Keep Healthy Kids in School - Don't Opt-In to APS' Surveillance Testing

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Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing CDC comes out with some revamped guidelines in light of Omicron. Current rules don’t make sense when cases transmitting regardless of vaccine status and most everyone is getting it. I expect we move to something more like this: https://time.com/6131104/rethinking-covid-19-restrictions-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1Xwqe7m4yI7n00ofI1-NuQifh9n3v3y_37H5sKgL2wdlF0yzhz7B-ZdpA

On testing from link: Rational Testing Policies

We need to retire the policy of school closures and the cancellation of school sporting events based on asymptomatic testing. While testing and quarantines may have been rationalized as reasonable strategies prior to the availability of vaccines, these disruptions can no longer be justified as having any direct impact on lowering the risk of life-threatening illness among the lives of those subject to the disruptions, namely students, athletes, or even spectators.

Although schools reopened in 2021, parents and students continue to suffer from educational loss and work disruption due to school testing policies and quarantines. The CDC has recently endorsed test to stay as a safe and reasonable policy for keeping kids in school and minimizing educational disruption. This policy should quickly become the norm until school-based testing is completely phased out. Similarly, testing protocols should be updated for all places of work, shortening the period of isolation following infection. Returning to work (or school) as soon as a rapid test is negative, reflecting when COVID-19 is no longer transmissible, is more appropriate than the outdated 7 day period (with a negative test) of isolation.

There's literally not been a single student disrupted from surveillance testing. But now that you mention it, I'm glad that there's a convenient, free, totally optional testing policy.

What are you talking about, not a single student disrupted from surveillance testing? My kid missed almost week of school while waiting the five days to get a PCR test (which was negative) after they were deemed a close contact of an asymptomatic kid who was found during surveillance testing. This was before my child could be vaccinated. My child is now so they wouldn’t be excluded based on close contact alone, but there are plenty of kids who are not vaccinated based on their parents’ choices. Those kids have no say whatsoever in whether they get vaccinated, but will lose out on education as a result.

If kids miss school because they are unvaccinated, too bad. The parents can weigh that as part of the pros and cons of getting vaccinated. Those families don’t get to have it both ways - no vaccine AND no quarantine.

And many of those parents are also pushing for no mask.

Exactly.

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If kids miss school because they are unvaccinated, too bad. The parents can weigh that as part of the pros and cons of getting vaccinated. Those families don’t get to have it both ways - no vaccine AND no quarantine.

Considering black and Hispanic community have the lowest vaccine uptake, and white Democrats have the highest vaccine uptake, especially affluent ones, this statement is really just

"Screw all those black and brown kids who have to miss school (I don't believe in the ultra-low risk of COVID to kids, even more so after my child got vaccinated). My paranoia over COVID comes before brown and black little kids' education."

There is nothing stopping those families from getting vaccinated. They can walk in to Arlington Mill or Walter Reed without an appointment evenings and weekends. They can go to CVS or Giant. This is not a matter of expense or convenience. This is not March 2021 when a bunch of privileged white people with fast computers and stable internet were snapping up all the appointment times. The reasons people are choosing not to get vaccinated are cultural and nuanced - but it is literally a choice.

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If kids miss school because they are unvaccinated, too bad. The parents can weigh that as part of the pros and cons of getting vaccinated. Those families don’t get to have it both ways - no vaccine AND no quarantine.

Considering black and Hispanic community have the lowest vaccine uptake, and white Democrats have the highest vaccine uptake, especially affluent ones, this statement is really just

"Screw all those black and brown kids who have to miss school (I don't believe in the ultra-low risk of COVID to kids, even more so after my child got vaccinated). My paranoia over COVID comes before brown and black little kids' education."

There is nothing stopping those families from getting vaccinated. They can walk in to Arlington Mill or Walter Reed without an appointment evenings and weekends. They can go to CVS or Giant. This is not a matter of expense or convenience. This is not March 2021 when a bunch of privileged white people with fast computers and stable internet were snapping up all the appointment times. The reasons people are choosing not to get vaccinated are cultural and nuanced - but it is literally a choice.

