Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Omg now Monique is talking sh¡t about the lawyer:

“And when I read the NY Post article and got his name, I searched on Google and found that website, and I was like, "Oh."

Then when I called, he answered the phone. Not a secretary
Not a receptionist. He answered the phone.

I thought maybe it was his cell or something.”

She’s trying really hard to convince herself he’s not a threat to her.

She’s wrong.

She also clearly doesn’t understand the legal system and the law. On her TikTok she explains how she “knows” the evidentiary system under the law, etc. She is wrong. She needs to go to law school. I’ve been a lawyer for 20+ years and it always gives me a headache when someone who isn’t a lawyer makes ridiculous claims about how the law works, what would be allowed in court, etc.

This is the case of the decade! You should join the legal team. With all of your experience, you could make a name for yourself. OJ 2.0 baby!

The person posting stuff like this must be Monique Judge, right? It's just petty and childish and non-substantive, and I can't imagine posting it unless you were feeling extremely defensive, and I can't imagine anyone OTHER than Judge caring enough to be this defensive on her behalf.

I am starting to feel embarrassed on her behalf.

+100

I want to say “she’s screwed and she knows it” but sadly I think she doesn’t know it. She thinks she understands the law but is really just clueless. I think she honestly thinks she’s right.

[Anonymous]

The angry poster also has a similar writing style to Monique Judge -- angry with this attitude of "I'm too good to even be involved in this" while very clearly involving herself in it. If they aren't one and the same, they share similar styles and outlooks.

They could team up and write a novel about online forums, internet witch hunts, and racism. That would be a better use of everyone's time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can somebody TL;DR this whole thing? I only saw the initial video, thought that the white woman was in the wrong, and now there's more? What happened?

More context:
- The white woman has come forward with a receipt that shows she rented the bike in the video. Times are redacted but the serial number on her receipt matches the serial number on the bike in the video, which would be hard to fake.

- She has said (through her attorney) that she got on the bike and rented it when no one was around, that the guys showed up and pushed the bike back into the dock, and then the altercation shown in the video occurred. She then rented another bike and went home (she has also produced a receipt for that bike). She also reveals that she is 6 months pregnant and had just gotten off a 12-hour shift at the hospital when this all occurred.

- Some eagle-eyed people have pointed out some issues with the video. First, it appears the man is covering the QR code, preventing her from renting the bike. Second, it appears he rents the bike about 20 seconds into the video (just before she grabs his phone, you hear the unlocking sound and see the bike lurch back). Third, she is on the bike and he is next to it, which is odd positioning if she was stealing the bike from him. Fourth, at least one of the young men in the video says repeatedly that "it's not worth it" and they should let her have the bike. Fifth, one of the guys off camera in the video says to her "your baby is going to come out r*****ed [disability slur]."

- The woman has received death threats, called a white supremacist, and compared to the woman who lied about Emmett Till, getting him killed. Her lawyer is going after some of the people how said these things online, as part of a potential defamation action.

I think that's it? It really appears that a lot of us (and I count myself among this group) jumped to false conclusions on the basis of a short, out of context video, and that if there's a lesson in here, it's to not allow ourselves to be baited in this way, and not assume everything you see online conforms to preconceptions you might have about racism. It doesn't sound like this incident actually had anything to do with race until the video was posted online and people imposed that framework on it.

Good summary. The only addition I have is that we do not know for sure about whether the incident had anything to do with race initially. Also, the young men have not come forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The angry poster also has a similar writing style to Monique Judge -- angry with this attitude of "I'm too good to even be involved in this" while very clearly involving herself in it. If they aren't one and the same, they share similar styles and outlooks.

They could team up and write a novel about online forums, internet witch hunts, and racism. That would be a better use of everyone's time.

The angry poster also makes many of Monique's (silly) arguments. But I still think it's one of the 50 people who "like" Monique's twitter feed, so they know her arguments.

[Anonymous]

And, yet, how many days later and the men haven't come forward to tell their side or show a receipt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And, yet, how many days later and the men haven't come forward to tell their side or show a receipt.

