Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:I want to talk about the consensual workplace flirting between Blake and Justin.

Most of Lively-s accusations do not fall within the "flirting" definition, and certainly non consensual:

- Was Jamey Heath "flirting" with Lively when he refused to leave the makeup trailer when she was topless, and refused to look away? If so, it was clearly unwanted.

- Were Heath and Baldoni "flirting" when pressuring Lively to do the birth scene nude, and trying to show her video of Heath's wife giving birth nude? If so, it was not consensual.

- Were Heath and Baldoni "flirting" when they told Lively, on the first day of shooting, how early in their friendship they would "pass" women to one another when they were done dating her? Or joked in front of cast and crew about Lively's assertion that she's never seen porn? If so, it was not consensual.

Baldoni and his lawyer have successfully convinced people that Lively's lone accusation of harassment is the dance scene, where yes, it is debatable whether Baldoni crossed a line there. But even with that scene, no one addresses the fact that when Lively complained about Baldoni's behavior on camera, he told her the he "doesn't even find [Lively] attractive" in his defense. Which is (1) a classic neg to assert dominance, and (2) beside the point because you don't have to be attracted to someone to make them feel uncomfortable.

But sure, let's defer to the "legal experts" at the NY Post, that bastion if journalistic integrity, who have not actually read the complaints and don't even understand what Lively is alleging.

BL strikes me as that girl who walks by a table of co-workers, flashes her breasts as she walks by, teases them about how they prob “all have little boners now,” singles one of them out randomly and makes a crack about “and yours is probably the smallest!” ….but then when the guy fires back to tell her it’s bigger than the soda can she’s holding, she goes straight to HR about how uncomfortable it made her feel.

She sets the stage with unprofessional, spicy, crass banter and then uses it to turn the tables when it will benefit her.

Heath and Baldoni may have been naively lured into thinking that she was perfectly open to discussing scene nudity but I don’t think they weren’t reading the room. I think she just changed the rules whenever it no longer suited her.

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Anonymous wrote:If Justin Baldoni was the director of this movie, why was Blake Lively calling the shots?

It’s a little late in the thread to be this uninformed.
But basically she was love bombing JB from the beginning with flattery and “we are creating somethjng beautiful” talk, and had a plan to insert herself into the move as a producer. She took over wardrobe, flattered her way into “re-writes” for a scene that she wanted to “take a stab at” just to make it “more spicy”….and JB may have allowed it for a bit longer and more than he really wanted to because when you have curated your identity as a “male feminist” then you don’t really want to be accused of shutting out the female lead or of making her unhappy. So essentially he and his team would just try to placate her and when they would give the slightest pushback, she would escalate her antics, and eventually convinced (via coercion) them to let her in the editing room. And then leveraged the writers strike timing and her and RRs relationship with Sony to get more and more control.
It is rumored that RR did a lot of this with Deadpool (basically the same playbook) where you just inch by inch take on a bit more than the acting role for which you are hired, and then once it reaches a certain threshold of involvement with different arenas of filming and production, they have to give you a producer credit. This is why BL was getting herself so involved in wardrobe, dialogue writing, casting, song choice/music, all of it. But she was only hired on as an actress. It was just a massive overstep and her star power was too big to say no without risking offending her.

The biggest unforced error here is that supposedly Wayfarer productions allowed production and filming to start without having an actual SIGNED contract from Blake. So when she started to suggest that she may not promote the film if she didn’t get to edit, they had no leverage. All the leverage was hers.

It certainly does not appear accidental.

I have always been curious about this. Can anyone weigh in on whether this is normal in the industry?

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

I’m PP you’re agreeing with above and that is a really, really great point. Wish I had thought of that. Why, indeed?

Why would Blake lively need to go to the NYT with lies?

Better question: why would Blake Lively file a lawsuit and publicize it in the NYT if it was based on lies? Surely it would be debunked and ruin her career. It doesn't make any sense unless she truly believes her allegations are truthful.

It has been debunked by the plethora of receipts released so far. She never expected Justin to be able to fight back to this level. And she is going down.

