I should have kept my kid at Wilson; college admits are much better than the Big3

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody at these top colleges gets the same degree whether you purportedly struggled through or breezed through with all A’s. Seems to me the kids at Wilson get the best deal and the Big 3 parents resent it.

Is there a metric somewhere that tracks the long term success of Big 3 vs. Wilson or similar public high school? Not really interested in who is better at writing term papers but post college real world stats.


You know what happens to be the bottom of the senior class at Ivies if you're not loaded and connected? Unemployment or underemployment. It's not like getting into an Ivy makes you a shoo-in for a six-figure job or medical school. If you crash and burn at at a prestige college it is deeply embarrassing when you go onto work a regular job. Everyone knows you crashed and burned.


Nope, nobody ends up unemployed or underemployed unless they don't want to work. There are tons of companies coming on campus and everyone who wants a job gets a job. Of course, not everyone ends up at GS and not everyone wants to work in IB. I graduated in 2005 and the lowest salary offered at that time was 85K, which is around 121K in today's money. What do you mean by "crash and burn"? It's not like we compared grades or cared and most employers didn't ask for grades.
In my experience, the students who are most likely to drop out are the rich and famous, as they have less incentives to graduate. The Wilson kids worked their b*tts off to get in and they will make the best of their opportunity.
You have a very limited mindset too, as sometimes getting a lower paid entry job turns into something much bigger. My friend stayed after graduation and worked in the admission office at my Ivy for around 3 years. She was paid decent money, but nothing like IB. Guess who's making $$$$$ now consulting and having an amazing work/life balance?
It's so sad and disturbing that you want these kids to fail. They will not fail. They will do well in college, get great jobs, go to good grad schools. The network is amazing and we take care of each other. I got a job through an alumnus when I was 7 months pregnant. I helped a young kid get his first job and now he's an incredibly successful energy trader. My husband never had to truly interview for any jobs and he's a VP at a huge biomed. For the kids who have to work after graduation, the network is invaluable. The rest don't care, as they already know everyone from Andover and will work in arts or at NPR, Clinton Foundation, the Nature Conservancy etc.


lol and I will never look at a VP the same way I used to (as a worker bee in biotech who had to climb up with no real connections) again

https://www.etsy.com/listing/760672318/carry-yourself-with-the-confidence-of-a?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=mediocre+white+man&ref=sc_gallery-1-6&frs=1&bes=1&sts=1&listing_id=760672318&listing_slug=carry-yourself-with-the-confidence-of-a&plkey=c661523a0dde2d931d25967aa8af5a2bbfe3ea00%3A760672318

“VP” is one of the most meaningless job titles that exist. “MD” and “EVP” are real leadership positions. In a lot of organizations there are 27 year old kids running around with “VP” titles. Most people, particularly in financial services, don’t respect a “VP” job title.
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Isn't Wilson approx. 2,000 students? Focusing on the top 10 or so seniors out of 500 i.e. top 1% is misleading -- and also, quite presumptuous to assume your kid would be a top 1% senior. And obsessing over which college they end up at misses the mark. Look up the top graduates from five to eight years ago and see what they majored in, if they graduated college on time, with or without honors, and where they're working or if they ended up at medical or law school.
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Anonymous wrote:Everybody at these top colleges gets the same degree whether you purportedly struggled through or breezed through with all A’s. Seems to me the kids at Wilson get the best deal and the Big 3 parents resent it.

Is there a metric somewhere that tracks the long term success of Big 3 vs. Wilson or similar public high school? Not really interested in who is better at writing term papers but post college real world stats.


You know what happens to be the bottom of the senior class at Ivies if you're not loaded and connected? Unemployment or underemployment. It's not like getting into an Ivy makes you a shoo-in for a six-figure job or medical school. If you crash and burn at at a prestige college it is deeply embarrassing when you go onto work a regular job. Everyone knows you crashed and burned.