Those guys are gone. They don't stand to gain anything by coming forward at this point because if you take the PA's receipts and combine them with a viewing of the video that is not biased by "get ready to watch a woman be racist" priming, it's pretty clear that they didn't behave great. Like even if you go with the idea that it was a misunderstanding, you have the one guy using a slur for a disabled person, you have the guy covering the QR code and pushing into her, you have them laughing and mocking her -- if you go into it with the assumption that she either rented the bike first or it was a genuine misunderstanding, it's very hard to defend their behavior. It looks like harassment.

Throw in that she's pregnant and just finished a long shift, and unless you are just absolutely convinced this must be a "Karen" incident, those guys do not look sympathetic.

I actually don't think they were the ones to post the video and I think they've probably known from the start that the video ultimately doesn't make them look great. I think they will lay low and hope no one figures out who they are (easier than it was for the PA since she was in work scrubs and wearing an ID).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And, yet, how many days later and the men haven't come forward to tell their side or show a receipt.

Those guys are gone. They don't stand to gain anything by coming forward at this point because if you take the PA's receipts and combine them with a viewing of the video that is not biased by "get ready to watch a woman be racist" priming, it's pretty clear that they didn't behave great. Like even if you go with the idea that it was a misunderstanding, you have the one guy using a slur for a disabled person, you have the guy covering the QR code and pushing into her, you have them laughing and mocking her -- if you go into it with the assumption that she either rented the bike first or it was a genuine misunderstanding, it's very hard to defend their behavior. It looks like harassment.

Throw in that she's pregnant and just finished a long shift, and unless you are just absolutely convinced this must be a "Karen" incident, those guys do not look sympathetic.

I actually don't think they were the ones to post the video and I think they've probably known from the start that the video ultimately doesn't make them look great. I think they will lay low and hope no one figures out who they are (easier than it was for the PA since she was in work scrubs and wearing an ID).

Oh, there's people that know who they are. You can clearly see the faces of at least 3 of them-although one of those 3 is the guy in the pink hoodie who really didn't do anything bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can somebody TL;DR this whole thing? I only saw the initial video, thought that the white woman was in the wrong, and now there's more? What happened?

More context:
- The white woman has come forward with a receipt that shows she rented the bike in the video. Times are redacted but the serial number on her receipt matches the serial number on the bike in the video, which would be hard to fake.

- She has said (through her attorney) that she got on the bike and rented it when no one was around, that the guys showed up and pushed the bike back into the dock, and then the altercation shown in the video occurred. She then rented another bike and went home (she has also produced a receipt for that bike). She also reveals that she is 6 months pregnant and had just gotten off a 12-hour shift at the hospital when this all occurred.

- Some eagle-eyed people have pointed out some issues with the video. First, it appears the man is covering the QR code, preventing her from renting the bike. Second, it appears he rents the bike about 20 seconds into the video (just before she grabs his phone, you hear the unlocking sound and see the bike lurch back). Third, she is on the bike and he is next to it, which is odd positioning if she was stealing the bike from him. Fourth, at least one of the young men in the video says repeatedly that "it's not worth it" and they should let her have the bike. Fifth, one of the guys off camera in the video says to her "your baby is going to come out r*****ed [disability slur]."

- The woman has received death threats, called a white supremacist, and compared to the woman who lied about Emmett Till, getting him killed. Her lawyer is going after some of the people how said these things online, as part of a potential defamation action.

I think that's it? It really appears that a lot of us (and I count myself among this group) jumped to false conclusions on the basis of a short, out of context video, and that if there's a lesson in here, it's to not allow ourselves to be baited in this way, and not assume everything you see online conforms to preconceptions you might have about racism. It doesn't sound like this incident actually had anything to do with race until the video was posted online and people imposed that framework on it.

This is a great summary. I'd just add that her employer, the hospital, put her on leave and that's why she hired an employment lawyer. Also, a news station went to her house and told her neighbors she was a racist thief; she's received threats; and her reputation has been trashed by the social media mob.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can somebody TL;DR this whole thing? I only saw the initial video, thought that the white woman was in the wrong, and now there's more? What happened?

More context:
- The white woman has come forward with a receipt that shows she rented the bike in the video. Times are redacted but the serial number on her receipt matches the serial number on the bike in the video, which would be hard to fake.