Yeah BL and the NYT were exposed once those TikTok sleuths found the embedded timestamp data in the article.

This blowback is very much deserved for both BL and NYT.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.

But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.

It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.

No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.

In the hindsight of what we know now—which is that the trainer then disclosed this to Blake and Ryan, then yes it really wasn’t the best way for him to gtt st this info.
But from JB’s point of view, BL had connected him with this trainer so JB and the trainer had a working relationship. And in the course of discussing his concerns about what his body can/cannot handle, JB asked the trainer if he knew how much BL weighed.
It’s kind of reasonable for JB to expect that the trainer wouldn’t immediately go tattling to BL about that. It’s not like the trainer and JB were just idly gossiping about her weight! It was actually relevant to what he could do in filming and he was mapping it out with the trainer!
She’s a gorgeous woman (which she knows and which JB affirmed many times when she was fishing for compliments via text) but still so insecure that she had to go ballistic about JB discreetly trying to find out this info without asking her directly. Just ridiculous!

I'm the PP and I just want to be clear: I don't think asking the trainer what BL weighs was sexual harassment.

I just think it was stupid and an example of poor management and problem solving skills.

I have worked for/with people like this who don't know how to navigate sensitive subjects and regularly make things much worse by making stupid choices that anyone with a brain could have told them were a bad idea.

In this case, JB didn't even seem to understand that he was actually putting the trainer in a bad position. If BL is his longtime client and it gets back to her that he discussed her weight with a 3rd party? He's fired. Because especially working with a famous client whose appearance gets regularly discussed in tabloids and on gossip sites, something like that would be considered sensitive info. People who work in roles like that are expected to discrete and often even asked to sign agreements that they will not discuss that kind of info with anyone. Celebs regularly get personal info leaked by nannies, housekeepers, pet sitters, assistants, etc.

So the trainer probably felt compelled to tell BL/RR what had happened just so that if they ever found out, they would know he was trustworthy. JB didn't think about this because JB is kind of dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

I’m PP you’re agreeing with above and that is a really, really great point. Wish I had thought of that. Why, indeed?

Why would Blake lively need to go to the NYT with lies?

Better question: why would Blake Lively file a lawsuit and publicize it in the NYT if it was based on lies? Surely it would be debunked and ruin her career. It doesn't make any sense unless she truly believes her allegations are truthful.

It has been debunked by the plethora of receipts released so far. She never expected Justin to be able to fight back to this level. And she is going down.

Yeah BL and the NYT were exposed once those TikTok sleuths found the embedded timestamp data in the article.

This blowback is very much deserved for both BL and NYT.

This has been debunked. The NYTs had receipts to show that the metadata timestamp that online sleuths were saying showed they received a copy of the filing on Dec. 10 was actually generated by Google software and had nothing to do with when the NYT received it.

That allegation always struck me as bizarre because even if Lively shared a version of her complaint with the NYT two weeks before filing, I have a hard time believing that it would be the exact same version of as the one she filed later. A document like that would generally be reviewed by lawyers prior to filing, and if they had two weeks, they would have gone through it with a fine tooth comb (if only to occupy an associate looking to make hours in December!). The complaint actually had some typos and errors in it though, and they are the same in the actual filing and the version the NYT has. That doesn't make sense if they actually had a version from Dec. 10.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.

But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.

It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.

No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.

In the hindsight of what we know now—which is that the trainer then disclosed this to Blake and Ryan, then yes it really wasn’t the best way for him to gtt st this info.
But from JB’s point of view, BL had connected him with this trainer so JB and the trainer had a working relationship. And in the course of discussing his concerns about what his body can/cannot handle, JB asked the trainer if he knew how much BL weighed.
It’s kind of reasonable for JB to expect that the trainer wouldn’t immediately go tattling to BL about that. It’s not like the trainer and JB were just idly gossiping about her weight! It was actually relevant to what he could do in filming and he was mapping it out with the trainer!
She’s a gorgeous woman (which she knows and which JB affirmed many times when she was fishing for compliments via text) but still so insecure that she had to go ballistic about JB discreetly trying to find out this info without asking her directly. Just ridiculous!

