Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

I think Israel’s actions created Hamas and its continued actions will foster the next generation of Hamas or another generation with even more hatred in their heart and soul.

Bingo. Now we’re talking real truth. How can you not say you’re antisemitic when you read the above? Israel is to blame for a terrorist organization being voted into place by Gazan citizens? Can we just agree to blame Jews for every evil in the world?

I can sympathize when people say they support a ceasefire in support of saving lives IF you still want to take out Hamas. But to start blaming Israel for everything that Palestine has become? This is when you need history lessons on how Israel was created and what Palestinians have done over the last 75 years to build themselves up as a people (spoiler alert - they’ve done Jack shit because their only goal is to eliminate the state of Israel, not to educate themselves or use billions in aid to support the positive growth of their own citizens). They’ve been offered two state solutions but they want nothing other than complete elimination of Israel and Israelis. They’ve been given billions in aid annually but continue to vote for a government that focuses more on building tunnels and bombs rather than help their citizens. And their schoolbooks teach them not to pursue becoming a doctor or engineer or lawyer, but rather a jihadist and martyr.

But no, none of that is on them. It’s all the Jews fault. The Jews should just line up next to the pits and allow themselves to be executed. Then the Palestinians can be allowed the whole land of Israel and run it into the ground, and then who will they blame? The Americans, just like Bin Ladin.

DP. I am sure you sincerely believe what you wrote and nothing I am going to post on this forum is going to change your world view but I do need to reply anyway.

First, I’m Jewish. My ancestors came to the US fleeing the Ukrainian Pogroms at the turn of the 19th century. I am not anti semitic in any way, shape or form.

Acknowledging the historical and current harm that Israel has inflicted on the Palestinian people has nothing to do my feelings about Judaism or those who are Jewish. Just like my acknowledgement of the historical and current harm that Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups have inflicted on Israelis has nothing to do with my feelings about Islam/Muslims.

In 1948 Israel drove hundreds of thousands of people away from their homes. Since then Palestinians have sought the right of return. They don’t want a two state solution. They don’t want peaceful self government in Gaza. They want to return to their homes (many of which were subsequently destroyed to create room for Israeli farmland and settlements). Of course Israel had its reasons to push the Palestinians from their land in 1948 but those actions are what fanned the flame of hatred that created Hamas. Israel’s actions now are doing nothing to stop that hatred from continuing to the next generation.

I don’t have a solution. The crux of the problem is there are two groups wanting the same land. What is your solution? That Palestinians should just give up their claim? That is just not going to happen. Zionists came back after thousands of years to reclaim their ancestral land. The Palestinian claim is just as strong (many would say stronger).

Did your ancestors have the right of return to Ukraine? Did Jews liberated from the camps have the right of return? No. Displacements happen all over the world, but if you continue to live a pipe dream of something that will never happen, you will never build anything new. I wish instead of wanting ti return to homes that no longer exist, Palestinians would delineate the future that they want to see, the one that has Israel in it. Until they do that there is not going to be a Palestinian state.

You seem very matter-of-fact and peachy keen with the idea of forced displacements being a natural phenomena, but many who share that view vis-a-vis Palestinian refugees are hysterical when it comes to their perceived view that others are supportive of the idea that Israel should be displaced as a nation state.

How do they (maybe you?) reconcile those inconsistent views?

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine.

Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action.

There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with.

Only 1 baby is on the Israeli death toll. What happened to the 40 babies that were beheaded by Hamas?

First of all, you’re wrong and you’re reading fake news.

Second, what about the misfired Palestinian missile that “hit a hospital” and was blamed on Israel for killing hundreds? Turns out it wasn’t fired by Israel, didn’t hit a hospital, didn’t kill hundreds.

Stop deflecting. Israel has destroyed EVERY HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER in Gaza.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

Israel is the agressor. Israeli’s are the terrorists now. Deal with it

Your side is losing. Deal with that. You danced in the streets on October 7 but are crying now. Don’t F with Israel again.

No one danced in the street on oct 7 - but obviously you’ve convinced yourself of that because you need to perpetually be the victim as well as the agressor.

Secondly i dont care about who wins - israel was always going to outgun Palestine with NO ARMY and israel being completely propped up by daddy genocide joe.

What could have gone differently is that israel could have gone after hamas tactfully and treated innocent Palestinians within the boundaries of the geneva convention.

