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DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Ah, but there's the rub. Losing elections is not something that most politicians consider a fair price for sticking to a position. And certainly not a position that the vast majority of so-called "pro-life" Republicans don't actually have any sincerely held belief about.

That is the price they are going to pay. Oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Roe was the balance. And it will be again. That is the majority position.

Yes. That is exactly my point. Most people neither want 6 week bans nor a total lack of any abortion-related law. Most people see Roe as a reasonable balance. But now it's gone, and neither party wants it back. The Rs want total bans or greater restrictions. And the Ds see Roe as needlessly repressive since it has guidelines for when abortions can occur.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Np- it’s hard to accept that you aren’t the majority. When you feel your take is so nuanced and balanced, it’s hard to accept that your aren’t the majority.

You're wrong. The majority don't support an all or nothing approach. Most people, like me, felt Roe was balanced and appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Np- it’s hard to accept that you aren’t the majority. When you feel your take is so nuanced and balanced, it’s hard to accept that your aren’t the majority.

You're wrong. The majority don't support an all or nothing approach. Most people, like me, felt Roe was balanced and appropriate.

The right destroyed Roe, not the left.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Roe was the balance. And it will be again. That is the majority position.

Yes. That is exactly my point. Most people neither want 6 week bans nor a total lack of any abortion-related law. Most people see Roe as a reasonable balance. But now it's gone, and neither party wants it back. The Rs want total bans or greater restrictions. And the Ds see Roe as needlessly repressive since it has guidelines for when abortions can occur.

This is very much a losing issue for republicans - as states like Kansas have shown. It's actually not a controversial issue at all. 16 weeks and then medical reasons. Pretty much everyone is on board with that.

Overturning Roe was like the proverbial dog finally catching the car. Now what? Republicans are dumbasses for rolling with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Np- it’s hard to accept that you aren’t the majority. When you feel your take is so nuanced and balanced, it’s hard to accept that your aren’t the majority.

You're wrong. The majority don't support an all or nothing approach. Most people, like me, felt Roe was balanced and appropriate.

Support for abortion has swung 6 points in the past year. That’s with a lazy distracted trump obsessed media. We’ll see who is the majority in another year.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Np- it’s hard to accept that you aren’t the majority. When you feel your take is so nuanced and balanced, it’s hard to accept that your aren’t the majority.

You're wrong. The majority don't support an all or nothing approach. Most people, like me, felt Roe was balanced and appropriate.

Support for abortion has swung 6 points in the past year. That’s with a lazy distracted trump obsessed media. We’ll see who is the majority in another year.

It is already pretty clear who is the majority.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Np- it’s hard to accept that you aren’t the majority. When you feel your take is so nuanced and balanced, it’s hard to accept that your aren’t the majority.

You're wrong. The majority don't support an all or nothing approach. Most people, like me, felt Roe was balanced and appropriate.

Support for abortion has swung 6 points in the past year. That’s with a lazy distracted trump obsessed media. We’ll see who is the majority in another year.

It is already pretty clear who is the majority.

Crystal.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Roe was the balance. And it will be again. That is the majority position.

Yes. That is exactly my point. Most people neither want 6 week bans nor a total lack of any abortion-related law. Most people see Roe as a reasonable balance. But now it's gone, and neither party wants it back. The Rs want total bans or greater restrictions. And the Ds see Roe as needlessly repressive since it has guidelines for when abortions can occur.

This is very much a losing issue for republicans - as states like Kansas have shown. It's actually not a controversial issue at all. 16 weeks and then medical reasons. Pretty much everyone is on board with that.

Overturning Roe was like the proverbial dog finally catching the car. Now what? Republicans are dumbasses for rolling with this.

Here’s KellyAnne AlternativeFacts with some ideas about that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/24/abortion-politics-2024-campaign-republican-message/

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Roe was the balance. And it will be again. That is the majority position.

Yes. That is exactly my point. Most people neither want 6 week bans nor a total lack of any abortion-related law. Most people see Roe as a reasonable balance. But now it's gone, and neither party wants it back. The Rs want total bans or greater restrictions. And the Ds see Roe as needlessly repressive since it has guidelines for when abortions can occur.

This is very much a losing issue for republicans - as states like Kansas have shown. It's actually not a controversial issue at all. 16 weeks and then medical reasons. Pretty much everyone is on board with that.

Overturning Roe was like the proverbial dog finally catching the car. Now what? Republicans are dumbasses for rolling with this.

Here’s KellyAnne AlternativeFacts with some ideas about that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/24/abortion-politics-2024-campaign-republican-message/

So clueless. Follow that advice GOP. That will be great for the Dems.

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DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Roe was the balance. And it will be again. That is the majority position.

Yes. That is exactly my point. Most people neither want 6 week bans nor a total lack of any abortion-related law. Most people see Roe as a reasonable balance. But now it's gone, and neither party wants it back. The Rs want total bans or greater restrictions. And the Ds see Roe as needlessly repressive since it has guidelines for when abortions can occur.

This is very much a losing issue for republicans - as states like Kansas have shown. It's actually not a controversial issue at all. 16 weeks and then medical reasons. Pretty much everyone is on board with that.

Overturning Roe was like the proverbial dog finally catching the car. Now what? Republicans are dumbasses for rolling with this.

Here’s KellyAnne AlternativeFacts with some ideas about that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/24/abortion-politics-2024-campaign-republican-message/

So clueless. Follow that advice GOP. That will be great for the Dems.

No she’s right. If they loudly and shamelessly lie lie lie lie, and keep repeating their lies, it will help them. As long as they are lying, unrepentantly, they are winning. They have an impenetrable echo chamber that won’t correct it. She’s right .