I'm the PP and I just want to be clear: I don't think asking the trainer what BL weighs was sexual harassment.

I just think it was stupid and an example of poor management and problem solving skills.

I have worked for/with people like this who don't know how to navigate sensitive subjects and regularly make things much worse by making stupid choices that anyone with a brain could have told them were a bad idea.

In this case, JB didn't even seem to understand that he was actually putting the trainer in a bad position. If BL is his longtime client and it gets back to her that he discussed her weight with a 3rd party? He's fired. Because especially working with a famous client whose appearance gets regularly discussed in tabloids and on gossip sites, something like that would be considered sensitive info. People who work in roles like that are expected to discrete and often even asked to sign agreements that they will not discuss that kind of info with anyone. Celebs regularly get personal info leaked by nannies, housekeepers, pet sitters, assistants, etc.

So the trainer probably felt compelled to tell BL/RR what had happened just so that if they ever found out, they would know he was trustworthy. JB didn't think about this because JB is kind of dumb.

Ok I can buy this explanation.

But I’m a little more generous to JB. I don’t think he’s “dumb” but I don’t think he’s savvy either because he just seems to be too naive and trusting. He seems sort of like a pure motives Kum-bah-ya kinda dude who is on this little wave of thinking if he puts out good vibes and positivity then it’ll come back to you. Happpiness and light and synergy and meditation and just naively thinks everything will all work out because my motives are pure like everyone else’s.
His texts seem to reveal this too.
And the fact that his production company failed to secure a signed contract from Blake and just assumed that would all work out just fine and just trusted that she would get to it eventually also reinforces that.
That can be interpreted as dumb. I think it’s more naively charitable.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.

But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.

It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.

No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.

In the hindsight of what we know now—which is that the trainer then disclosed this to Blake and Ryan, then yes it really wasn’t the best way for him to gtt st this info.
But from JB’s point of view, BL had connected him with this trainer so JB and the trainer had a working relationship. And in the course of discussing his concerns about what his body can/cannot handle, JB asked the trainer if he knew how much BL weighed.
It’s kind of reasonable for JB to expect that the trainer wouldn’t immediately go tattling to BL about that. It’s not like the trainer and JB were just idly gossiping about her weight! It was actually relevant to what he could do in filming and he was mapping it out with the trainer!
She’s a gorgeous woman (which she knows and which JB affirmed many times when she was fishing for compliments via text) but still so insecure that she had to go ballistic about JB discreetly trying to find out this info without asking her directly. Just ridiculous!

I'm the PP and I just want to be clear: I don't think asking the trainer what BL weighs was sexual harassment.

I just think it was stupid and an example of poor management and problem solving skills.

I have worked for/with people like this who don't know how to navigate sensitive subjects and regularly make things much worse by making stupid choices that anyone with a brain could have told them were a bad idea.

In this case, JB didn't even seem to understand that he was actually putting the trainer in a bad position. If BL is his longtime client and it gets back to her that he discussed her weight with a 3rd party? He's fired. Because especially working with a famous client whose appearance gets regularly discussed in tabloids and on gossip sites, something like that would be considered sensitive info. People who work in roles like that are expected to discrete and often even asked to sign agreements that they will not discuss that kind of info with anyone. Celebs regularly get personal info leaked by nannies, housekeepers, pet sitters, assistants, etc.

So the trainer probably felt compelled to tell BL/RR what had happened just so that if they ever found out, they would know he was trustworthy. JB didn't think about this because JB is kind of dumb.

Ok I can buy this explanation.

