Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 5

[Anonymous]

The whole Democratic argument about the sexual assault went off the rails when Avenatti and Swetnick started with the gang rape nonsense.

It took away from Ford's overall credible testimony .........

Such outright incompetence; the Democrats really need better leadership.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Outwit, outlast and outplay" ...... from the reality program Survivor.

This is what McConnell and the Republicans did on Kavanaugh and the Democrats were lost and bewildered. They still don't know what hit them ..... like they don't know what hit them when Trump won the presidency.

^^^This sort of rhetoric is what defines the Republicans. It speaks to their machiavellian soul. And why the majority of Americans despise them.

Stop with the whining.

As far as what Americans feel about Republicans, since 2008 the Democrats lost an almost filibuster proof senate control, the House where they held a huge majority, the presidency, over 1000 state legislature seats and 14 governorships. If this equates to Americans despising "them", may be the Democrats should crave for some of that hate.

Yes, "outwit, outlast and outplay" is how Kavanaugh was confirmed - you can add "outfoxed". The dumbest move was when Democrats pushed for a FBI supplementary review which gave cover to the the senators who were the swing votes.

To top it off, the Democrats tactics energized a complacent Republican base even as Kavanaugh was confirmed - and the Democrats shot themselves in the foot!

Dumbness personified has been the Democratic strategy.

Cover? That was joke. They did not even interview Ford. Gave no cover at all. Collins is totally exposed with that vote as are all the swing voting senators.

Dr. Ford was given the opportunity to read her prepared (well prepared, I'm sure) statement with all the time she needed and her attorneys by her side. I would think she included all the details she could recall.

DP, but I think you're missing half the issue with the FBI not interviewing Ford. An interview wouldn't have been just about getting Ford's account of what happened, it would also be for challenging her on inconsistencies between her claims and what they learned from other people they interviewed. If the FBI came back from all of the interviews they did and didn't have a single follow-up question for either Ford or Kavanaugh to get clarity on some point, I'd question whether they did their job at all. Since neither of them was interviewed by the FBI, it was almost necessarily an incomplete investigation because when people are trying to remember things from that long ago, there are bound to be some inconsistencies in accounts, even if they go to surrounding circumstances and not the allegations themselves.

PP here. I appreciate your post and what you said. It's one reason I'm so disgusted by Feinstein's office sitting on the info. It's just wrong all around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Outwit, outlast and outplay" ...... from the reality program Survivor.

This is what McConnell and the Republicans did on Kavanaugh and the Democrats were lost and bewildered. They still don't know what hit them ..... like they don't know what hit them when Trump won the presidency.

^^^This sort of rhetoric is what defines the Republicans. It speaks to their machiavellian soul. And why the majority of Americans despise them.

Stop with the whining.

As far as what Americans feel about Republicans, since 2008 the Democrats lost an almost filibuster proof senate control, the House where they held a huge majority, the presidency, over 1000 state legislature seats and 14 governorships. If this equates to Americans despising "them", may be the Democrats should crave for some of that hate.

Yes, "outwit, outlast and outplay" is how Kavanaugh was confirmed - you can add "outfoxed". The dumbest move was when Democrats pushed for a FBI supplementary review which gave cover to the the senators who were the swing votes.

To top it off, the Democrats tactics energized a complacent Republican base even as Kavanaugh was confirmed - and the Democrats shot themselves in the foot!

Dumbness personified has been the Democratic strategy.

Cover? That was joke. They did not even interview Ford. Gave no cover at all. Collins is totally exposed with that vote as are all the swing voting senators.

The Democrats did not have a leg to stand on and not only Collins but even Manchin accepted the FBI review. Remember when those Democratic senators said all it needed was three more days for a FBI review? Coons and Flake agreed on a week. Are you going to withdraw support from Manchin? I suspect some Democratic voters will do just that ..... and shoot themselves in the foot again.

The Democrats got played, the Republican voters were energized ..... and Kavanaugh was confirmed. I thought the Senate was up for grabs but with the Democrats sheer incompetence, I think there is a good chance the Republicans will gain seats.

Count your blessings ....... the next will be Ginsburg and/or Breyer while Trump is in office. But never fear ...... Avenatti is there to save the Democrats!

Which Dems said the FBI would need no more than three days? I remember Coons came to the compromise with Flake to give the FBI up to a week to investigate the allegations and develop additional facts to help the Senate evaluate the allegations, but I don't remember Coons saying a week would be more than sufficient. It seemed like limiting it to a week was the thing Coons compromised on to get Flake to agree to the investigation at all.