BUT

israel has gone full insanity and is killing babies women children at will. Bombing entire blocks at a time. That is what the world is watching and commenting on.

This will not be forgotten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/24/biden-says-he-did-not-ask-for-a-ceasefire-in-call-with-netanyahu-video

Oh really, didn’t celebrate did they? Palestinians flooded the streets on October 7 in jubilation https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate-october-seven-massacre-hand-out-sweets-fire-guns. You reap what you sow. Also, how does one go after Hamas tactfully? Does saying please and thank you, sufficient?

Tactically and tactfully don't mean the same thing, the pp probably did not intend the interpretion you rolled with.

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine.

Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action.

There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with.

Only 1 baby is on the Israeli death toll. What happened to the 40 babies that were beheaded by Hamas?

First of all, you’re wrong and you’re reading fake news.

Second, what about the misfired Palestinian missile that “hit a hospital” and was blamed on Israel for killing hundreds? Turns out it wasn’t fired by Israel, didn’t hit a hospital, didn’t kill hundreds.

Stop deflecting. Israel has destroyed EVERY HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER in Gaza.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

Israel is the agressor. Israeli’s are the terrorists now. Deal with it

Your side is losing. Deal with that. You danced in the streets on October 7 but are crying now. Don’t F with Israel again.

No one danced in the street on oct 7 - but obviously you’ve convinced yourself of that because you need to perpetually be the victim as well as the agressor.

Secondly i dont care about who wins - israel was always going to outgun Palestine with NO ARMY and israel being completely propped up by daddy genocide joe.

What could have gone differently is that israel could have gone after hamas tactfully and treated innocent Palestinians within the boundaries of the geneva convention.

BUT

israel has gone full insanity and is killing babies women children at will. Bombing entire blocks at a time. That is what the world is watching and commenting on.

This will not be forgotten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/24/biden-says-he-did-not-ask-for-a-ceasefire-in-call-with-netanyahu-video

Say what you want to say, think what you want to think, but don’t lie. Palestinians were literally dancing in the streets celebrating 10/7 - they filmed and posted it themselves. Their supporters around the globe posted gleeful posts, celebrating the butchering and rapes of Israeli women, children, and elderly. And then there are the myriad marches in the US and else where where Hamas supporters praised the exploits of the terrorists and openly waived swastikas and other anti-Semitic messages. A lot of this was filmed by participants themselves - they were proud of it. So yes, there was celebration.

[Anonymous]

Same as the celebrations by the IDF when they murder innocent kids?

I remember the EDM IDF rave and of course the lovely people that watched the early gaza bombings and cheered from their folding chairs.

Oh and the soldier that dedicated his kills to his daughter.

Oh and the rabbis signing missles in sharpie before they are launched.

You mean celebrate like that?!

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine.

Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action.

There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with.

Only 1 baby is on the Israeli death toll. What happened to the 40 babies that were beheaded by Hamas?

First of all, you’re wrong and you’re reading fake news.

Second, what about the misfired Palestinian missile that “hit a hospital” and was blamed on Israel for killing hundreds? Turns out it wasn’t fired by Israel, didn’t hit a hospital, didn’t kill hundreds.

Stop deflecting. Israel has destroyed EVERY HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER in Gaza.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

Israel is the agressor. Israeli’s are the terrorists now. Deal with it

Your side is losing. Deal with that. You danced in the streets on October 7 but are crying now. Don’t F with Israel again.

No one danced in the street on oct 7 - but obviously you’ve convinced yourself of that because you need to perpetually be the victim as well as the agressor.

Secondly i dont care about who wins - israel was always going to outgun Palestine with NO ARMY and israel being completely propped up by daddy genocide joe.

What could have gone differently is that israel could have gone after hamas tactfully and treated innocent Palestinians within the boundaries of the geneva convention.

BUT

israel has gone full insanity and is killing babies women children at will. Bombing entire blocks at a time. That is what the world is watching and commenting on.

This will not be forgotten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/24/biden-says-he-did-not-ask-for-a-ceasefire-in-call-with-netanyahu-video

Oh really, didn’t celebrate did they? Palestinians flooded the streets on October 7 in jubilation https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate-october-seven-massacre-hand-out-sweets-fire-guns. You reap what you sow. Also, how does one go after Hamas tactfully? Does saying please and thank you, sufficient?

Tactically and tactfully don't mean the same thing, the pp probably did not intend the interpretion you rolled with.