Not for the kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing CDC comes out with some revamped guidelines in light of Omicron. Current rules don’t make sense when cases transmitting regardless of vaccine status and most everyone is getting it. I expect we move to something more like this: https://time.com/6131104/rethinking-covid-19-restrictions-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1Xwqe7m4yI7n00ofI1-NuQifh9n3v3y_37H5sKgL2wdlF0yzhz7B-ZdpA

On testing from link: Rational Testing Policies

We need to retire the policy of school closures and the cancellation of school sporting events based on asymptomatic testing. While testing and quarantines may have been rationalized as reasonable strategies prior to the availability of vaccines, these disruptions can no longer be justified as having any direct impact on lowering the risk of life-threatening illness among the lives of those subject to the disruptions, namely students, athletes, or even spectators.

Although schools reopened in 2021, parents and students continue to suffer from educational loss and work disruption due to school testing policies and quarantines. The CDC has recently endorsed test to stay as a safe and reasonable policy for keeping kids in school and minimizing educational disruption. This policy should quickly become the norm until school-based testing is completely phased out. Similarly, testing protocols should be updated for all places of work, shortening the period of isolation following infection. Returning to work (or school) as soon as a rapid test is negative, reflecting when COVID-19 is no longer transmissible, is more appropriate than the outdated 7 day period (with a negative test) of isolation.

There was just a huge superspreader basketball game and you are pushing for more of this? No thanks.

Which school?

The Yorktown/WL basketball game. Also big outbreaks on the Wakefield and WL basketball teams. Probably Yorktown’s too

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing CDC comes out with some revamped guidelines in light of Omicron. Current rules don’t make sense when cases transmitting regardless of vaccine status and most everyone is getting it. I expect we move to something more like this: https://time.com/6131104/rethinking-covid-19-restrictions-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1Xwqe7m4yI7n00ofI1-NuQifh9n3v3y_37H5sKgL2wdlF0yzhz7B-ZdpA

On testing from link: Rational Testing Policies

We need to retire the policy of school closures and the cancellation of school sporting events based on asymptomatic testing. While testing and quarantines may have been rationalized as reasonable strategies prior to the availability of vaccines, these disruptions can no longer be justified as having any direct impact on lowering the risk of life-threatening illness among the lives of those subject to the disruptions, namely students, athletes, or even spectators.

Although schools reopened in 2021, parents and students continue to suffer from educational loss and work disruption due to school testing policies and quarantines. The CDC has recently endorsed test to stay as a safe and reasonable policy for keeping kids in school and minimizing educational disruption. This policy should quickly become the norm until school-based testing is completely phased out. Similarly, testing protocols should be updated for all places of work, shortening the period of isolation following infection. Returning to work (or school) as soon as a rapid test is negative, reflecting when COVID-19 is no longer transmissible, is more appropriate than the outdated 7 day period (with a negative test) of isolation.

There was just a huge superspreader basketball game and you are pushing for more of this? No thanks.

Which school?

The Yorktown/WL basketball game. Also big outbreaks on the Wakefield and WL basketball teams. Probably Yorktown’s too

Yorktown had only four reported cases (not all of which were athletes) in the past seven days, so no reason to believe they’ve had an outbreak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing CDC comes out with some revamped guidelines in light of Omicron. Current rules don’t make sense when cases transmitting regardless of vaccine status and most everyone is getting it. I expect we move to something more like this: https://time.com/6131104/rethinking-covid-19-restrictions-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1Xwqe7m4yI7n00ofI1-NuQifh9n3v3y_37H5sKgL2wdlF0yzhz7B-ZdpA

On testing from link: Rational Testing Policies

We need to retire the policy of school closures and the cancellation of school sporting events based on asymptomatic testing. While testing and quarantines may have been rationalized as reasonable strategies prior to the availability of vaccines, these disruptions can no longer be justified as having any direct impact on lowering the risk of life-threatening illness among the lives of those subject to the disruptions, namely students, athletes, or even spectators.