- She has said (through her attorney) that she got on the bike and rented it when no one was around, that the guys showed up and pushed the bike back into the dock, and then the altercation shown in the video occurred. She then rented another bike and went home (she has also produced a receipt for that bike). She also reveals that she is 6 months pregnant and had just gotten off a 12-hour shift at the hospital when this all occurred.

- Some eagle-eyed people have pointed out some issues with the video. First, it appears the man is covering the QR code, preventing her from renting the bike. Second, it appears he rents the bike about 20 seconds into the video (just before she grabs his phone, you hear the unlocking sound and see the bike lurch back). Third, she is on the bike and he is next to it, which is odd positioning if she was stealing the bike from him. Fourth, at least one of the young men in the video says repeatedly that "it's not worth it" and they should let her have the bike. Fifth, one of the guys off camera in the video says to her "your baby is going to come out r*****ed [disability slur]."

- The woman has received death threats, called a white supremacist, and compared to the woman who lied about Emmett Till, getting him killed. Her lawyer is going after some of the people how said these things online, as part of a potential defamation action.

I think that's it? It really appears that a lot of us (and I count myself among this group) jumped to false conclusions on the basis of a short, out of context video, and that if there's a lesson in here, it's to not allow ourselves to be baited in this way, and not assume everything you see online conforms to preconceptions you might have about racism. It doesn't sound like this incident actually had anything to do with race until the video was posted online and people imposed that framework on it.

This is a great summary. I'd just add that her employer, the hospital, put her on leave and that's why she hired an employment lawyer. Also, a news station went to her house and told her neighbors she was a racist thief; she's received threats; and her reputation has been trashed by the social media mob.

Oh yeah, I'm the PP with the summary and I forgot to mention that she was doxxed pretty early in this process, which is what led to a lot of the harassment and threats. Most of the commentary now is much more focused on her doxxing and the only harassment of her, and not so much on the video which people view differently now that we have more context.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And, yet, how many days later and the men haven't come forward to tell their side or show a receipt.

Those guys are gone. They don't stand to gain anything by coming forward at this point because if you take the PA's receipts and combine them with a viewing of the video that is not biased by "get ready to watch a woman be racist" priming, it's pretty clear that they didn't behave great. Like even if you go with the idea that it was a misunderstanding, you have the one guy using a slur for a disabled person, you have the guy covering the QR code and pushing into her, you have them laughing and mocking her -- if you go into it with the assumption that she either rented the bike first or it was a genuine misunderstanding, it's very hard to defend their behavior. It looks like harassment.

Throw in that she's pregnant and just finished a long shift, and unless you are just absolutely convinced this must be a "Karen" incident, those guys do not look sympathetic.

I actually don't think they were the ones to post the video and I think they've probably known from the start that the video ultimately doesn't make them look great. I think they will lay low and hope no one figures out who they are (easier than it was for the PA since she was in work scrubs and wearing an ID).

Someone gave the video or posted it from that group. I don't think all the men in the group were involved, some were just there but not stopping it. It should be easy enough to track them down and the police should be doing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, yet, how many days later and the men haven't come forward to tell their side or show a receipt.

Those guys are gone. They don't stand to gain anything by coming forward at this point because if you take the PA's receipts and combine them with a viewing of the video that is not biased by "get ready to watch a woman be racist" priming, it's pretty clear that they didn't behave great. Like even if you go with the idea that it was a misunderstanding, you have the one guy using a slur for a disabled person, you have the guy covering the QR code and pushing into her, you have them laughing and mocking her -- if you go into it with the assumption that she either rented the bike first or it was a genuine misunderstanding, it's very hard to defend their behavior. It looks like harassment.

Throw in that she's pregnant and just finished a long shift, and unless you are just absolutely convinced this must be a "Karen" incident, those guys do not look sympathetic.

I actually don't think they were the ones to post the video and I think they've probably known from the start that the video ultimately doesn't make them look great. I think they will lay low and hope no one figures out who they are (easier than it was for the PA since she was in work scrubs and wearing an ID).