Nope, nobody ends up unemployed or underemployed unless they don't want to work. There are tons of companies coming on campus and everyone who wants a job gets a job. Of course, not everyone ends up at GS and not everyone wants to work in IB. I graduated in 2005 and the lowest salary offered at that time was 85K, which is around 121K in today's money. What do you mean by "crash and burn"? It's not like we compared grades or cared and most employers didn't ask for grades.
In my experience, the students who are most likely to drop out are the rich and famous, as they have less incentives to graduate. The Wilson kids worked their b*tts off to get in and they will make the best of their opportunity.
You have a very limited mindset too, as sometimes getting a lower paid entry job turns into something much bigger. My friend stayed after graduation and worked in the admission office at my Ivy for around 3 years. She was paid decent money, but nothing like IB. Guess who's making $$$$$ now consulting and having an amazing work/life balance?
It's so sad and disturbing that you want these kids to fail. They will not fail. They will do well in college, get great jobs, go to good grad schools. The network is amazing and we take care of each other. I got a job through an alumnus when I was 7 months pregnant. I helped a young kid get his first job and now he's an incredibly successful energy trader. My husband never had to truly interview for any jobs and he's a VP at a huge biomed. For the kids who have to work after graduation, the network is invaluable. The rest don't care, as they already know everyone from Andover and will work in arts or at NPR, Clinton Foundation, the Nature Conservancy etc.


lol and I will never look at a VP the same way I used to (as a worker bee in biotech who had to climb up with no real connections) again

https://www.etsy.com/listing/760672318/carry-yourself-with-the-confidence-of-a?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=mediocre+white+man&ref=sc_gallery-1-6&frs=1&bes=1&sts=1&listing_id=760672318&listing_slug=carry-yourself-with-the-confidence-of-a&plkey=c661523a0dde2d931d25967aa8af5a2bbfe3ea00%3A760672318

“VP” is one of the most meaningless job titles that exist. “MD” and “EVP” are real leadership positions. In a lot of organizations there are 27 year old kids running around with “VP” titles. Most people, particularly in financial services, don’t respect a “VP” job title.


You are absolutely ridiculous. Good for the 27 y/o who are VPs, they are smart and driven. Respect? Do you think they care if you, a 50 something middle age guy left in the dust and seething here, respects them? They are not insecure and don't seek your approval. You should work on your self-esteem first if you are so desperate to gain respect from others and bash a bunch of 23 year old kids who make serious money. If you compare financial services and biomed, it tells me that you know nothing. I was in IB and VP is a big deal, with a compensation of around 600K for the first year; the competition is fierce to get from analyst to VP. It's not the same as the guy you met at Bank of America while you shop around for your car loan.
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Anonymous wrote:Isn't Wilson approx. 2,000 students? Focusing on the top 10 or so seniors out of 500 i.e. top 1% is misleading -- and also, quite presumptuous to assume your kid would be a top 1% senior. And obsessing over which college they end up at misses the mark. Look up the top graduates from five to eight years ago and see what they majored in, if they graduated college on time, with or without honors, and where they're working or if they ended up at medical or law school.


But lots of students from Wilson aren’t planning on college at all. And even fewer are aiming for the ivies which don’t give merit scholarships—I know kids who turned down ivies for full rides at other great SLACs or HBCs, or just applied to those exclusively. You can’t claim the comparison should be all-of-Wilson vs. all-of-GDS because that’s really apples to oranges.

Also the info on what they’re doing now isn’t collected anywhere as far as I know. Maybe somebody at NCS or Sidwell keeps track of the recent alumnae who bother to check in, but even that’s going to be incomplete. The only reason our K-6 knew where DC got into college was because we answered an email, but not everybody does.
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Anonymous wrote:Isn't Wilson approx. 2,000 students? Focusing on the top 10 or so seniors out of 500 i.e. top 1% is misleading -- and also, quite presumptuous to assume your kid would be a top 1% senior. And obsessing over which college they end up at misses the mark. Look up the top graduates from five to eight years ago and see what they majored in, if they graduated college on time, with or without honors, and where they're working or if they ended up at medical or law school.