He wrote tactfully, so I am rolling with what tactfully actually means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same as the celebrations by the IDF when they murder innocent kids?

I remember the EDM IDF rave and of course the lovely people that watched the early gaza bombings and cheered from their folding chairs.

Oh and the soldier that dedicated his kills to his daughter.

Oh and the rabbis signing missles in sharpie before they are launched.

You mean celebrate like that?!

No I mean like Gazan “civilians” running in the streets and spitting at half naked dead girls, stomping, kicking, hitting innocent Israelis, and dancing on the streets. Can’t imagine Israelis being so middle ages barbaric.

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine.

Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action.

There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with.

Only 1 baby is on the Israeli death toll. What happened to the 40 babies that were beheaded by Hamas?

First of all, you’re wrong and you’re reading fake news.

Second, what about the misfired Palestinian missile that “hit a hospital” and was blamed on Israel for killing hundreds? Turns out it wasn’t fired by Israel, didn’t hit a hospital, didn’t kill hundreds.

Stop deflecting. Israel has destroyed EVERY HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER in Gaza.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

Israel is the agressor. Israeli’s are the terrorists now. Deal with it

Your side is losing. Deal with that. You danced in the streets on October 7 but are crying now. Don’t F with Israel again.

No one danced in the street on oct 7 - but obviously you’ve convinced yourself of that because you need to perpetually be the victim as well as the agressor.

Secondly i dont care about who wins - israel was always going to outgun Palestine with NO ARMY and israel being completely propped up by daddy genocide joe.

What could have gone differently is that israel could have gone after hamas tactfully and treated innocent Palestinians within the boundaries of the geneva convention.

BUT

israel has gone full insanity and is killing babies women children at will. Bombing entire blocks at a time. That is what the world is watching and commenting on.

This will not be forgotten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/24/biden-says-he-did-not-ask-for-a-ceasefire-in-call-with-netanyahu-video

Oh really, didn’t celebrate did they? Palestinians flooded the streets on October 7 in jubilation https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate-october-seven-massacre-hand-out-sweets-fire-guns. You reap what you sow. Also, how does one go after Hamas tactfully? Does saying please and thank you, sufficient?

Tactically and tactfully don't mean the same thing, the pp probably did not intend the interpretion you rolled with.

He wrote tactfully, so I am rolling with what tactfully actually means.

It’s she, and PP is right i meant tactically. This is not how modern warfare is done. This has been the highest number of murdered children in two months EVER.

More bombs have been dropped than ever seen.

Whats become clear is that israel views all Palestinians from womb to wheelchair as hamas. It shows the current complete brainwashing of Israelis. They are without any moral compass.

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

I think Israel’s actions created Hamas and its continued actions will foster the next generation of Hamas or another generation with even more hatred in their heart and soul.

Bingo. Now we’re talking real truth. How can you not say you’re antisemitic when you read the above? Israel is to blame for a terrorist organization being voted into place by Gazan citizens? Can we just agree to blame Jews for every evil in the world?

I can sympathize when people say they support a ceasefire in support of saving lives IF you still want to take out Hamas. But to start blaming Israel for everything that Palestine has become? This is when you need history lessons on how Israel was created and what Palestinians have done over the last 75 years to build themselves up as a people (spoiler alert - they’ve done Jack shit because their only goal is to eliminate the state of Israel, not to educate themselves or use billions in aid to support the positive growth of their own citizens). They’ve been offered two state solutions but they want nothing other than complete elimination of Israel and Israelis. They’ve been given billions in aid annually but continue to vote for a government that focuses more on building tunnels and bombs rather than help their citizens. And their schoolbooks teach them not to pursue becoming a doctor or engineer or lawyer, but rather a jihadist and martyr.

But no, none of that is on them. It’s all the Jews fault. The Jews should just line up next to the pits and allow themselves to be executed. Then the Palestinians can be allowed the whole land of Israel and run it into the ground, and then who will they blame? The Americans, just like Bin Ladin.

DP. I am sure you sincerely believe what you wrote and nothing I am going to post on this forum is going to change your world view but I do need to reply anyway.

First, I’m Jewish. My ancestors came to the US fleeing the Ukrainian Pogroms at the turn of the 19th century. I am not anti semitic in any way, shape or form.

Acknowledging the historical and current harm that Israel has inflicted on the Palestinian people has nothing to do my feelings about Judaism or those who are Jewish. Just like my acknowledgement of the historical and current harm that Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups have inflicted on Israelis has nothing to do with my feelings about Islam/Muslims.

