Mary Cheh wants to make it legal for bicyclists for blow stop signs and stop lights

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Anonymous wrote:"You’re honestly a weird person to believe that pointing out that bicyclists should obey the law and not put pedestrians at risk is “bad faith”."

Question: if you believe that cyclists should follow the law, why not change the law to make it easier for them to follow it?

Yeah the way to get rid of crime is to decriminalize everything criminals like to do.

So once a law is enacted, it is infallible and removing that law simply encourages criminal behavior no matter if new information or ideas show the law was bad in the first place?

Do you also resent the black "criminals" sitting at the front of the bus and drinking from your water fountain?

You are doing great work dispelling the notion that cyclists are entitled, white, a-holes in spandex.

Keep up the good work!

Once again, you have no substantive responses, only more irrational half-baked retorts to some imaginary poster in your head that have nothing to do with what people are actually posting. Pitiful.

^^^ This guy thinks requiring cyclists to obey traffic laws is equivalent to Jim Crow. Incredible. Just cannot make this up.

"We believed one thing (black people are inferior) which led us to make this law. We now know that is wrong, therefore the law is wrong and should be repealed."

"We believed one thing (cyclists doing an Idaho stop is less safe than a full stop) which led us to make this law. We now know that is wrong, therefore the law is wrong and should be repealed."

What exactly here isn't equivalent?

Shut up, Gordon. You're not helping anything. Just stop. You materially make things worse.

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Idaho stop = no stop = anarchy in intersections.

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^^^ This guy thinks requiring cyclists to obey traffic laws is equivalent to Jim Crow. Incredible. Just cannot make this up.

Only a complete idiot would think laws should require operators of 25 lb bicycles to conform to the same laws as operators of 2 ton murder machines.

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^^^ This guy thinks requiring cyclists to obey traffic laws is equivalent to Jim Crow. Incredible. Just cannot make this up.

Only a complete idiot would think laws should require operators of 25 lb bicycles to conform to the same laws as operators of 2 ton murder machines.

Why would anyone in their right mind operate a 25 lb. bicycle right in the middle of a bunch of 2 ton murder machines? Wouldn't that person be more of a complete idiot if that's even posstible?

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Because we pay taxes and the streets are public space. It requires a license to operate a car - a privilege, not a right, unlike walking or biking, which are rights, not privelige.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we pay taxes and the streets are public space. It requires a license to operate a car - a privilege, not a right, unlike walking or biking, which are rights, not privelige.

^^^This guy doesn’t know what taxes pay for roads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"You’re honestly a weird person to believe that pointing out that bicyclists should obey the law and not put pedestrians at risk is “bad faith”."

Question: if you believe that cyclists should follow the law, why not change the law to make it easier for them to follow it?

Yeah the way to get rid of crime is to decriminalize everything criminals like to do.

So once a law is enacted, it is infallible and removing that law simply encourages criminal behavior no matter if new information or ideas show the law was bad in the first place?

Do you also resent the black "criminals" sitting at the front of the bus and drinking from your water fountain?

You are doing great work dispelling the notion that cyclists are entitled, white, a-holes in spandex.

Keep up the good work!

Once again, you have no substantive responses, only more irrational half-baked retorts to some imaginary poster in your head that have nothing to do with what people are actually posting. Pitiful.

^^^ This guy thinks requiring cyclists to obey traffic laws is equivalent to Jim Crow. Incredible. Just cannot make this up.

"We believed one thing (black people are inferior) which led us to make this law. We now know that is wrong, therefore the law is wrong and should be repealed."

"We believed one thing (cyclists doing an Idaho stop is less safe than a full stop) which led us to make this law. We now know that is wrong, therefore the law is wrong and should be repealed."

What exactly here isn't equivalent?

Exactly. Totally the same thing.

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^^^This guy doesn’t know what taxes pay for roads.

You don't really believe that only personal car owners pay for road taxes, do you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't that person be more of a complete idiot if that's even posstible?

Because it's their right to

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because we pay taxes and the streets are public space. It requires a license to operate a car - a privilege, not a right, unlike walking or biking, which are rights, not privelige.

Biking is a right? Who knew.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we pay taxes and the streets are public space. It requires a license to operate a car - a privilege, not a right, unlike walking or biking, which are rights, not privelige.

Biking is a right? Who knew.