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Roe was the balance. And it will be again. That is the majority position.

Yes. That is exactly my point. Most people neither want 6 week bans nor a total lack of any abortion-related law. Most people see Roe as a reasonable balance. But now it's gone, and neither party wants it back. The Rs want total bans or greater restrictions. And the Ds see Roe as needlessly repressive since it has guidelines for when abortions can occur.

This is very much a losing issue for republicans - as states like Kansas have shown. It's actually not a controversial issue at all. 16 weeks and then medical reasons. Pretty much everyone is on board with that.

Overturning Roe was like the proverbial dog finally catching the car. Now what? Republicans are dumbasses for rolling with this.

Here’s KellyAnne AlternativeFacts with some ideas about that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/24/abortion-politics-2024-campaign-republican-message/

So clueless. Follow that advice GOP. That will be great for the Dems.

No she’s right. If they loudly and shamelessly lie lie lie lie, and keep repeating their lies, it will help them. As long as they are lying, unrepentantly, they are winning. They have an impenetrable echo chamber that won’t correct it. She’s right .

Really can't see how that gets them any votes beyond the lie loving supporters they already have. IMO, that strategy will not get them any additional votes and they will lose.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Roe was the balance. And it will be again. That is the majority position.

Yes. That is exactly my point. Most people neither want 6 week bans nor a total lack of any abortion-related law. Most people see Roe as a reasonable balance. But now it's gone, and neither party wants it back. The Rs want total bans or greater restrictions. And the Ds see Roe as needlessly repressive since it has guidelines for when abortions can occur.

This is very much a losing issue for republicans - as states like Kansas have shown. It's actually not a controversial issue at all. 16 weeks and then medical reasons. Pretty much everyone is on board with that.

Overturning Roe was like the proverbial dog finally catching the car. Now what? Republicans are dumbasses for rolling with this.

Here’s KellyAnne AlternativeFacts with some ideas about that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/24/abortion-politics-2024-campaign-republican-message/

So clueless. Follow that advice GOP. That will be great for the Dems.

No she’s right. If they loudly and shamelessly lie lie lie lie, and keep repeating their lies, it will help them. As long as they are lying, unrepentantly, they are winning. They have an impenetrable echo chamber that won’t correct it. She’s right .

Really can't see how that gets them any votes beyond the lie loving supporters they already have. IMO, that strategy will not get them any additional votes and they will lose.

I hope you are right.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Np- it’s hard to accept that you aren’t the majority. When you feel your take is so nuanced and balanced, it’s hard to accept that your aren’t the majority.

You're wrong. The majority don't support an all or nothing approach. Most people, like me, felt Roe was balanced and appropriate.

What was the balance? There is a general misconception about Roe. Many of its holdings about restrictions were overruled almost immediately by Doe v Bolton.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime, crime, crime......

DC suburbanites are shaking in their boots whenever they have to do a minor errand in DC with carjackings and auto theft up 100+% YoY.

Lol no we’re not.

And we really don’t trust people who lie and try to tell the world we live in a scary hellscape.

The right is repelling independent voters with the desperate, intentionally misleading scare tactics that feel like a con. Voters do not want to be played for fools.

Both the right and the left are repelling independent voters. I’m tired of the rhetoric and vitriol coming from both sides. I’m an independent suburban woman and I’m appalled and pissed that I may find myself in a voting booth faced with choosing either Biden or Trump. Sh!t, if No Labels runs Larry Hogan I might vote for him just from the purely selfish perspective of making an affirmative choice rather holding my nose and picking the lesser of 2 evils.

On the issue of abortion specifically, the right has lost the independent voters. Honestly I think some of it is was that they didn’t expect Roe to fall, and they didn’t expect to have to actually answer the question “so that ten year old you tried to force to give birth to her rapists baby”. In their defense I think they drank their own kool aid and believed it wasn’t a thing, so didn’t prepare.

That does not make sense. If they did not want Roe to fall, they would not have taken the actions they took. They would pivot to a pro-choice position so they could be more competitive in elections. They got what they wanted and if that results in loss of elections, so be it.

Politically, it makes perfect sense, and is in fact exactly what happened.

Roe/"Pro-life" was an amazing political tool. You could foster loyalty and raise all kinds of money by talking about how incredibly "pro-life" you would be if only evil, slutty baby killing women and their feminized men would let you. But you couldn't because of Roe. I'm not sure Republicans writ large thought the Supreme Court would actually go through with it and reverse Roe. It sure seems like they were caught flat-footed because they definitely didn't have anything in place to counteract what happened.

Heck, even Donald Trump knows this is a losing issue. He's gone from saying women should be punished for having an abortion to calling it a losing issue.

I'd agree that Roe falling has been politically difficult for conservatives, but I've also listened to commentary that it's a fair price to pay for saving lives. It really depends how you see it. If you see Roe as protecting women, it's a travesty. If you see Roe killing babies, it's massive victory. If you see both as interests that need to be balanced, you're among the ignored and reviled majority.

Roe was the balance. And it will be again. That is the majority position.

Yes. That is exactly my point. Most people neither want 6 week bans nor a total lack of any abortion-related law. Most people see Roe as a reasonable balance. But now it's gone, and neither party wants it back. The Rs want total bans or greater restrictions. And the Ds see Roe as needlessly repressive since it has guidelines for when abortions can occur.

Not to mention that we should not take judicial decisions like this as law on important cases. It needed to be codified post Roe. Legislators dropped the ball long ago. Legislating from the bench is more ephemeral.

I agree neither side wants things to change because it gives them rallying points.