FCPS CRT or nah?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they hadn't dinged the military, it most likely never would have been reported by the left news sources.

“Dinged”?

How is saying that being in the military is a privilege “dinging” the military?

It’s not a negative.

Discussions of privilege never seem to mention any positives.

Some people think that being in the military gives you an advantage in life. That may or may not be correct, but it’s not a “ding”.

Think of it as being in a good/lucky position.

Lucky to have your parent away for months or years at a time, missing special events, holidays, and seeing a child grow?
Sure. Uh-huh.

So maybe many (most?) people wouldn’t consider it being advantageous but the person who put it on that chart thought it was. It wasn’t a “ding”.

The person who created this is an idiot. Did it come from Instructional Services or created by a teacher?
This is just ludicrous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop it now

That’s the Federalist omg propaganda galore

CRT not taught in one classroom in America Youngkin lied you fell for it now you get crappy privatized schools oh and he wants coal back as an energy source.
You all are idiots and the heritage foundation now in charge of … again VA is headed to a very dark place

Jobs taxes you all are hosed

We’ve seen the slide. They didn’t make that up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they hadn't dinged the military, it most likely never would have been reported by the left news sources.

“Dinged”?

How is saying that being in the military is a privilege “dinging” the military?

It’s not a negative.

Discussions of privilege never seem to mention any positives.

Some people think that being in the military gives you an advantage in life. That may or may not be correct, but it’s not a “ding”.

Think of it as being in a good/lucky position.

If they meant lucky or blessed then the activity would have said lucky or blessed.

But it said "privileged" which has become a pejorative slur that is synonymous with entitled and undeserving, particularly in public education.

One of DCUM’s favorite line is “Check your privilege!” So clearly slur.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they hadn't dinged the military, it most likely never would have been reported by the left news sources.

“Dinged”?

How is saying that being in the military is a privilege “dinging” the military?

It’s not a negative.

Discussions of privilege never seem to mention any positives.

Some people think that being in the military gives you an advantage in life. That may or may not be correct, but it’s not a “ding”.

Think of it as being in a good/lucky position.

If they meant lucky or blessed then the activity would have said lucky or blessed.

But it said "privileged" which has become a pejorative slur that is synonymous with entitled and undeserving, particularly in public education.

No, it says “Identifying Your Privilege” which isn’t describing a person as much as it’s describing their situation/environment. Things beyond your control.

It’s a poor choice of language because it can be misconstrued.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tyson graduated from Dartmouth? Privilege!!!!!

So, who is the "author" that Tyson referred to in his response?

Where is Tyson's response?

I’ve never heard of this person until this thread. I would like to hear his response, since he approved this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop it now

That’s the Federalist omg propaganda galore

CRT not taught in one classroom in America Youngkin lied you fell for it now you get crappy privatized schools oh and he wants coal back as an energy source.
You all are idiots and the heritage foundation now in charge of … again VA is headed to a very dark place

Jobs taxes you all are hosed

As the saying goes, "The lady protests too much methinks."
Not one classroom, huh? And, you know this..... how?

[Anonymous]

This is teaching CRT but not calling it CRT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they hadn't dinged the military, it most likely never would have been reported by the left news sources.

“Dinged”?

How is saying that being in the military is a privilege “dinging” the military?

It’s not a negative.

Discussions of privilege never seem to mention any positives.

Some people think that being in the military gives you an advantage in life. That may or may not be correct, but it’s not a “ding”.

Think of it as being in a good/lucky position.

There could be positives for those who served, but the undeserved advantages for their children seem far more nebulous outside of USAA membership.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tyson graduated from Dartmouth? Privilege!!!!!

So, who is the "author" that Tyson referred to in his response?

Where is Tyson's response?

I’ve never heard of this person until this thread. I would like to hear his response, since he approved this.

If it is Doug Tyson... he really is an idiot.
I would like to see his statement too.
Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if he, himself created it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tyson graduated from Dartmouth? Privilege!!!!!

So, who is the "author" that Tyson referred to in his response?

Where is Tyson's response?