But lots of students from Wilson aren’t planning on college at all. And even fewer are aiming for the ivies which don’t give merit scholarships—I know kids who turned down ivies for full rides at other great SLACs or HBCs, or just applied to those exclusively. You can’t claim the comparison should be all-of-Wilson vs. all-of-GDS because that’s really apples to oranges.

Also the info on what they’re doing now isn’t collected anywhere as far as I know. Maybe somebody at NCS or Sidwell keeps track of the recent alumnae who bother to check in, but even that’s going to be incomplete. The only reason our K-6 knew where DC got into college was because we answered an email, but not everybody does.

Some real bizarre reasoning here about comparisons. So what is a reasonable comparison to you? The whole 125 member GDS senior class with the top 125 students at Wilson? Or all of the college bound Wilson seniors?

What about the kids who start Wilson with their hearts set on Ivies but fall short? How should they be identified or compared?
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Anonymous wrote:Isn't Wilson approx. 2,000 students? Focusing on the top 10 or so seniors out of 500 i.e. top 1% is misleading -- and also, quite presumptuous to assume your kid would be a top 1% senior. And obsessing over which college they end up at misses the mark. Look up the top graduates from five to eight years ago and see what they majored in, if they graduated college on time, with or without honors, and where they're working or if they ended up at medical or law school.


But lots of students from Wilson aren’t planning on college at all. And even fewer are aiming for the ivies which don’t give merit scholarships—I know kids who turned down ivies for full rides at other great SLACs or HBCs, or just applied to those exclusively. You can’t claim the comparison should be all-of-Wilson vs. all-of-GDS because that’s really apples to oranges.

Also the info on what they’re doing now isn’t collected anywhere as far as I know. Maybe somebody at NCS or Sidwell keeps track of the recent alumnae who bother to check in, but even that’s going to be incomplete. The only reason our K-6 knew where DC got into college was because we answered an email, but not everybody does.


LinkedIn.
Anonymous
My public high school back in the 90s published a top 25 senior list every summer with graduating GPA, ECs, college destination and hopeful area of study in a mailer that was sent to everyone's house. Unsure if Wilson has ever compiled anything similar. But a list like that can be used in addition to LinkedIn and you'd see the outcomes from 2014-2017 are not on par with any "Big 3" or "Big 5" peers.
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Anonymous wrote:My public high school back in the 90s published a top 25 senior list every summer with graduating GPA, ECs, college destination and hopeful area of study in a mailer that was sent to everyone's house. Unsure if Wilson has ever compiled anything similar. But a list like that can be used in addition to LinkedIn and you'd see the outcomes from 2014-2017 are not on par with any "Big 3" or "Big 5" peers.


So you’ve done the work and have that info to share?
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Anonymous wrote:Isn't Wilson approx. 2,000 students? Focusing on the top 10 or so seniors out of 500 i.e. top 1% is misleading -- and also, quite presumptuous to assume your kid would be a top 1% senior. And obsessing over which college they end up at misses the mark. Look up the top graduates from five to eight years ago and see what they majored in, if they graduated college on time, with or without honors, and where they're working or if they ended up at medical or law school.


But lots of students from Wilson aren’t planning on college at all. And even fewer are aiming for the ivies which don’t give merit scholarships—I know kids who turned down ivies for full rides at other great SLACs or HBCs, or just applied to those exclusively. You can’t claim the comparison should be all-of-Wilson vs. all-of-GDS because that’s really apples to oranges.

Also the info on what they’re doing now isn’t collected anywhere as far as I know. Maybe somebody at NCS or Sidwell keeps track of the recent alumnae who bother to check in, but even that’s going to be incomplete. The only reason our K-6 knew where DC got into college was because we answered an email, but not everybody does.

Some real bizarre reasoning here about comparisons. So what is a reasonable comparison to you? The whole 125 member GDS senior class with the top 125 students at Wilson? Or all of the college bound Wilson seniors?

