Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean that the help requested visual separation. What other options were available?

Many experts have stated “visual separation” means the helo is assuming full responsibility for staying away from the plane. Helo pilot does this twice.

Please watch the info videos. This has been explained countless times.

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Anonymous wrote:My BIL works for Southwest and they are known to have a super Trumpy culture amongst pilots, I wonder what they are thinking these days with all of his nonsense.

Most of my fellow pilots lean right. Some far right. Many of them have been spouting the DEI nonsense in aviation for years. I guarantee you all of them will lay this on the tower controllers and the controllers union for making it difficult for the govt to hire/fire controllers. As someone who is more center of the road there is more than a small amount of truth to this.

I've posted this earlier but there is an ongoing class action lawsuit precisely bc the ATC created a biographical questionnaire that screened out white men in favor of women and poc. As far I know its no longer being used and I don't think DEI has anything to do with this particular incident, but it did happen and qualified white men--who had already spent ten of thousands of dollars of their own money to got to ATC school-- were turned away based on that questionnaire alone. It's Brigida v DoT and it's been making it's way through the courts for like 10 years now...there's another system that could use an overhaul.

ATC also dropped the college aviation degree prerequisite the last 10 years. We had friends with college loans to do that program, they graduated and then poof, didn’t matter!

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Those who say it was intentional, do you think it was just a last minute decision by the pilot? How could it even have been planned? The CRJ was told to change runways at last minute. Even if the helo wanted to crash into the plane, they were approaching each other from different directions at different height at different speeds. Wouldn't it have been difficult for the helo to time it correctly?

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Anonymous wrote:The female pilot is believed to have been commanding the helicopter, her name is being intentionally withheld

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5281246/pentagon-jet-military-helicopter-collision

I hope this wasn’t part of it:

"Initial indications suggest this may have been a checkride, or periodic evaluation by an experienced instructor pilot of a less experienced pilot," said Brad Bowman, a military analyst with the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a former Black Hawk pilot.

"A checkride, as opposed to a normal training flight, creates some unique dynamics in the cockpit. In a checkride, the less experienced pilot can be nervous and eager to not make mistakes, while the instructor pilot is watching to see how the other pilot responds to different developments," Bowman explained. "Sometimes an instructor pilot will test the less experienced aviator to see how they respond, but such a technique would have been unusual and inadvisable in that location given the reduced margin for error."

I'm assuming the black box and data recorders would have captured all this, right? Including any conversation.

Spoiler alert: we are never finding out any of the information on the helicopters black box.

+1 I think we know at this point all we will ever know.

Eh. We may not get nitty gritty (like the real purpose of the flight) but NTSB is going to assign a cause to the crash, and it’s not going to be the airline pilots or ATC.

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Anonymous wrote:The female pilot is believed to have been commanding the helicopter, her name is being intentionally withheld

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5281246/pentagon-jet-military-helicopter-collision

Per family request.

They are no doubt worried about death threats and other violence.

+1 they don't need Pizzagate liberators, buffalo hatted shamans, and people who oppose women serving as pilots showing up at their house and/or the funeral.

That is a totally legitimate fear these days.

This. The president has already thrown her under the bus. I can’t imagine how they must feel.

Anyone worth their salt speaks up. So would their parents or anyone who knew how top decile they were in their craft.

And vice versa.

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Anonymous wrote:The female pilot is believed to have been commanding the helicopter, her name is being intentionally withheld

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5281246/pentagon-jet-military-helicopter-collision

Per family request.

They are no doubt worried about death threats and other violence.

I'm a female pilot. Given the tone from our government leaders and the witch hunts taking place online ... if I were involved in an accident, knowing I'd likely be the only female crew member from either airplane, I would want my family protected from the media as long as possible. I don't blame them for trying to shield her memory and reputation until more is known about the actual events of the crash.

That’s a superficial response.

You withhold information when yours covering something up or hiding something. They can go hang out at a mountain house and let the name come out.

The pilot Bo doubt has a stellar education, background, top of their class, best training and track record of success. Otherwise how would you continually get to the point where you’re flying a $6m helicopter.

It’s a rationed response. Unfortunately the president doesn’t see that she was as qualified or more so than the men, which is unfortunately why we’re here.

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

No, you don't have a "right" to know.

Chill TF out.

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Anonymous wrote:The female pilot is believed to have been commanding the helicopter, her name is being intentionally withheld

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5281246/pentagon-jet-military-helicopter-collision

Per family request.

They are no doubt worried about death threats and other violence.

+1 they don't need Pizzagate liberators, buffalo hatted shamans, and people who oppose women serving as pilots showing up at their house and/or the funeral.

That is a totally legitimate fear these days.

This. The president has already thrown her under the bus. I can’t imagine how they must feel.

Anyone worth their salt speaks up. So would their parents or anyone who knew how top decile they were in their craft.

And vice versa.

Utter BS. If I’m grieving I’m not going to invite death threats before the funeral. I sure as h;ll wouldn’t. I don’t need crazy 1/6ers circling me.

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean that the help requested visual separation. What other options were available?

Many experts have stated “visual separation” means the helo is assuming full responsibility for staying away from the plane. Helo pilot does this twice.

Please watch the info videos. This has been explained countless times.

So ATC could have denied the request, knowing how closely the paths were crossing. Did they grant the request because they were understaffed and allowed a too risky situation?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't blame the family for wanting privacy, but it is clearly not only her fault. I do believe the BH was solely at fault but there were three people on board. Who knows what happened or should have happened. It's obvious though that more than one person screwed up.

And by this same logic, if the other two on board were named, she should have been too. Being a female doesn't give you special privileges. You want equality in everything, then it should be the same here too.

I am female.

Agree and agree.

Acting secretive with the name is looking like a scrub job and cover up.

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

I don't know, I feel like withholding the name now only makes it worse for the family when it inevitably comes out??

It breeds distrust of them. And their pilot.

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

So you’re assuming it was just her error, and hers alone. Go away, you miserable excuse for a human being.

DP. We don’t know whose “fault” is was, but when the military helicopter you are flying is flown directly into a commercial jet, killing 64 people, you aren’t owed privacy, especially when the other two in the helicopter have been named

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Anonymous wrote:Per CNN right now the BH was flying 100 feet above maximum altitude and was also off course.

Radar position records already showed that. It shows route, time, altitude, ground speed of every plane.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s absolutely no way they did not see this plane. Goggles or not. Look at this angle. The light from the plane is illuminating strongly enough to be captured in this manner.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/security-footage-shows-new-angles-of-d-c-crash-230772805611

That is the clearest video I have seen so far. And you are right, no way in h*** they didn't see that plane. Adds to my belief that this was intentional.

Wow super clear footage. It says it was from a security camera; I wonder which building.

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There are numerous BH pilots saying it was the primary job of the white guy sitting in the back to make sure the area around the BH was clear. I also read that it often is 2 in back although 3 can be done. But doesn’t make sense in this airspace.