I’ve never heard of this person until this thread. I would like to hear his response, since he approved this.

If it is Doug Tyson... he really is an idiot.
I would like to see his statement too.
Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if he, himself created it.

This guy?

https://www.fcps.edu/staff/douglas-tyson

[Anonymous]

So are Asians considered privileged or not? Because they keep getting screwed by FCPS, but are not the right type of POC. I’m not Asian, BTW.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they hadn't dinged the military, it most likely never would have been reported by the left news sources.

“Dinged”?

How is saying that being in the military is a privilege “dinging” the military?

It’s not a negative.

Discussions of privilege never seem to mention any positives.

Some people think that being in the military gives you an advantage in life. That may or may not be correct, but it’s not a “ding”.

Think of it as being in a good/lucky position.

If they meant lucky or blessed then the activity would have said lucky or blessed.

But it said "privileged" which has become a pejorative slur that is synonymous with entitled and undeserving, particularly in public education.

No, it says “Identifying Your Privilege” which isn’t describing a person as much as it’s describing their situation/environment. Things beyond your control.

It’s a poor choice of language because it can be misconstrued.

Nice try but you are really stretching to find an excuse for fcps.

They meant what they wrote. Look at the other words on that list. White. Male. Christian.

This was a slur by someone like the acronym poster who is resentful towards the military.

That person should not be allowed to design curriculum, nor should anyone at Gatehouse who approved this lesson.

Military issue aside, this fcps document also disparaged the Christian faith. No public school should disparage anyone's religion, and certainly not in a lesson plan.

Nor should they disparage a student's race.

[Anonymous]

While I'm sure that the people designing this had noble intentions, I think this is a poor way to construct the lesson (obviously, absent context. It's possible this slide was followed by a very nuanced discussion, but I'm guessing, for the purposes of this response anyways, that it wasn't.)

I think just about everyone on here agrees that in general, teaching kids that some of them may be more fortunate than others, or that some may face obstacles that others don't - that's a fine lesson.

I think that simply throwing out these labels and dividing people into 'privileged' and 'not privileged' camps isn't super helpful. Some have pointed out that the intent behind this is basically to teach the same as the above, but there's clearly a large segment of the population that isn't getting that message from this - even if you think they're wrong to take it that way, is a message getting successfully communicated if the recipients of the message instead feel like they're being labeled as a public enemy for things they can't change? If it causes the 'privileged' to feel defensive instead of empathetic, how is that helpful?

What's missing here is nuance in the discussion. Saying 'white people have it easier' isn't as helpful, for example, as sharing things like unconscious bias and statistics on disparities of how harsh prison sentences are, for example.

Anonymous wrote:Moreover, why do they single out Christians as a privilege? How many privileged Christians are on the FCPS School Board? And, what percentage do they represent?

This is a great example. There is such a thing as Christian privilege, but I'd argue that it's not simple things like people saying 'merry christmas' or the school system giving kids a break over Christmas or the fact that nothing is open on Sunday morning. Where we see Christian privilege in our society is where Christians can get passes or breaks, especially in the legal system, for being a Christian or holding Christian views. For example,
-Parole boards look more favorably at someone who has 'found jesus' in prison than someone who hasn't.
-Judges might make attendance at Christian religious programs a requirement for parole (like AA) and not allow alternative programs
-Christians often get legal rulings allowing them to 'opt out'/disregard laws they don't like (Little Sisters of the Poor, Hobby Lobby, everyone trying to opt out of covid vaccination, Bladensburg Cross) but other religions often cannot get courts to allow them to opt out of laws they don't like under the same statutes (TST members cannot opt out of pressure tactics around abortion
-Inmates scheduled for execution are told that they can only have a Christian priest there for their last rites.
-Towns/School boards will allow Christian proselytizing in government/school forums up until another religion asks for equal treatment, then the others are shut out. You see this a lot of time with invocations, handing out bibles in school, prayer at school, etc.
-Chrstians may be allowed to wear tokens of their faith (ie, cross necklace) but dress codes may expressly prohibit visual tokens of other faiths (ie, hijabs).