But I’m a little more generous to JB. I don’t think he’s “dumb” but I don’t think he’s savvy either because he just seems to be too naive and trusting. He seems sort of like a pure motives Kum-bah-ya kinda dude who is on this little wave of thinking if he puts out good vibes and positivity then it’ll come back to you. Happpiness and light and synergy and meditation and just naively thinks everything will all work out because my motives are pure like everyone else’s.
His texts seem to reveal this too.
And the fact that his production company failed to secure a signed contract from Blake and just assumed that would all work out just fine and just trusted that she would get to it eventually also reinforces that.
That can be interpreted as dumb. I think it’s more naively charitable.

I think it's dumb in the context of being the director/producer of a movie and handling talent that way.

Again, I've worked for/with people like this. They create problems because being "naive" when you are in charge and lots of people are counting on you to keep things running smoothly translates to being a bad boss. It means you aren't thinking strategically about what is best for the organization or project and you will create messes for your colleagues to clean up simply by not be smart enough to think through the consequences of your actions.

I also struggle with this because Heath is also accused of doing some very stupid things (like insisting on staying in BL's trailer when she was topless even after she asked him to leave) and I think it's harder for him to claim he is "naive." He's 55 years old. He should have been the one helping Baldoni be more strategic and smart about his choices, but he's in there also doing dumb things.

I don't think they were trying to harass anyone but I think they ran a really unprofessional production. I hate working for people like this and am now, in my mid-40s, more skilled at recognizing them in advance and avoiding.

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Anonymous wrote:Thought this was interesting. Liz Plank, who cohosted the Man Enough podcast with Baldoni and Heath for years and has said nothing publicly about the Lively/Baldoni situation since formally quitting the podcast right after the NYT story, posted this video on TikTok last week:

https://www.tiktok.com/@lizplank/video/7466248157081472299

Basically she's just pointing out that no one should get their news from Candace Owens (and she's right). It's not a commentary on the case but a pretty useful reminder for anyone who wants to seize on the Candace Owens commentary on this situation.

(But also it is killing me that she has said nothing about this situation either way -- what does she think???? I would love her unfiltered opinion on all of it considering her close relationship with Baldoni and Heath and the fact that they discussed ALL of these issues on the podcast at some point -- consent, power dynamics in relationships, how women are treated in media, etc.)

I mean I get it.
But 1–Candace isnt “news” and isn’t claiming to be. She’s just fascinated with the saga, and has been reading through the evidence and piecing together the timeline. And like her or not, she’s been super thorough—so that’s why her site is attracting viewers on this issue. (And she points out constantly that she has zero in common ideologically with Justin, doesn’t know him, and has no reason to support him other than the fact that he appears to have been ostracized, humiliated, and railroaded for no reason other than that BL and RR wanted his film)
2–Candace has pointed out that she thinks it’s super-smarmy of all these people to immediately abandon JB over these allegations. Especially Liz Plank who is supposedly good friends with him. So of course Liz Plank is gonna tell people not to listen to her!
3–Candace is pretty consistent on speaking out on injustice. But you don’t have to like her to enjoy the commentary. If it turns out there is any evidence AT ALL that JB is guilty of any SH, Candace would not suddenly bend over backward to support him. I’m sure JB doesn’t care about Candace and they’d disagree about probably everything (except Gaza/Palestine and his situation with BL/RR)

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether when all of this is over whether Baldoni will go back to a public facing feminist role, or whether he will naturally make a hard right turn that sometimes happens when the feminism was fake to begin with. Kind of like Milo Yannapolis, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand and their ilk — initially gained attention for being male feminists and then sh!t got real.

Maybe this has changed his view on feminism. He’s gotten totally screwed over with false allegations.

Alternatively, maybe Big Man got called on some of his sexist bullish!t and harassment such as insisting on sex scenes and nudity from a costar who hadn’t signed up for that, and maybe mentally he just couldn’t cope with that when he had built his entire public image on being a male feminist who supported women. Seems like that story was coming crashing down. So I wonder whether he will try to rebuild it if he sincerely believes that way, or if he will go the other way if it was never really heartfelt but kinda just a prop from the start to get attention.

Justin Baldoni is currently winning the PR war because it looks like he worked for years on the film and then Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds tried to take over his project. Blake and Ryan look like bullies as a result and they are taking a bigger hit reputation wise. Ryan, especially, comes off like a control freak.