Someone gave the video or posted it from that group. I don't think all the men in the group were involved, some were just there but not stopping it. It should be easy enough to track them down and the police should be doing that.

What crime did they commit, and what kind of punishment would they receive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, yet, how many days later and the men haven't come forward to tell their side or show a receipt.

Those guys are gone. They don't stand to gain anything by coming forward at this point because if you take the PA's receipts and combine them with a viewing of the video that is not biased by "get ready to watch a woman be racist" priming, it's pretty clear that they didn't behave great. Like even if you go with the idea that it was a misunderstanding, you have the one guy using a slur for a disabled person, you have the guy covering the QR code and pushing into her, you have them laughing and mocking her -- if you go into it with the assumption that she either rented the bike first or it was a genuine misunderstanding, it's very hard to defend their behavior. It looks like harassment.

Throw in that she's pregnant and just finished a long shift, and unless you are just absolutely convinced this must be a "Karen" incident, those guys do not look sympathetic.

I actually don't think they were the ones to post the video and I think they've probably known from the start that the video ultimately doesn't make them look great. I think they will lay low and hope no one figures out who they are (easier than it was for the PA since she was in work scrubs and wearing an ID).

Someone gave the video or posted it from that group. I don't think all the men in the group were involved, some were just there but not stopping it. It should be easy enough to track them down and the police should be doing that.

What crime did they commit, and what kind of punishment would they receive?

I'm guessing assault/harrassment. If they touched her, battery. Attempted theft. As for punishment, I'd settle for community service or probation. Plus of course public shaming (yes I know public shaming is not a judicial punishment).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, yet, how many days later and the men haven't come forward to tell their side or show a receipt.

Those guys are gone. They don't stand to gain anything by coming forward at this point because if you take the PA's receipts and combine them with a viewing of the video that is not biased by "get ready to watch a woman be racist" priming, it's pretty clear that they didn't behave great. Like even if you go with the idea that it was a misunderstanding, you have the one guy using a slur for a disabled person, you have the guy covering the QR code and pushing into her, you have them laughing and mocking her -- if you go into it with the assumption that she either rented the bike first or it was a genuine misunderstanding, it's very hard to defend their behavior. It looks like harassment.

Throw in that she's pregnant and just finished a long shift, and unless you are just absolutely convinced this must be a "Karen" incident, those guys do not look sympathetic.

I actually don't think they were the ones to post the video and I think they've probably known from the start that the video ultimately doesn't make them look great. I think they will lay low and hope no one figures out who they are (easier than it was for the PA since she was in work scrubs and wearing an ID).

Someone gave the video or posted it from that group. I don't think all the men in the group were involved, some were just there but not stopping it. It should be easy enough to track them down and the police should be doing that.

What crime did they commit, and what kind of punishment would they receive?

Harassment, assault (or what ever a lower level would be). I would hope they'd get community service at that hospital under her direction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, yet, how many days later and the men haven't come forward to tell their side or show a receipt.

Those guys are gone. They don't stand to gain anything by coming forward at this point because if you take the PA's receipts and combine them with a viewing of the video that is not biased by "get ready to watch a woman be racist" priming, it's pretty clear that they didn't behave great. Like even if you go with the idea that it was a misunderstanding, you have the one guy using a slur for a disabled person, you have the guy covering the QR code and pushing into her, you have them laughing and mocking her -- if you go into it with the assumption that she either rented the bike first or it was a genuine misunderstanding, it's very hard to defend their behavior. It looks like harassment.

Throw in that she's pregnant and just finished a long shift, and unless you are just absolutely convinced this must be a "Karen" incident, those guys do not look sympathetic.

I actually don't think they were the ones to post the video and I think they've probably known from the start that the video ultimately doesn't make them look great. I think they will lay low and hope no one figures out who they are (easier than it was for the PA since she was in work scrubs and wearing an ID).

Someone gave the video or posted it from that group. I don't think all the men in the group were involved, some were just there but not stopping it. It should be easy enough to track them down and the police should be doing that.

Her lawyer says they don't want to pursue the guys. So they haven't gone to the police.

[Anonymous]

The NYC prosecutors would never charge for this.