In 1948 Israel drove hundreds of thousands of people away from their homes. Since then Palestinians have sought the right of return. They don’t want a two state solution. They don’t want peaceful self government in Gaza. They want to return to their homes (many of which were subsequently destroyed to create room for Israeli farmland and settlements). Of course Israel had its reasons to push the Palestinians from their land in 1948 but those actions are what fanned the flame of hatred that created Hamas. Israel’s actions now are doing nothing to stop that hatred from continuing to the next generation.

I don’t have a solution. The crux of the problem is there are two groups wanting the same land. What is your solution? That Palestinians should just give up their claim? That is just not going to happen. Zionists came back after thousands of years to reclaim their ancestral land. The Palestinian claim is just as strong (many would say stronger).

Did your ancestors have the right of return to Ukraine? Did Jews liberated from the camps have the right of return? No. Displacements happen all over the world, but if you continue to live a pipe dream of something that will never happen, you will never build anything new. I wish instead of wanting ti return to homes that no longer exist, Palestinians would delineate the future that they want to see, the one that has Israel in it. Until they do that there is not going to be a Palestinian state.

You seem very matter-of-fact and peachy keen with the idea of forced displacements being a natural phenomena, but many who share that view vis-a-vis Palestinian refugees are hysterical when it comes to their perceived view that others are supportive of the idea that Israel should be displaced as a nation state.

How do they (maybe you?) reconcile those inconsistent views?

It doesn’t need to be reconciled. Negotiations are grounded in realities. Ukraine is not getting Crimea back. Armenia is not getting Nagorny Karabach back. Japan is not getting Kuril Islands back. Mexico is not getting Texas back, and Palestinians are not getting Israel back . When people accept reality and stop living in denial and fantasy worlds, they can move forward and build something.

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Anonymous wrote:Same as the celebrations by the IDF when they murder innocent kids?

I remember the EDM IDF rave and of course the lovely people that watched the early gaza bombings and cheered from their folding chairs.

Oh and the soldier that dedicated his kills to his daughter.

Oh and the rabbis signing missles in sharpie before they are launched.

You mean celebrate like that?!

No I mean like Gazan “civilians” running in the streets and spitting at half naked dead girls, stomping, kicking, hitting innocent Israelis, and dancing on the streets. Can’t imagine Israelis being so middle ages barbaric.

Oh that’s right, a gazan can’t be a civilian./s


What about the IDF letting dogs maul wheelchair bound patients to death?

But oh right …
Rapes! Hamas! Beheadings! Rinse repeat

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine.

Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action.

There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with.

Only 1 baby is on the Israeli death toll. What happened to the 40 babies that were beheaded by Hamas?

First of all, you’re wrong and you’re reading fake news.

Second, what about the misfired Palestinian missile that “hit a hospital” and was blamed on Israel for killing hundreds? Turns out it wasn’t fired by Israel, didn’t hit a hospital, didn’t kill hundreds.

Stop deflecting. Israel has destroyed EVERY HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER in Gaza.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

Israel is the agressor. Israeli’s are the terrorists now. Deal with it

Your side is losing. Deal with that. You danced in the streets on October 7 but are crying now. Don’t F with Israel again.

No one danced in the street on oct 7 - but obviously you’ve convinced yourself of that because you need to perpetually be the victim as well as the agressor.

Secondly i dont care about who wins - israel was always going to outgun Palestine with NO ARMY and israel being completely propped up by daddy genocide joe.

What could have gone differently is that israel could have gone after hamas tactfully and treated innocent Palestinians within the boundaries of the geneva convention.

BUT

israel has gone full insanity and is killing babies women children at will. Bombing entire blocks at a time. That is what the world is watching and commenting on.

This will not be forgotten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/24/biden-says-he-did-not-ask-for-a-ceasefire-in-call-with-netanyahu-video

Oh really, didn’t celebrate did they? Palestinians flooded the streets on October 7 in jubilation https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate-october-seven-massacre-hand-out-sweets-fire-guns. You reap what you sow. Also, how does one go after Hamas tactfully? Does saying please and thank you, sufficient?

Tactically and tactfully don't mean the same thing, the pp probably did not intend the interpretion you rolled with.

He wrote tactfully, so I am rolling with what tactfully actually means.

It’s she, and PP is right i meant tactically. This is not how modern warfare is done. This has been the highest number of murdered children in two months EVER.