Although schools reopened in 2021, parents and students continue to suffer from educational loss and work disruption due to school testing policies and quarantines. The CDC has recently endorsed test to stay as a safe and reasonable policy for keeping kids in school and minimizing educational disruption. This policy should quickly become the norm until school-based testing is completely phased out. Similarly, testing protocols should be updated for all places of work, shortening the period of isolation following infection. Returning to work (or school) as soon as a rapid test is negative, reflecting when COVID-19 is no longer transmissible, is more appropriate than the outdated 7 day period (with a negative test) of isolation.

There was just a huge superspreader basketball game and you are pushing for more of this? No thanks.

Which school?

The Yorktown/WL basketball game. Also big outbreaks on the Wakefield and WL basketball teams. Probably Yorktown’s too

Yorktown had only four reported cases (not all of which were athletes) in the past seven days, so no reason to believe they’ve had an outbreak.

The game was held at YHS. The outbreak is the W-L athletes at that game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing CDC comes out with some revamped guidelines in light of Omicron. Current rules don’t make sense when cases transmitting regardless of vaccine status and most everyone is getting it. I expect we move to something more like this: https://time.com/6131104/rethinking-covid-19-restrictions-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1Xwqe7m4yI7n00ofI1-NuQifh9n3v3y_37H5sKgL2wdlF0yzhz7B-ZdpA

On testing from link: Rational Testing Policies

We need to retire the policy of school closures and the cancellation of school sporting events based on asymptomatic testing. While testing and quarantines may have been rationalized as reasonable strategies prior to the availability of vaccines, these disruptions can no longer be justified as having any direct impact on lowering the risk of life-threatening illness among the lives of those subject to the disruptions, namely students, athletes, or even spectators.

Although schools reopened in 2021, parents and students continue to suffer from educational loss and work disruption due to school testing policies and quarantines. The CDC has recently endorsed test to stay as a safe and reasonable policy for keeping kids in school and minimizing educational disruption. This policy should quickly become the norm until school-based testing is completely phased out. Similarly, testing protocols should be updated for all places of work, shortening the period of isolation following infection. Returning to work (or school) as soon as a rapid test is negative, reflecting when COVID-19 is no longer transmissible, is more appropriate than the outdated 7 day period (with a negative test) of isolation.

There was just a huge superspreader basketball game and you are pushing for more of this? No thanks.

Which school?

The Yorktown/WL basketball game. Also big outbreaks on the Wakefield and WL basketball teams. Probably Yorktown’s too

Yorktown had only four reported cases (not all of which were athletes) in the past seven days, so no reason to believe they’ve had an outbreak.

The game was held at YHS. The outbreak is the W-L athletes at that game.

Plus symptoms or positive results wouldn’t have shown up until after break started. So the dashboard results may not be fully accurate in this instance (if ever). But go ahead and keep you head in the sand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing CDC comes out with some revamped guidelines in light of Omicron. Current rules don’t make sense when cases transmitting regardless of vaccine status and most everyone is getting it. I expect we move to something more like this: https://time.com/6131104/rethinking-covid-19-restrictions-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1Xwqe7m4yI7n00ofI1-NuQifh9n3v3y_37H5sKgL2wdlF0yzhz7B-ZdpA

On testing from link: Rational Testing Policies

We need to retire the policy of school closures and the cancellation of school sporting events based on asymptomatic testing. While testing and quarantines may have been rationalized as reasonable strategies prior to the availability of vaccines, these disruptions can no longer be justified as having any direct impact on lowering the risk of life-threatening illness among the lives of those subject to the disruptions, namely students, athletes, or even spectators.

Although schools reopened in 2021, parents and students continue to suffer from educational loss and work disruption due to school testing policies and quarantines. The CDC has recently endorsed test to stay as a safe and reasonable policy for keeping kids in school and minimizing educational disruption. This policy should quickly become the norm until school-based testing is completely phased out. Similarly, testing protocols should be updated for all places of work, shortening the period of isolation following infection. Returning to work (or school) as soon as a rapid test is negative, reflecting when COVID-19 is no longer transmissible, is more appropriate than the outdated 7 day period (with a negative test) of isolation.