Yes Coons worked out with Flake that it would be a week and I think Dick Durbin and Amy Klobacher suggested that Kavanaugh should ask for the FBI review which would be done in a week.

Klobuchar and Durbin supported an FBI investigation, but I don't remember either of them saying a week would be sufficient. I do remember both of them expressing concern that it would be inappropriate for the White House to constrain the investigation to only certain witnesses or only certain kinds of questions. If you or anyone else can find a link where any of them specifically said they thought a week would be sufficient for the FBI to conduct the investigation, I'd be interested to see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Outwit, outlast and outplay" ...... from the reality program Survivor.

This is what McConnell and the Republicans did on Kavanaugh and the Democrats were lost and bewildered. They still don't know what hit them ..... like they don't know what hit them when Trump won the presidency.

^^^This sort of rhetoric is what defines the Republicans. It speaks to their machiavellian soul. And why the majority of Americans despise them.

Stop with the whining.

As far as what Americans feel about Republicans, since 2008 the Democrats lost an almost filibuster proof senate control, the House where they held a huge majority, the presidency, over 1000 state legislature seats and 14 governorships. If this equates to Americans despising "them", may be the Democrats should crave for some of that hate.

Yes, "outwit, outlast and outplay" is how Kavanaugh was confirmed - you can add "outfoxed". The dumbest move was when Democrats pushed for a FBI supplementary review which gave cover to the the senators who were the swing votes.

To top it off, the Democrats tactics energized a complacent Republican base even as Kavanaugh was confirmed - and the Democrats shot themselves in the foot!

Dumbness personified has been the Democratic strategy.

Cover? That was joke. They did not even interview Ford. Gave no cover at all. Collins is totally exposed with that vote as are all the swing voting senators.

Dr. Ford was given the opportunity to read her prepared (well prepared, I'm sure) statement with all the time she needed and her attorneys by her side. I would think she included all the details she could recall.

DP, but I think you're missing half the issue with the FBI not interviewing Ford. An interview wouldn't have been just about getting Ford's account of what happened, it would also be for challenging her on inconsistencies between her claims and what they learned from other people they interviewed. If the FBI came back from all of the interviews they did and didn't have a single follow-up question for either Ford or Kavanaugh to get clarity on some point, I'd question whether they did their job at all. Since neither of them was interviewed by the FBI, it was almost necessarily an incomplete investigation because when people are trying to remember things from that long ago, there are bound to be some inconsistencies in accounts, even if they go to surrounding circumstances and not the allegations themselves.

PP here. I appreciate your post and what you said. It's one reason I'm so disgusted by Feinstein's office sitting on the info. It's just wrong all around.

My comment had nothing to do with Feinstein, I think you may have misread it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Kavanaugh has just hired the first SCOTUS all-woman law clerk team. And, one of the woman is African-American.
I would say he is off to a great start.

Wonder what happened to all the clerks Kennedy hired RIGHT before abruptly announcing his retirement.

Hmmmmm.
#somethingisrottenindenmark

The clerks hired by Kennedy have been farmed out to other justices. Kavanaugh hired his new clerks provisionally after he was nominated.

I hope they ate never alone with him. They need a buddy system.

You are disgusting. You probably realize that already.

Nope
Realistic. Once an attempted rapist, always an attempted rapist and one day he will succeed if he has 't alteady.
He knows he can do anything and there are no consequences.

Hence the plethora of women he has worked with over the past 20 years came forth and outed him.

[Anonymous]

The fundamental problem is that Democrats don't like Trump naming nominees for the Supreme court.

I understand that ....... but the way to change that is for Democrats to win the presidency. You can't lose a presidential election and then whine when the Republican president names the nominee.

Elections have consequences as none other than Obama said when he won the presidency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Ex67T20/status/1030067322071998464

Something rotten in Denmark indeed. Look at the incestuous relationships among Republicans; this was fr9m back in August, but it’s no less relevant. This is sick.

Because you want it to be. One can craft just about anything they want to out of years of activities and comments. Can work against both sides and be used by partisans like you.

BTW, you should read some things about the backroom politics of the 60's. If the above affected you that much I suggest you brace yourself. Sadly, the backroom thing isn't done as much anymore.

Fudge that. Read the whole thread and tell me there isn’t an incestuous relationship among the GOP (in this instance McConnell and his wife Chao), The Federalist Society and wealthy funders (in this case Philip Anschutz). Read the whole thing and tell me what the parallel is on the liberal side. You guys scream and cry and carry on about George Soros when in reality you are guilty of that which you project onto the liberals.