More bombs have been dropped than ever seen.

Whats become clear is that israel views all Palestinians from womb to wheelchair as hamas. It shows the current complete brainwashing of Israelis. They are without any moral compass.

Your she/he designation is of little relevance to this conversation. And Palestinians see Israelis womb to wheelchair as occupiers. Comity mass rapes, murders, and kidnappings. The civilian population largely supports Hamas. One of the killed hostages, Vivian Silver, led a march for peace on October 6. She was killed by Hamas on October 7. Peace activism only gets you so far. October 7 will push Israeli society further to the right. Neither side is going to forget.

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine.

Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action.

There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with.

Only 1 baby is on the Israeli death toll. What happened to the 40 babies that were beheaded by Hamas?

First of all, you’re wrong and you’re reading fake news.

Second, what about the misfired Palestinian missile that “hit a hospital” and was blamed on Israel for killing hundreds? Turns out it wasn’t fired by Israel, didn’t hit a hospital, didn’t kill hundreds.

Stop deflecting. Israel has destroyed EVERY HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER in Gaza.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

Israel is the agressor. Israeli’s are the terrorists now. Deal with it

Your side is losing. Deal with that. You danced in the streets on October 7 but are crying now. Don’t F with Israel again.

No one danced in the street on oct 7 - but obviously you’ve convinced yourself of that because you need to perpetually be the victim as well as the agressor.

Secondly i dont care about who wins - israel was always going to outgun Palestine with NO ARMY and israel being completely propped up by daddy genocide joe.

What could have gone differently is that israel could have gone after hamas tactfully and treated innocent Palestinians within the boundaries of the geneva convention.

BUT

israel has gone full insanity and is killing babies women children at will. Bombing entire blocks at a time. That is what the world is watching and commenting on.

This will not be forgotten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/24/biden-says-he-did-not-ask-for-a-ceasefire-in-call-with-netanyahu-video

Np here. Yes, thousands danced in the streets. You just chose to ignore those videos and reports. I found it appalling and lost sympathy for the "innocent" civilians who chose to align themselves with Hamas (their words and signs were clear). Why wasn't the world watching then?

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Anonymous wrote:Same as the celebrations by the IDF when they murder innocent kids?

I remember the EDM IDF rave and of course the lovely people that watched the early gaza bombings and cheered from their folding chairs.

Oh and the soldier that dedicated his kills to his daughter.

Oh and the rabbis signing missles in sharpie before they are launched.

You mean celebrate like that?!

No I mean like Gazan “civilians” running in the streets and spitting at half naked dead girls, stomping, kicking, hitting innocent Israelis, and dancing on the streets. Can’t imagine Israelis being so middle ages barbaric.

Oh that’s right, a gazan can’t be a civilian./s


What about the IDF letting dogs maul wheelchair bound patients to death?

But oh right …
Rapes! Hamas! Beheadings! Rinse repeat

Oh now it’s patients? Instead of one patient as in CNN report? You can deny rapes and beheadings until the moon turns red, the world sees you for what you are, stuck in the middle ages barbarians.

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine.

Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action.

There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with.

Only 1 baby is on the Israeli death toll. What happened to the 40 babies that were beheaded by Hamas?

First of all, you’re wrong and you’re reading fake news.

Second, what about the misfired Palestinian missile that “hit a hospital” and was blamed on Israel for killing hundreds? Turns out it wasn’t fired by Israel, didn’t hit a hospital, didn’t kill hundreds.

Stop deflecting. Israel has destroyed EVERY HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER in Gaza.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

Israel is the agressor. Israeli’s are the terrorists now. Deal with it

Your side is losing. Deal with that. You danced in the streets on October 7 but are crying now. Don’t F with Israel again.

No one danced in the street on oct 7 - but obviously you’ve convinced yourself of that because you need to perpetually be the victim as well as the agressor.

Secondly i dont care about who wins - israel was always going to outgun Palestine with NO ARMY and israel being completely propped up by daddy genocide joe.

What could have gone differently is that israel could have gone after hamas tactfully and treated innocent Palestinians within the boundaries of the geneva convention.

BUT

israel has gone full insanity and is killing babies women children at will. Bombing entire blocks at a time. That is what the world is watching and commenting on.