What about the kids who start Wilson with their hearts set on Ivies but fall short? How should they be identified or compared?


Easy, and you’d see it too if you knew anything about public schools. Compare to the Wilson kids taking honors and AP classes. This would include the kids who enter Wilson with their hearts set on ivies, as well as other kids who are on the college track.

This would also include the public school kids who won’t apply to ivies for financial or other reasons, but given the high share of private school kids who are gunning for ivies, that should bias it properly from your POV, no?

But by all means keep insulting other posters, we get a really good handle on your insecurities that way.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hahahahahaha. You private school parents are a bunch of whiny babies. Sorry your children are not strong candidates for top colleges. Wilson is not perfect, but colleges know what they are doing. Better for them to have kids that can overcome some adversity in public schools rather than entitled spoiled brats from private school.
Wish there were less entitled kids in privates. It’s been more than disappointing. I’m sure the admissions counselors know what they are doing.
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Anonymous wrote:My public high school back in the 90s published a top 25 senior list every summer with graduating GPA, ECs, college destination and hopeful area of study in a mailer that was sent to everyone's house. Unsure if Wilson has ever compiled anything similar. But a list like that can be used in addition to LinkedIn and you'd see the outcomes from 2014-2017 are not on par with any "Big 3" or "Big 5" peers.


LinkedIn, snort. You can’t tell who graduated in 4 years and who took 6 years, because nobody looking for a job is going to advertise that they dropped out for 2 years. And unless you know the top-tier firms in every sector, and can rank them appropriately, you don’t have a way to compare kids. Sure, you’ll be able to tally up the doctors and lawyers and academics, but if that’s your criterion it’s pretty shallow not to mention won’t cover that many kids.

You also won’t know who got in as a legacy, or ED as a full pay applicant, both of which are advantages that accrue more to private school kids. But I suppose you don’t want to acknowledge that stuff anyway.

But go ahead, do the analysis and report back to us!
Anonymous
Someone earlier in the thread said most of the smartest Wilson seniors year after year are on the debate team. You could easily look up Wilson debate rosters from 2013 to 2017 (i.e. college classes of 2017 to 2021) and then just look those kids up on LinkedIn.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Someone earlier in the thread said most of the smartest Wilson seniors year after year are on the debate team. You could easily look up Wilson debate rosters from 2013 to 2017 (i.e. college classes of 2017 to 2021) and then just look those kids up on LinkedIn.


Plus obviously high school valedictorians and salutatorians are generally public record.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Isn't Wilson approx. 2,000 students? Focusing on the top 10 or so seniors out of 500 i.e. top 1% is misleading -- and also, quite presumptuous to assume your kid would be a top 1% senior. And obsessing over which college they end up at misses the mark. Look up the top graduates from five to eight years ago and see what they majored in, if they graduated college on time, with or without honors, and where they're working or if they ended up at medical or law school.

Law school isn’t that high a bar.
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Anonymous wrote:Everybody at these top colleges gets the same degree whether you purportedly struggled through or breezed through with all A’s. Seems to me the kids at Wilson get the best deal and the Big 3 parents resent it.

Is there a metric somewhere that tracks the long term success of Big 3 vs. Wilson or similar public high school? Not really interested in who is better at writing term papers but post college real world stats.


You know what happens to be the bottom of the senior class at Ivies if you're not loaded and connected? Unemployment or underemployment. It's not like getting into an Ivy makes you a shoo-in for a six-figure job or medical school. If you crash and burn at at a prestige college it is deeply embarrassing when you go onto work a regular job. Everyone knows you crashed and burned.

I know tons of Ivy grads working as middling GS13s the same as people with degrees from University of Phoenix.

There’s even an Ivy grad in my neighborhood who moved back home and walks dogs for a living.

I agree that it’s funny that people think it’s like a golden ticket from Willy Wonka.


+1. Deluded strivers.


I'm old $ European and this is disgusting. They are 18 year old kids! Social mobility is great for them, we don't really need any more opportunities.
they do. Why are you so bitter?
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