Or just maybe he is winning part of the PR war because he hired people to lie and plant stories on his behalf, same way Johnny Depp destroyed Heard. Maybe Baldoni is actually an anxious, indecisive fake feminist who was in way over his head and never should have been both directing in and starring in a film requiring him to handle high pressure situations that he didn’t have enough brainpower or emotional intelligence to deal with. That’s a possibility, too.

What does any of that have to do with sexually harrassing someone.

The good thing is Blake Lively wasn’t sexually harassed by anyone. She lied about her director coming on to her because she via representatives claimed there was no audio to a scene and she lied about what he said. Because she’s a liar. A liar who celebrated the antebellum south and got married at a plantation and ignored people who criticized that. Tell me, is that more or less relevant than the controversy regarding a right wing nut job? Is it more relevant if Candace Owens tells lies…or if Blake Lively tells lies?

+1! They have nothing. Ad hominem attacks on Mrs. Owens is sour grapes because Owens’ autopsies are so good and going so viral. I have never and will never watch a second of Owens political commentary but devoured all of her Lively segments because they are so sharp and funny.

Aw, if you “devoured” this Lively work I’m sure if you give her political pieces a try you will find you actually have quite a few other things you agree with Owens on. Don’t count yourself out!

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A little off topic but wow

100M in punitive damages?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-defamation-juror-would-have-awarded-navy-veteran-up-100-million-before-settlement-reached

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^^ the NYT better be careful here

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

I’m PP you’re agreeing with above and that is a really, really great point. Wish I had thought of that. Why, indeed?

Why would Blake lively need to go to the NYT with lies?

Better question: why would Blake Lively file a lawsuit and publicize it in the NYT if it was based on lies? Surely it would be debunked and ruin her career. It doesn't make any sense unless she truly believes her allegations are truthful.

It has been debunked by the plethora of receipts released so far. She never expected Justin to be able to fight back to this level. And she is going down.

Yeah BL and the NYT were exposed once those TikTok sleuths found the embedded timestamp data in the article.

This blowback is very much deserved for both BL and NYT.

This has been debunked. The NYTs had receipts to show that the metadata timestamp that online sleuths were saying showed they received a copy of the filing on Dec. 10 was actually generated by Google software and had nothing to do with when the NYT received it.

That allegation always struck me as bizarre because even if Lively shared a version of her complaint with the NYT two weeks before filing, I have a hard time believing that it would be the exact same version of as the one she filed later. A document like that would generally be reviewed by lawyers prior to filing, and if they had two weeks, they would have gone through it with a fine tooth comb (if only to occupy an associate looking to make hours in December!). The complaint actually had some typos and errors in it though, and they are the same in the actual filing and the version the NYT has. That doesn't make sense if they actually had a version from Dec. 10.

Clients always receive at least one copy of the complaint for review. Maybe she handed it straight to the NYT.

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Anonymous wrote:If Justin Baldoni was the director of this movie, why was Blake Lively calling the shots?

It’s a little late in the thread to be this uninformed.
But basically she was love bombing JB from the beginning with flattery and “we are creating somethjng beautiful” talk, and had a plan to insert herself into the move as a producer. She took over wardrobe, flattered her way into “re-writes” for a scene that she wanted to “take a stab at” just to make it “more spicy”….and JB may have allowed it for a bit longer and more than he really wanted to because when you have curated your identity as a “male feminist” then you don’t really want to be accused of shutting out the female lead or of making her unhappy. So essentially he and his team would just try to placate her and when they would give the slightest pushback, she would escalate her antics, and eventually convinced (via coercion) them to let her in the editing room. And then leveraged the writers strike timing and her and RRs relationship with Sony to get more and more control.
It is rumored that RR did a lot of this with Deadpool (basically the same playbook) where you just inch by inch take on a bit more than the acting role for which you are hired, and then once it reaches a certain threshold of involvement with different arenas of filming and production, they have to give you a producer credit. This is why BL was getting herself so involved in wardrobe, dialogue writing, casting, song choice/music, all of it. But she was only hired on as an actress. It was just a massive overstep and her star power was too big to say no without risking offending her.