And I’m not ignorant of history, but you appear to be ignorant of what year it is. Surely we should be better than the GOP is today.

I comment and you assign me a political party, I don't have any affiliation, and spin your partisan rhetoric.

The difference between people like yourself and someone like me...I don't need to analyze all that crap so that I can play the partisan spy game. For some reason there is a group of you, on both sides, that live for that kind of shit. Almost like a political video game and you need to keep score.

[Anonymous]

You are a liar, PP.

The propaganda machine has emboldened Trump to call Ford
a hoax, walking back his earlier statements, and every non-Republican a member of a mob. The thirst Trumpers have for civil war and violence, as begun by this dehumanization, gets nearer.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/horrified-trump-mockery-threats-blasey-ford

It’s not clear that Ford will be safe in a week or month or year. Because of posters here. Whipping shit at her. Eventually, this gets to less and less stable right wingers, for whom “action” seems reasonable: it just takes one person, like the guy who went full Alex Jones and fired shots at Comet Ping Pong Pizza.

Jeff: at a certain point, one we’ve all hit, the people you should ban from posting or even reading are the ones still fomenting anger at Ford. This is serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Outwit, outlast and outplay" ...... from the reality program Survivor.

This is what McConnell and the Republicans did on Kavanaugh and the Democrats were lost and bewildered. They still don't know what hit them ..... like they don't know what hit them when Trump won the presidency.

^^^This sort of rhetoric is what defines the Republicans. It speaks to their machiavellian soul. And why the majority of Americans despise them.

Stop with the whining.

As far as what Americans feel about Republicans, since 2008 the Democrats lost an almost filibuster proof senate control, the House where they held a huge majority, the presidency, over 1000 state legislature seats and 14 governorships. If this equates to Americans despising "them", may be the Democrats should crave for some of that hate.

Yes, "outwit, outlast and outplay" is how Kavanaugh was confirmed - you can add "outfoxed". The dumbest move was when Democrats pushed for a FBI supplementary review which gave cover to the the senators who were the swing votes.

To top it off, the Democrats tactics energized a complacent Republican base even as Kavanaugh was confirmed - and the Democrats shot themselves in the foot!

Dumbness personified has been the Democratic strategy.

Cover? That was joke. They did not even interview Ford. Gave no cover at all. Collins is totally exposed with that vote as are all the swing voting senators.

Dr. Ford was given the opportunity to read her prepared (well prepared, I'm sure) statement with all the time she needed and her attorneys by her side. I would think she included all the details she could recall.

DP, but I think you're missing half the issue with the FBI not interviewing Ford. An interview wouldn't have been just about getting Ford's account of what happened, it would also be for challenging her on inconsistencies between her claims and what they learned from other people they interviewed. If the FBI came back from all of the interviews they did and didn't have a single follow-up question for either Ford or Kavanaugh to get clarity on some point, I'd question whether they did their job at all. Since neither of them was interviewed by the FBI, it was almost necessarily an incomplete investigation because when people are trying to remember things from that long ago, there are bound to be some inconsistencies in accounts, even if they go to surrounding circumstances and not the allegations themselves.

PP here. I appreciate your post and what you said. It's one reason I'm so disgusted by Feinstein's office sitting on the info. It's just wrong all around.

My comment had nothing to do with Feinstein, I think you may have misread it.

PP here. I do get what you wrote. I was just adding my own thoughts about Feinstein and didn't mean to suggest that's what you thought, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Outwit, outlast and outplay" ...... from the reality program Survivor.

This is what McConnell and the Republicans did on Kavanaugh and the Democrats were lost and bewildered. They still don't know what hit them ..... like they don't know what hit them when Trump won the presidency.

^^^This sort of rhetoric is what defines the Republicans. It speaks to their machiavellian soul. And why the majority of Americans despise them.

Stop with the whining.

As far as what Americans feel about Republicans, since 2008 the Democrats lost an almost filibuster proof senate control, the House where they held a huge majority, the presidency, over 1000 state legislature seats and 14 governorships. If this equates to Americans despising "them", may be the Democrats should crave for some of that hate.

Yes, "outwit, outlast and outplay" is how Kavanaugh was confirmed - you can add "outfoxed". The dumbest move was when Democrats pushed for a FBI supplementary review which gave cover to the the senators who were the swing votes.

To top it off, the Democrats tactics energized a complacent Republican base even as Kavanaugh was confirmed - and the Democrats shot themselves in the foot!

Dumbness personified has been the Democratic strategy.

