Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

I can’t believe she’s able to give interviews at this point. I assume she is still in shock but she seems very composed on CNN. Just a tough time to be in the spotlight after losing her son.

I think it's ghastly for reporters to interview the next of kin so soon after a tragic death but viewers eat it up.

Why would anyone accept the invitation?

I have no idea unless they are defending themselves from culpability.

Maybe his husband’s sister told the truth about her nephew being terrified about the “exploration”. Was he obligated to go with his father?
To me, it sounds like the mother is giving interviews out of a feeling of culpability. It’s too soon for interviews.

Then she shouldn’t be giving interviews. It’s her choice.

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Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

It seems as though they got around the regulation issue, because it was in international waters, and because the craft was built in one country and launched from another. I wonder how those issues will be addressed.

Those are (and many more) the issues this incident will bubble up. The are many issues CEO bypassed - from poor engineering, regs, lack of testing...etc. Someone should be asking how this thing even hit the water to begin with??

It's not like this was its maiden voyage. It made multiple dives before, and people lived to tell about it.

The damage was cumulative…as he was warned.

Obviously these submersibles can’t be treated like tour buses. I wonder if it is even possible to maintain them over time or if they just have to be regularly broken down and then rebuilt from scratch?

Navy dry docks ships/submarines to perform maintenance. If this vessel was tested, a proper maintenance plan could’ve been developed. Obviously the CEO guy didn’t believe that.

Also, what would maintenance be on this thing. The carbon fiber hull and the joins to it are critical. How would they know if the hull was delaminating. How would they know if the epoxy joins were failing. To do this thing safely, they'd have to replace the hull regularly. They can't just patch it. It wasn't feasible from a financial standpoint to maintain this thing.

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Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

It seems as though they got around the regulation issue, because it was in international waters, and because the craft was built in one country and launched from another. I wonder how those issues will be addressed.

Those are (and many more) the issues this incident will bubble up. The are many issues CEO bypassed - from poor engineering, regs, lack of testing...etc. Someone should be asking how this thing even hit the water to begin with??

It's not like this was its maiden voyage. It made multiple dives before, and people lived to tell about it.

The damage was cumulative…as he was warned.

Obviously these submersibles can’t be treated like tour buses. I wonder if it is even possible to maintain them over time or if they just have to be regularly broken down and then rebuilt from scratch?

This. You can't "patch" that hull. The hull they had no way of verify or measuring its degredation.

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Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

It seems as though they got around the regulation issue, because it was in international waters, and because the craft was built in one country and launched from another. I wonder how those issues will be addressed.

Those are (and many more) the issues this incident will bubble up. The are many issues CEO bypassed - from poor engineering, regs, lack of testing...etc. Someone should be asking how this thing even hit the water to begin with??

It's not like this was its maiden voyage. It made multiple dives before, and people lived to tell about it.

The damage was cumulative…as he was warned.

Obviously these submersibles can’t be treated like tour buses. I wonder if it is even possible to maintain them over time or if they just have to be regularly broken down and then rebuilt from scratch?

Navy dry docks ships/submarines to perform maintenance. If this vessel was tested, a proper maintenance plan could’ve been developed. Obviously the CEO guy didn’t believe that.

Also, what would maintenance be on this thing. The carbon fiber hull and the joins to it are critical. How would they know if the hull was delaminating. How would they know if the epoxy joins were failing. To do this thing safely, they'd have to replace the hull regularly. They can't just patch it. It wasn't feasible from a financial standpoint to maintain this thing.

Engineers would know enough about the materials used to know how to come up with a maintenance plan. In this case, it could require complete overhaul every x dives. Any after overhaul, most likely require a predive inspection too. So, yes, multiple levels of inspections and certifications which cost money and time. Exactly what CEO wanted to avoid and ended up dead.

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Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

It seems as though they got around the regulation issue, because it was in international waters, and because the craft was built in one country and launched from another. I wonder how those issues will be addressed.

Those are (and many more) the issues this incident will bubble up. The are many issues CEO bypassed - from poor engineering, regs, lack of testing...etc. Someone should be asking how this thing even hit the water to begin with??

It's not like this was its maiden voyage. It made multiple dives before, and people lived to tell about it.

The damage was cumulative…as he was warned.

Obviously these submersibles can’t be treated like tour buses. I wonder if it is even possible to maintain them over time or if they just have to be regularly broken down and then rebuilt from scratch?

Navy dry docks ships/submarines to perform maintenance. If this vessel was tested, a proper maintenance plan could’ve been developed. Obviously the CEO guy didn’t believe that.

Also, what would maintenance be on this thing. The carbon fiber hull and the joins to it are critical. How would they know if the hull was delaminating. How would they know if the epoxy joins were failing. To do this thing safely, they'd have to replace the hull regularly. They can't just patch it. It wasn't feasible from a financial standpoint to maintain this thing.

This type of hull can be checked with CT scans. I’m sure that comes at a pretty penny so it may have been better to just make a new one every x amount of dives. The problem is that they never tested how many dives would be the limit for it.

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We also don't know for sure if it was the hull that failed, or the joints between the hull and end caps..

