Did TJ release the stats of admission by middle school?

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

Average GPA is higher than previous classes, but SOL scores are lower than ever. Hmmm...

GPA is pretty meaningless when there's so much grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every AAP center has 100 kids taking 3 or more honors classes with straight As in all of them.

You also cannot compare SOL scores directly because they are rescored.

Wonder if they’ll have to rescore the SATs too?

They've been rescoring the SATs every few years for a long time.

Scores today are on average about 200 points higher than 40 years ago. Look up what the median SAT was for Harvard in 1978.

It's not the same test at all, doesn't test the same things.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

Average GPA is higher than previous classes, but SOL scores are lower than ever. Hmmm...

GPA is pretty meaningless when there's so much grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every AAP center has 100 kids taking 3 or more honors classes with straight As in all of them.

You also cannot compare SOL scores directly because they are rescored.

Wonder if they’ll have to rescore the SATs too?

They've been rescoring the SATs every few years for a long time.

Scores today are on average about 200 points higher than 40 years ago. Look up what the median SAT was for Harvard in 1978.

It's not the same test at all, doesn't test the same things.

Sure, but a kid with 1500 today would typically score around 1300 back then at last that's what the statistics show.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

The sports analogy fails. It isn't relevant to public EDUCATION.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

The sports analogy fails. It isn't relevant to public EDUCATION.

Yes, we're talking about equal access to education programs that are paid for with public funds. But I would agree that schools have little business sponsoring sports teams aside from PE for all.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

Quality coaches are able to see past the big dollars that parents spend in order to make the average student appear athletic. And quality admissions officers should be able to see past the big dollars that parents spend to make their workaday students seem gifted. It's not that complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

The sports analogy fails. It isn't relevant to public EDUCATION.

Yes, we're talking about equal access to education programs that are paid for with public funds. But I would agree that schools have little business sponsoring sports teams aside from PE for all.

Why? A given student will learn far more about what it takes to be successful in life from participation on one sports team than they will from any class. Why, then, shouldn't the schools sponsor those educational opportunities when they benefit a tremendous number of students?

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

Quality coaches are able to see past the big dollars that parents spend in order to make the average student appear athletic. And quality admissions officers should be able to see past the big dollars that parents spend to make their workaday students seem gifted. It's not that complicated.

Thorough evaluation is needed in either case, not an essay about life experiences.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

The sports analogy fails. It isn't relevant to public EDUCATION.

Sports are one of the biggest hooks for college admissions. How can you say that they aren't relevant to public education?

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

The sports analogy fails. It isn't relevant to public EDUCATION.

Skin color matters in stem program, but not in sports?

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

Quality coaches are able to see past the big dollars that parents spend in order to make the average student appear athletic. And quality admissions officers should be able to see past the big dollars that parents spend to make their workaday students seem gifted. It's not that complicated.

Thorough evaluation is needed in either case, not an essay about life experiences.

This. It would be much easier to detect overly prepped mediocre kids with a comprehensive application that includes test scores, recommendations, grades + courses taken, significant achievements, and essays over one that just includes GPA and essays. All of those mediocre, but overly prepped kids are going to have tutors and 4.0 GPAs. They're also going to be trained in how to write TJ application type essays. If a kid has good grades and test scores, but no real achievements and very tepid teacher recommendations, you would then know that the kid is nothing special.

If nothing else, a baseline proficiency test should be part of the application. It serves no one's best interests to admit kids to TJ who are ill prepared and will likely wash out of the program. MS grades are grossly inflated and pretty meaningless. TJ should administer a pass/fail baseline test to weed out the kids who do not have the skills to succeed at TJ. Or at the very least, any kid who did not earn at least a 480+ on all of their 7th grade SOLs should be considered unqualified for TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

Quality coaches are able to see past the big dollars that parents spend in order to make the average student appear athletic. And quality admissions officers should be able to see past the big dollars that parents spend to make their workaday students seem gifted. It's not that complicated.

Thorough evaluation is needed in either case, not an essay about life experiences.

This. It would be much easier to detect overly prepped mediocre kids with a comprehensive application that includes test scores, recommendations, grades + courses taken, significant achievements, and essays over one that just includes GPA and essays. All of those mediocre, but overly prepped kids are going to have tutors and 4.0 GPAs. They're also going to be trained in how to write TJ application type essays. If a kid has good grades and test scores, but no real achievements and very tepid teacher recommendations, you would then know that the kid is nothing special.

If nothing else, a baseline proficiency test should be part of the application. It serves no one's best interests to admit kids to TJ who are ill prepared and will likely wash out of the program. MS grades are grossly inflated and pretty meaningless. TJ should administer a pass/fail baseline test to weed out the kids who do not have the skills to succeed at TJ. Or at the very least, any kid who did not earn at least a 480+ on all of their 7th grade SOLs should be considered unqualified for TJ.

These ideas are not unreasonable. Sadly teacher recs were eliminated because they've been shown to be racially biased.

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Anonymous wrote:Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Equity efforts should not take away opportunities from the high achieving kids but expand opportunities to include underrepresented. The problem is nothing they have ever thrown money has worked. Take young scholar program, not a single student from there is in the top 10% at any school they attend. But they magically belong at TJ. Not only high achieving kids must be deprived of their opportunity but TJ standard has been lowered to make under-qualified students survive there. But unqualified still drop out in freshman since no matter how much the standard has been lowered it is still a stretch for them to meet.

Just as parents spending big$$$ to make average students appear gifted shouldn't take away opportunities from high-achieving kids from lower-income schools either.

Parents are spending big$$$ on coaches, travel leagues, and air jordans to make their average student appear athletic and are taking away opportunities from other high-capable kids from entering sports teams on public high schools. But when it comes to spending tiny$ on math workbooks, they find it easier to let loons like you to sit front of keyboard posing as equity warriors.

The sports analogy fails. It isn't relevant to public EDUCATION.

Yes, we're talking about equal access to education programs that are paid for with public funds. But I would agree that schools have little business sponsoring sports teams aside from PE for all.

Why? A given student will learn far more about what it takes to be successful in life from participation on one sports team than they will from any class. Why, then, shouldn't the schools sponsor those educational opportunities when they benefit a tremendous number of students?

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