This will not be forgotten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/24/biden-says-he-did-not-ask-for-a-ceasefire-in-call-with-netanyahu-video

Oh really, didn’t celebrate did they? Palestinians flooded the streets on October 7 in jubilation https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate-october-seven-massacre-hand-out-sweets-fire-guns. You reap what you sow. Also, how does one go after Hamas tactfully? Does saying please and thank you, sufficient?

Tactically and tactfully don't mean the same thing, the pp probably did not intend the interpretion you rolled with.

He wrote tactfully, so I am rolling with what tactfully actually means.

It’s she, and PP is right i meant tactically. This is not how modern warfare is done. This has been the highest number of murdered children in two months EVER.

More bombs have been dropped than ever seen.

Whats become clear is that israel views all Palestinians from womb to wheelchair as hamas. It shows the current complete brainwashing of Israelis. They are without any moral compass.

Your she/he designation is of little relevance to this conversation. And Palestinians see Israelis womb to wheelchair as occupiers. Comity mass rapes, murders, and kidnappings. The civilian population largely supports Hamas. One of the killed hostages, Vivian Silver, led a march for peace on October 6. She was killed by Hamas on October 7. Peace activism only gets you so far. October 7 will push Israeli society further to the right. Neither side is going to forget.

Bibi supported hamas for years… your point?

No do all the innocent (8000!) kids that have been blown to bits. I’m sure they were also wonderful people.

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine.

Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action.

There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with.

Only 1 baby is on the Israeli death toll. What happened to the 40 babies that were beheaded by Hamas?

First of all, you’re wrong and you’re reading fake news.

Second, what about the misfired Palestinian missile that “hit a hospital” and was blamed on Israel for killing hundreds? Turns out it wasn’t fired by Israel, didn’t hit a hospital, didn’t kill hundreds.

Stop deflecting. Israel has destroyed EVERY HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER in Gaza.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

Israel is the agressor. Israeli’s are the terrorists now. Deal with it

Your side is losing. Deal with that. You danced in the streets on October 7 but are crying now. Don’t F with Israel again.

No one danced in the street on oct 7 - but obviously you’ve convinced yourself of that because you need to perpetually be the victim as well as the agressor.

Secondly i dont care about who wins - israel was always going to outgun Palestine with NO ARMY and israel being completely propped up by daddy genocide joe.

What could have gone differently is that israel could have gone after hamas tactfully and treated innocent Palestinians within the boundaries of the geneva convention.

BUT

israel has gone full insanity and is killing babies women children at will. Bombing entire blocks at a time. That is what the world is watching and commenting on.

This will not be forgotten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/24/biden-says-he-did-not-ask-for-a-ceasefire-in-call-with-netanyahu-video

Oh really, didn’t celebrate did they? Palestinians flooded the streets on October 7 in jubilation https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate-october-seven-massacre-hand-out-sweets-fire-guns. You reap what you sow. Also, how does one go after Hamas tactfully? Does saying please and thank you, sufficient?

Tactically and tactfully don't mean the same thing, the pp probably did not intend the interpretion you rolled with.

He wrote tactfully, so I am rolling with what tactfully actually means.

It’s she, and PP is right i meant tactically. This is not how modern warfare is done. This has been the highest number of murdered children in two months EVER.

More bombs have been dropped than ever seen.

Whats become clear is that israel views all Palestinians from womb to wheelchair as hamas. It shows the current complete brainwashing of Israelis. They are without any moral compass.

Your she/he designation is of little relevance to this conversation. And Palestinians see Israelis womb to wheelchair as occupiers. Comity mass rapes, murders, and kidnappings. The civilian population largely supports Hamas. One of the killed hostages, Vivian Silver, led a march for peace on October 6. She was killed by Hamas on October 7. Peace activism only gets you so far. October 7 will push Israeli society further to the right. Neither side is going to forget.

Bibi supported hamas for years… your point?

No do all the innocent (8000!) kids that have been blown to bits. I’m sure they were also wonderful people.

What’s your point about Bibi? Did he somehow magically use Jewish space lasers to make Gazans and the Wb celebrate October 7 in the streets?

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Anonymous wrote:Dare to criticize Israel's policies and actions, get doxxed, cancelled and labeled an anti-semite. It's outrageous that we've allowed this sacred cow malignancy to get to this point, but here we are, unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/23/opinions/israel-gaza-santa-fired-sag-harbor-dorph/index.html

This is so sad. It’s truly out of control and there are so many like minded people who are scared to speak up. I’ve never seen anything like it in my lifetime (Gen X). I never felt any worry of losing my job or being doxxed for supporting BLM or any other social issue. Apparently genocide = antisemitism .