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Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

It seems as though they got around the regulation issue, because it was in international waters, and because the craft was built in one country and launched from another. I wonder how those issues will be addressed.

Those are (and many more) the issues this incident will bubble up. The are many issues CEO bypassed - from poor engineering, regs, lack of testing...etc. Someone should be asking how this thing even hit the water to begin with??

It's not like this was its maiden voyage. It made multiple dives before, and people lived to tell about it.

The damage was cumulative…as he was warned.

Obviously these submersibles can’t be treated like tour buses. I wonder if it is even possible to maintain them over time or if they just have to be regularly broken down and then rebuilt from scratch?

Navy dry docks ships/submarines to perform maintenance. If this vessel was tested, a proper maintenance plan could’ve been developed. Obviously the CEO guy didn’t believe that.

Also, what would maintenance be on this thing. The carbon fiber hull and the joins to it are critical. How would they know if the hull was delaminating. How would they know if the epoxy joins were failing. To do this thing safely, they'd have to replace the hull regularly. They can't just patch it. It wasn't feasible from a financial standpoint to maintain this thing.

There was a carbon fiber composite deep sea submersible in the 2000-2010 era- Deepsea challenger. It was designed to go into the Mariana Trench, but they put a hold on it because testing showed it was a one and done hull. It wouldn’t be safe after one dive. They decided to wait for better technology to develop.

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Amazing how much taxpayer money is being spent to "investigate" 5 billionaires getting into some experimental carbon fiber sub and pulverizing themselves 10,000 feet under the surface of the ocean. Meanwhile, tens of millions of low to mid-income public school kids have fallen a grade or more behind because of the covid nonsense. Maybe we should focus on a search and rescue mission for them.

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It is no longer missing. They found it today

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much taxpayer money is being spent to "investigate" 5 billionaires getting into some experimental carbon fiber sub and pulverizing themselves 10,000 feet under the surface of the ocean. Meanwhile, tens of millions of low to mid-income public school kids have fallen a grade or more behind because of the covid nonsense. Maybe we should focus on a search and rescue mission for them.

Actually, I'd prefer we spend it on the search and recovery of the sub. And here's some free education for you: There weren't 5 billionaires on the sub, there were only 2.

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https://ktla.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/TitanSubmersible.jpg?w=1752&h=986&crop=1

Bringing up the debris

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Anonymous wrote:https://ktla.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/TitanSubmersible.jpg?w=1752&h=986&crop=1

Bringing up the debris

Whether we like it or not, I don't think they have any other choice.

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Agree

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Anonymous wrote:The mother of the kid was on the mothership waiting all that time for the submersible to return. Apparently she was meant to go with her husband and gave the seat to her kid instead - a sacrifice she shouldn’t have made and which she undoubtedly will forever regret. Better two middle aged fools die than for their teenager to be snuffed out before he’s even lived.

CNN article/interview with the mother:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/world/christine-dawood-interview-titan-submersible-scli-intl/index.html

I find this choppy and poorly written. I do feel terrible for her and her family.

But I also heard this story on NPR this morning and can't help but think how much of a difference $500k would make to a family like this:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184268046/migrant-dad-trying-to-help-his-ill-child-is-one-of-many-presume-dead-in-ship-sin

Yes it all feels so wasteful and tragic. All the money to get in the submersible, all the resources spent on the search effort and now to recover the wreckage, etc. The end result is five lives lost. All of those resources could have literally changed people’s lives who are suffering.

Well, I don't see it as money wasted. Underwater tourism was (and still is) unregulated sector. This incident will bring more regulations so it doesn't happen again.

It seems as though they got around the regulation issue, because it was in international waters, and because the craft was built in one country and launched from another. I wonder how those issues will be addressed.

Those are (and many more) the issues this incident will bubble up. The are many issues CEO bypassed - from poor engineering, regs, lack of testing...etc. Someone should be asking how this thing even hit the water to begin with??

It's not like this was its maiden voyage. It made multiple dives before, and people lived to tell about it.

The damage was cumulative…as he was warned.

Obviously these submersibles can’t be treated like tour buses. I wonder if it is even possible to maintain them over time or if they just have to be regularly broken down and then rebuilt from scratch?

Navy dry docks ships/submarines to perform maintenance. If this vessel was tested, a proper maintenance plan could’ve been developed. Obviously the CEO guy didn’t believe that.

Also, what would maintenance be on this thing. The carbon fiber hull and the joins to it are critical. How would they know if the hull was delaminating. How would they know if the epoxy joins were failing. To do this thing safely, they'd have to replace the hull regularly. They can't just patch it. It wasn't feasible from a financial standpoint to maintain this thing.

This type of hull can be checked with CT scans. I’m sure that comes at a pretty penny so it may have been better to just make a new one every x amount of dives. The problem is that they never tested how many dives would be the limit for it.

Wasn't that brought up in the ex-employees law suit? He wanted to do some sort of scans, but the carbon fiber was too thick to effectively test.

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Anonymous wrote:https://ktla.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/TitanSubmersible.jpg?w=1752&h=986&crop=1

Bringing up the debris

I'm surprised at the size of that piece of the hull. It sounds like it should have been blown to smithereens.