There's literally not been a single student disrupted from surveillance testing. But now that you mention it, I'm glad that there's a convenient, free, totally optional testing policy.

What are you talking about, not a single student disrupted from surveillance testing? My kid missed almost week of school while waiting the five days to get a PCR test (which was negative) after they were deemed a close contact of an asymptomatic kid who was found during surveillance testing. This was before my child could be vaccinated. My child is now so they wouldn’t be excluded based on close contact alone, but there are plenty of kids who are not vaccinated based on their parents’ choices. Those kids have no say whatsoever in whether they get vaccinated, but will lose out on education as a result.

If kids miss school because they are unvaccinated, too bad. The parents can weigh that as part of the pros and cons of getting vaccinated. Those families don’t get to have it both ways - no vaccine AND no quarantine.

Not sure you folks are paying attention. Even the CDC acknowledges that the vaccine doesn't prevent the spread e.g., you can both get infected and spread to others. And spare me the hair splitting about unvaccinated spreading more than the vaccinated. Fauci even acknowledges that the viral load is the same in both vaccinated and unvaccinated. After all the goal post shifting, the only argument left is that that the vaccinated won't get as sick as the unvaccinated. And that is less of a variable for kids. So, with all this and given that Omicron is the equivalent of a cold, and not to mention that prior lockdowns (and masking) didn't work, attendance and quarantine policies should be updated accordingly. Alas, the power control minions will likely continue with the same, failed approaches.

[Anonymous]

Do we know the likelihood of a vaxxed masked asymptomatic 5-11 year old spreading COVID to another masked vaxxed asymptomatic person and that person getting serious consequences or spreading to someone who gets serious consequences? Is such likelihood greater than likelihood of a serious injury while in a moving car?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing CDC comes out with some revamped guidelines in light of Omicron. Current rules don’t make sense when cases transmitting regardless of vaccine status and most everyone is getting it. I expect we move to something more like this: https://time.com/6131104/rethinking-covid-19-restrictions-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1Xwqe7m4yI7n00ofI1-NuQifh9n3v3y_37H5sKgL2wdlF0yzhz7B-ZdpA

On testing from link: Rational Testing Policies

We need to retire the policy of school closures and the cancellation of school sporting events based on asymptomatic testing. While testing and quarantines may have been rationalized as reasonable strategies prior to the availability of vaccines, these disruptions can no longer be justified as having any direct impact on lowering the risk of life-threatening illness among the lives of those subject to the disruptions, namely students, athletes, or even spectators.

Although schools reopened in 2021, parents and students continue to suffer from educational loss and work disruption due to school testing policies and quarantines. The CDC has recently endorsed test to stay as a safe and reasonable policy for keeping kids in school and minimizing educational disruption. This policy should quickly become the norm until school-based testing is completely phased out. Similarly, testing protocols should be updated for all places of work, shortening the period of isolation following infection. Returning to work (or school) as soon as a rapid test is negative, reflecting when COVID-19 is no longer transmissible, is more appropriate than the outdated 7 day period (with a negative test) of isolation.

There was just a huge superspreader basketball game and you are pushing for more of this? No thanks.

Which school?

The Yorktown/WL basketball game. Also big outbreaks on the Wakefield and WL basketball teams. Probably Yorktown’s too

Yorktown had only four reported cases (not all of which were athletes) in the past seven days, so no reason to believe they’ve had an outbreak.

The game was held at YHS. The outbreak is the W-L athletes at that game.

Nope. It’s not just the athletes. It’s the spectators too. More than a dozen kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing CDC comes out with some revamped guidelines in light of Omicron. Current rules don’t make sense when cases transmitting regardless of vaccine status and most everyone is getting it. I expect we move to something more like this: https://time.com/6131104/rethinking-covid-19-restrictions-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1Xwqe7m4yI7n00ofI1-NuQifh9n3v3y_37H5sKgL2wdlF0yzhz7B-ZdpA

On testing from link: Rational Testing Policies

We need to retire the policy of school closures and the cancellation of school sporting events based on asymptomatic testing. While testing and quarantines may have been rationalized as reasonable strategies prior to the availability of vaccines, these disruptions can no longer be justified as having any direct impact on lowering the risk of life-threatening illness among the lives of those subject to the disruptions, namely students, athletes, or even spectators.