This is not true at all. First off, many people
lost jobs for posting against BLM and other issues and people were very scared of being “cancelled” for not signaling the right virtues. Second, the president of Harvard kept her job after saying it was permissible to call for Jewish genocide “depending on context.”

In fact, the opposite is true — people know better than to speak out against blacks, but want to express antisemitism and hatred of Jews openly and without repercussions.

If someone came to a job interview and told me, “I hate black people, I want them dead,” then I would never hire them. If someone says “from the river to the sea” on their social media, that is the same thing as calling for genocide of Israelis and I wouldn’t hire them either.

This is your opinion but not universally true. Most do not mean anything of the sort. You are free to insist it’s true (even when those who say so tell you that is not what they are saying). You are free to act on your beliefs and discriminate against others based on mistaken beliefs if you must. Your insistence that others act on your beliefs or else be labeled antisemitic is where you cross the line.

Whose line? Your line, internet stranger? My view is that you’re supporting Hamas, terrorism, suicide bombers, Putin (a well established friend of Hamas), and genocide by supporting Hamas.

Innocent Palestinians are not protected by Hamas. Hamas is the enemy of innocent Palestinians.

The world must end Hamas. Sadly, since Hamas doesn’t care about its own people and uses them as shields and steals their aid money for trying to eliminate the state of Israel, then supporting a ceasefire means you are supporting Hamas to continue and refortify. You’re an enemy of innocent Palestinians.

As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians?

Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds.

Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done?

Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine.

Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action.

There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with.

Only 1 baby is on the Israeli death toll. What happened to the 40 babies that were beheaded by Hamas?

First of all, you’re wrong and you’re reading fake news.

Second, what about the misfired Palestinian missile that “hit a hospital” and was blamed on Israel for killing hundreds? Turns out it wasn’t fired by Israel, didn’t hit a hospital, didn’t kill hundreds.

Stop deflecting. Israel has destroyed EVERY HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER in Gaza.

EVERY.SINGLE.ONE.

Israel is the agressor. Israeli’s are the terrorists now. Deal with it

Your side is losing. Deal with that. You danced in the streets on October 7 but are crying now. Don’t F with Israel again.

No one danced in the street on oct 7 - but obviously you’ve convinced yourself of that because you need to perpetually be the victim as well as the agressor.

Secondly i dont care about who wins - israel was always going to outgun Palestine with NO ARMY and israel being completely propped up by daddy genocide joe.

What could have gone differently is that israel could have gone after hamas tactfully and treated innocent Palestinians within the boundaries of the geneva convention.

BUT

israel has gone full insanity and is killing babies women children at will. Bombing entire blocks at a time. That is what the world is watching and commenting on.

This will not be forgotten.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/24/biden-says-he-did-not-ask-for-a-ceasefire-in-call-with-netanyahu-video

Oh really, didn’t celebrate did they? Palestinians flooded the streets on October 7 in jubilation https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate-october-seven-massacre-hand-out-sweets-fire-guns. You reap what you sow. Also, how does one go after Hamas tactfully? Does saying please and thank you, sufficient?

Tactically and tactfully don't mean the same thing, the pp probably did not intend the interpretion you rolled with.

He wrote tactfully, so I am rolling with what tactfully actually means.

It’s she, and PP is right i meant tactically. This is not how modern warfare is done. This has been the highest number of murdered children in two months EVER.

More bombs have been dropped than ever seen.

Whats become clear is that israel views all Palestinians from womb to wheelchair as hamas. It shows the current complete brainwashing of Israelis. They are without any moral compass.

Your she/he designation is of little relevance to this conversation. And Palestinians see Israelis womb to wheelchair as occupiers. Comity mass rapes, murders, and kidnappings. The civilian population largely supports Hamas. One of the killed hostages, Vivian Silver, led a march for peace on October 6. She was killed by Hamas on October 7. Peace activism only gets you so far. October 7 will push Israeli society further to the right. Neither side is going to forget.

Bibi supported hamas for years… your point?

No do all the innocent (8000!) kids that have been blown to bits. I’m sure they were also wonderful people.

What’s your point about Bibi? Did he somehow magically use Jewish space lasers to make Gazans and the Wb celebrate October 7 in the streets?

But if supporting hamas = deserve to be killed en masse, what about Bibi?

These are your words PP