Who knew bikers paid gas tax that pays for the roads?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we pay taxes and the streets are public space. It requires a license to operate a car - a privilege, not a right, unlike walking or biking, which are rights, not privelige.

Biking is a right? Who knew.

Who knew bikers paid gas tax that pays for the roads?

Gas tax doesn't really pay for roads. It pays for about half of road construction and maintenance, but it mostly goes to multi-lane limited access roads, which cyclists are banned from. The neighborhood streets that cyclists use are paid for by local taxes, mostly property and sales taxes. Which cyclists pay just like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we pay taxes and the streets are public space. It requires a license to operate a car - a privilege, not a right, unlike walking or biking, which are rights, not privelige.

Biking is a right? Who knew.

Who knew bikers paid gas tax that pays for the roads?

Gas tax doesn't really pay for roads. It pays for about half of road construction and maintenance, but it mostly goes to multi-lane limited access roads, which cyclists are banned from. The neighborhood streets that cyclists use are paid for by local taxes, mostly property and sales taxes. Which cyclists pay just like everyone else.

You have it sort of right - the Federal Gas tax covers about 40% of Federal spending on roads.

Local gas taxes (and other fees on drivers) cover an ever lower percentages - I think I read somewhere that nationally the average is like 25%. In a city like DC that doesn't collect a lot of gas taxes I'd bet it is under 10%.

So in fact everyone pays for roads. In a city like DC where a lot of people don't even own cars non-drivers in fact heavily subsidize drivers, particularly suburban drivers who contribute nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we pay taxes and the streets are public space. It requires a license to operate a car - a privilege, not a right, unlike walking or biking, which are rights, not privelige.

Biking is a right? Who knew.

Who knew bikers paid gas tax that pays for the roads?

Gas tax doesn't really pay for roads. It pays for about half of road construction and maintenance, but it mostly goes to multi-lane limited access roads, which cyclists are banned from. The neighborhood streets that cyclists use are paid for by local taxes, mostly property and sales taxes. Which cyclists pay just like everyone else.

You have it sort of right - the Federal Gas tax covers about 40% of Federal spending on roads.

Local gas taxes (and other fees on drivers) cover an ever lower percentages - I think I read somewhere that nationally the average is like 25%. In a city like DC that doesn't collect a lot of gas taxes I'd bet it is under 10%.

So in fact everyone pays for roads. In a city like DC where a lot of people don't even own cars non-drivers in fact heavily subsidize drivers, particularly suburban drivers who contribute nothing.

Must be nice to just make numbers up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we pay taxes and the streets are public space. It requires a license to operate a car - a privilege, not a right, unlike walking or biking, which are rights, not privelige.

Biking is a right? Who knew.

Who knew bikers paid gas tax that pays for the roads?

Gas tax doesn't really pay for roads. It pays for about half of road construction and maintenance, but it mostly goes to multi-lane limited access roads, which cyclists are banned from. The neighborhood streets that cyclists use are paid for by local taxes, mostly property and sales taxes. Which cyclists pay just like everyone else.

You have it sort of right - the Federal Gas tax covers about 40% of Federal spending on roads.

Local gas taxes (and other fees on drivers) cover an ever lower percentages - I think I read somewhere that nationally the average is like 25%. In a city like DC that doesn't collect a lot of gas taxes I'd bet it is under 10%.

So in fact everyone pays for roads. In a city like DC where a lot of people don't even own cars non-drivers in fact heavily subsidize drivers, particularly suburban drivers who contribute nothing.

Must be nice to just make numbers up.

You are right - my numbers on the Federal gas tax are off but not by that much:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2021/06/11/infrastructure-bill-gas-tax-faq/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-federal-gas-tax-doesnt-bring-in-enough-money-for-highways-heres-a-way-to-change-how-we-pay-for-it-11605731623

But those numbers are before the Infrastructure bill that passed last year and included massive amounts of Federal money going into roads projects and no new gas taxes to pay for them so incorporating those monies into the equation I almost certainly overestimated the share of expenditures covered by monies raised by gas taxes.

As for DC in the FY that just ended the city collected just under 27 million in gas tax revenue:

https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/May%202021%20Revised%20Revenue%20Estimates%20for%20FY%202022%20-%202025_0.pdf

And spent almost 600 million just on road repaving.