Although schools reopened in 2021, parents and students continue to suffer from educational loss and work disruption due to school testing policies and quarantines. The CDC has recently endorsed test to stay as a safe and reasonable policy for keeping kids in school and minimizing educational disruption. This policy should quickly become the norm until school-based testing is completely phased out. Similarly, testing protocols should be updated for all places of work, shortening the period of isolation following infection. Returning to work (or school) as soon as a rapid test is negative, reflecting when COVID-19 is no longer transmissible, is more appropriate than the outdated 7 day period (with a negative test) of isolation.

There was just a huge superspreader basketball game and you are pushing for more of this? No thanks.

Which school?

The Yorktown/WL basketball game. Also big outbreaks on the Wakefield and WL basketball teams. Probably Yorktown’s too

Yorktown had only four reported cases (not all of which were athletes) in the past seven days, so no reason to believe they’ve had an outbreak.

The game was held at YHS. The outbreak is the W-L athletes at that game.

Nope. It’s not just the athletes. It’s the spectators too. More than a dozen kids.

Where are you getting this, because it’s not consistent with the dashboard data?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing CDC comes out with some revamped guidelines in light of Omicron. Current rules don’t make sense when cases transmitting regardless of vaccine status and most everyone is getting it. I expect we move to something more like this: https://time.com/6131104/rethinking-covid-19-restrictions-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1Xwqe7m4yI7n00ofI1-NuQifh9n3v3y_37H5sKgL2wdlF0yzhz7B-ZdpA

On testing from link: Rational Testing Policies

We need to retire the policy of school closures and the cancellation of school sporting events based on asymptomatic testing. While testing and quarantines may have been rationalized as reasonable strategies prior to the availability of vaccines, these disruptions can no longer be justified as having any direct impact on lowering the risk of life-threatening illness among the lives of those subject to the disruptions, namely students, athletes, or even spectators.

Although schools reopened in 2021, parents and students continue to suffer from educational loss and work disruption due to school testing policies and quarantines. The CDC has recently endorsed test to stay as a safe and reasonable policy for keeping kids in school and minimizing educational disruption. This policy should quickly become the norm until school-based testing is completely phased out. Similarly, testing protocols should be updated for all places of work, shortening the period of isolation following infection. Returning to work (or school) as soon as a rapid test is negative, reflecting when COVID-19 is no longer transmissible, is more appropriate than the outdated 7 day period (with a negative test) of isolation.

There was just a huge superspreader basketball game and you are pushing for more of this? No thanks.

Which school?

The Yorktown/WL basketball game. Also big outbreaks on the Wakefield and WL basketball teams. Probably Yorktown’s too

Yorktown had only four reported cases (not all of which were athletes) in the past seven days, so no reason to believe they’ve had an outbreak.

The game was held at YHS. The outbreak is the W-L athletes at that game.

Nope. It’s not just the athletes. It’s the spectators too. More than a dozen kids.

Where are you getting this, because it’s not consistent with the dashboard data?

Anyone with a kid in YHS or WL can name a ton of kids who have tested positive since break started. Do you really think the dashboard data has been updated since break started when all of APS has been on break? Do you really think anyone is filling out the daily screener or calling the school nurses to report (the ones who are not at schools because schools are closed for break)? Just because it’s not on the dashboard doesn’t mean the spread isn’t real.

[Anonymous]

Who cares if a bunch of kids got COVID? If they’re asymptotic they shouldn’t have been tested and should have continued playing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares if a bunch of kids got COVID? If they’re asymptotic they shouldn’t have been tested and should have continued playing.

The NFL is not seeing any spread by asymptomatic players
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32930584/data-shows-asymptomatic-individuals-not-spreading-covid-19-nfl-chief-medical-officer-says

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who cares if a bunch of kids got COVID? If they’re asymptotic they shouldn’t have been tested and should have continued playing.

Because they can bring it home and pass it on to people who are at risk. I can't believe how selfish some of you people are.