The biggest unforced error here is that supposedly Wayfarer productions allowed production and filming to start without having an actual SIGNED contract from Blake. So when she started to suggest that she may not promote the film if she didn’t get to edit, they had no leverage. All the leverage was hers.

It certainly does not appear accidental.

Really nice write up PP.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ the NYT better be careful here

Good. You can’t just write unverified allegations from a crazy person about people which would in turn ruin their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

I have no idea about Justin’s feminism and whether or not he is a good guy. Blake and Ryan tried to destroy him and Jamey heath. If I were in their shoes I would try and destroy them right back. When you make false accusations like this the gloves are off.

Ok but he signed a document saying he wouldn't retaliate against Lively. If he hired PR specifically to "destroy" Lively he will lose his lawsuit, even if you think he had a right to do that. He said he wouldn't.

So you think she should use her dragons and destroy him and he should just do nothing? I don’t think he signed a paper promising that lol.

The multiple people arguing with you have been super clear about this. Hollywood has hundreds or PR firms and dozens of very excellent ones. There was no need to hire precisely the same PR firms that planted stories to destroy Heard, if you actually have any feminist ideals. Seems like you also wouldn’t want to send your people a story about another woman being taken out by questionable PR and say “hey this is the kind of thing we need.” Seems like you’re specifically focused on some sort of male vengeance at that point that would seem to run counter to actual feminism, but ymmv I guess.

Also no reason to hire Nathan if you are actually innocent. Depp hired Nathan because Depp is a violent alcoholic and Heard had him on video going into violent tirades. Depp could not win in the court of public opinion without dirty tricks because Depp was/is a pretty crappy person who treated his ex-wife very badly. There wasn't much to work with there.

If Baldoni is such a great guy and the allegations were totally false, he doesn't need Nathan doing dirty tricks for him. He can hire someone one the up and up who will promote what a good guy his is with all the copious evidence at their disposal.

Nathan's specialty is smearing the opposition because it's the only way out of getting pinned with viable accusations. Why would Baldoni need that?

I’m PP you’re agreeing with above and that is a really, really great point. Wish I had thought of that. Why, indeed?

Why would Blake lively need to go to the NYT with lies?

Better question: why would Blake Lively file a lawsuit and publicize it in the NYT if it was based on lies? Surely it would be debunked and ruin her career. It doesn't make any sense unless she truly believes her allegations are truthful.

It has been debunked by the plethora of receipts released so far. She never expected Justin to be able to fight back to this level. And she is going down.

Yeah BL and the NYT were exposed once those TikTok sleuths found the embedded timestamp data in the article.

This blowback is very much deserved for both BL and NYT.

This has been debunked. The NYTs had receipts to show that the metadata timestamp that online sleuths were saying showed they received a copy of the filing on Dec. 10 was actually generated by Google software and had nothing to do with when the NYT received it.

That allegation always struck me as bizarre because even if Lively shared a version of her complaint with the NYT two weeks before filing, I have a hard time believing that it would be the exact same version of as the one she filed later. A document like that would generally be reviewed by lawyers prior to filing, and if they had two weeks, they would have gone through it with a fine tooth comb (if only to occupy an associate looking to make hours in December!). The complaint actually had some typos and errors in it though, and they are the same in the actual filing and the version the NYT has. That doesn't make sense if they actually had a version from Dec. 10.

Clients always receive at least one copy of the complaint for review. Maybe she handed it straight to the NYT.

13 days before filing? And the lawyers made zero changes in that time? It doesn't make sense.

Plus I'm sure the NYT's evidence of when they received it and all their communications with Lively are pretty firm, and they likely have IT experts who can testify to it, or they wouldn't have publicly denied this do firmly.

This was just an example internet rumor based on some people who thought they'd caught the NYT with something but it's been debunked. Sorry.