Instead of just saying 'Christians are privileged' I think it's important to explain exactly what that looks like, so that people understand the types of issues we have in our society, and have a better idea of how they might fix these things.

[Anonymous]

It still is amazing to me….. I made $98 a month as a draftee during the Viet Nam era, as a commissioned officer, and Second Lieutenant, with a college degree in 1970, I made $326 a month… that is greatly improved, but with inflation, not significantly. And when sent to Bosnia, Kosovo, Korea, Afghanistan et al, the birthdays, soccer games, family funerals and for some, births etc i or we missed. And having a child whose parent was in some strange country, struggling to live an and return to a family, never knowing when the phone would ring, or an uniformed officer ate door to inform you your father, mother or spouse would be coming home to Andrews’s Air Force Base in a casket….. And waiting with anxiety to see a child you had not seen in months, hoping they would be there for you on your return, remembering you, ad knowing you may leave again in the middle of the night. And the spouse who dealt with manning a house hold, broken appliance, cars , bills, children….. And this a “Privileged part of America?” No, it is a “duty, honor and country” part of our society, standing up, as directed by any Commander in Chief, regardless of party, and personal beliefs, to do the will of the Nation. Are so many in the FCPS clueless or just plain idiots about their own nation. They should not only be chastised, but removed for the good of our society and American life. Top to bottom, everyone who participated in the approval of this class curriculum. Speak up America. It’s about you life and Nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While I'm sure that the people designing this had noble intentions, I think this is a poor way to construct the lesson (obviously, absent context. It's possible this slide was followed by a very nuanced discussion, but I'm guessing, for the purposes of this response anyways, that it wasn't.)

I think just about everyone on here agrees that in general, teaching kids that some of them may be more fortunate than others, or that some may face obstacles that others don't - that's a fine lesson.

I think that simply throwing out these labels and dividing people into 'privileged' and 'not privileged' camps isn't super helpful. Some have pointed out that the intent behind this is basically to teach the same as the above, but there's clearly a large segment of the population that isn't getting that message from this - even if you think they're wrong to take it that way, is a message getting successfully communicated if the recipients of the message instead feel like they're being labeled as a public enemy for things they can't change? If it causes the 'privileged' to feel defensive instead of empathetic, how is that helpful?

What's missing here is nuance in the discussion. Saying 'white people have it easier' isn't as helpful, for example, as sharing things like unconscious bias and statistics on disparities of how harsh prison sentences are, for example.

Anonymous wrote:Moreover, why do they single out Christians as a privilege? How many privileged Christians are on the FCPS School Board? And, what percentage do they represent?

This is a great example. There is such a thing as Christian privilege, but I'd argue that it's not simple things like people saying 'merry christmas' or the school system giving kids a break over Christmas or the fact that nothing is open on Sunday morning. Where we see Christian privilege in our society is where Christians can get passes or breaks, especially in the legal system, for being a Christian or holding Christian views. For example,
-Parole boards look more favorably at someone who has 'found jesus' in prison than someone who hasn't.
-Judges might make attendance at Christian religious programs a requirement for parole (like AA) and not allow alternative programs
-Christians often get legal rulings allowing them to 'opt out'/disregard laws they don't like (Little Sisters of the Poor, Hobby Lobby, everyone trying to opt out of covid vaccination, Bladensburg Cross) but other religions often cannot get courts to allow them to opt out of laws they don't like under the same statutes (TST members cannot opt out of pressure tactics around abortion
-Inmates scheduled for execution are told that they can only have a Christian priest there for their last rites.
-Towns/School boards will allow Christian proselytizing in government/school forums up until another religion asks for equal treatment, then the others are shut out. You see this a lot of time with invocations, handing out bibles in school, prayer at school, etc.
-Chrstians may be allowed to wear tokens of their faith (ie, cross necklace) but dress codes may expressly prohibit visual tokens of other faiths (ie, hijabs).

Instead of just saying 'Christians are privileged' I think it's important to explain exactly what that looks like, so that people understand the types of issues we have in our society, and have a better idea of how they might fix these things.

You have a lot of incorrect information in your post.