Cover? That was joke. They did not even interview Ford. Gave no cover at all. Collins is totally exposed with that vote as are all the swing voting senators.

Dr. Ford was given the opportunity to read her prepared (well prepared, I'm sure) statement with all the time she needed and her attorneys by her side. I would think she included all the details she could recall.

DP, but I think you're missing half the issue with the FBI not interviewing Ford. An interview wouldn't have been just about getting Ford's account of what happened, it would also be for challenging her on inconsistencies between her claims and what they learned from other people they interviewed. If the FBI came back from all of the interviews they did and didn't have a single follow-up question for either Ford or Kavanaugh to get clarity on some point, I'd question whether they did their job at all. Since neither of them was interviewed by the FBI, it was almost necessarily an incomplete investigation because when people are trying to remember things from that long ago, there are bound to be some inconsistencies in accounts, even if they go to surrounding circumstances and not the allegations themselves.

PP here. I appreciate your post and what you said. It's one reason I'm so disgusted by Feinstein's office sitting on the info. It's just wrong all around.

My comment had nothing to do with Feinstein, I think you may have misread it.

PP here. I do get what you wrote. I was just adding my own thoughts about Feinstein and didn't mean to suggest that's what you thought, too.

Good, because I agree with Feinstein's decision to respect Ford's wishes and not release the letter. While there was public value to the allegations coming out, the victim's rights should come first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fundamental problem is that Democrats don't like Trump naming nominees for the Supreme court.

I understand that ....... but the way to change that is for Democrats to win the presidency. You can't lose a presidential election and then whine when the Republican president names the nominee.

Elections have consequences as none other than Obama said when he won the presidency.

If Trump had nominated Merrick Garland there would have been absolutely no outcry from Democrats. Or nominated Obama. Wouldn't either of those have been a nice, healing gesture for the nation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole Democratic argument about the sexual assault went off the rails when Avenatti and Swetnick started with the gang rape nonsense.

It took away from Ford's overall credible testimony .........

Such outright incompetence; the Democrats really need better leadership.

No, it was Brett Kavanaugh's angry performance that did it. After Ford's testimony, everybody said she was credible and the Republicans were nervous. After Kavanaugh spoke, everybody was impressed with his "passionate" defense even though his answers were evasive and not credible.

We live in the time of Donald Trump. Calm testimony is worthless. Anger rules the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fundamental problem is that Democrats don't like Trump naming nominees for the Supreme court.

I understand that ....... but the way to change that is for Democrats to win the presidency. You can't lose a presidential election and then whine when the Republican president names the nominee.

Elections have consequences as none other than Obama said when he won the presidency.

If Trump had nominated Merrick Garland there would have been absolutely no outcry from Democrats. Or nominated Obama. Wouldn't either of those have been a nice, healing gesture for the nation?

DP

So as long as he nominated who you (Democrats) wanted that would be fine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are a liar, PP.

The propaganda machine has emboldened Trump to call Ford
a hoax, walking back his earlier statements, and every non-Republican a member of a mob. The thirst Trumpers have for civil war and violence, as begun by this dehumanization, gets nearer.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/horrified-trump-mockery-threats-blasey-ford

It’s not clear that Ford will be safe in a week or month or year. Because of posters here. Whipping shit at her. Eventually, this gets to less and less stable right wingers, for whom “action” seems reasonable: it just takes one person, like the guy who went full Alex Jones and fired shots at Comet Ping Pong Pizza.

Jeff: at a certain point, one we’ve all hit, the people you should ban from posting or even reading are the ones still fomenting anger at Ford. This is serious.

Huh? Are you saying that those of us who do not believe Ford's story, and think that the Democrats exploited her, should be banned? Is that somehow fomenting anger? Or, more directly, are you suggesting that only those who believe that Kavanaugh assaulted Ford should be allowed to post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole Democratic argument about the sexual assault went off the rails when Avenatti and Swetnick started with the gang rape nonsense.

It took away from Ford's overall credible testimony .........

Such outright incompetence; the Democrats really need better leadership.

No, it was Brett Kavanaugh's angry performance that did it. After Ford's testimony, everybody said she was credible and the Republicans were nervous. After Kavanaugh spoke, everybody was impressed with his "passionate" defense even though his answers were evasive and not credible.

We live in the time of Donald Trump. Calm testimony is worthless. Anger rules the day.

DP

You do know that a certain segment said she was credible (able to be believed, convincing) did so because that was a nice gesture and did not mean they believed she was accusing the right person. Or even that she was telling the truth.