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My whole life I've been pro-Israel but the response to the Hamas terrorist attack has me reconsidering my attitude.
Not unlike how billions of people reconsidered their attitude toward USA when we lost our minds after 9/11. |
As opposed to whom? Who do you believe to be the friend of innocent Palestinians? Because if you say “Israel” you can see yourself right out. A ceasefire means that a few days go by where children don’t die in their beds. |
Israel is disgusting for spewing this PR nonsense while it murders THOUSANDS of Palestinian kids. #deplorable #sycophants |
Israel never had a moral high ground. |
Shorter term pain for longer term gain for the people as whole. History is rife with conflicts resulting in the death of innocents and it is heartbreaking for everyone involved. But Hamas must be removed for the sake of humanity. Do you disagree that Hamas must be removed? How do you think it can be done? |
Israel had no problem supporting Hamas pre 10/7. In fact, deplorable Bibi made sure to align himself with Hamas to further his agenda of blocking a two state solution. So it's rich that after 10/7 Bibi, Israel and the pro Israel dummies keep acting like Israel wasn't in bed with the devil when it suited their goals. When you lie with dogs and get fleas, don't blame the dogs. |
Hamas can (and should be) removed with targeted, precision strikes particularly against their leadership. Deny them a massive recruiting tool of the last months AND make them a less attractive option. You’ll recall after the Munich Olympics, the Israeli response wasn’t 2000lb bombs dropped on children? I think Israel would have overwhelming international support for such action. They would have mine. Now let’s talk about these innocent deaths you consider heartbreaking “for all involved”. If something is heartbreaking and entirely avoidable, then you stop it. Since there’s no stopping in sight, it’s clear that we’re not supposed to be “heartbroken” by the death of innocent babies in hospital beds. And that we’re *not* supposed to look at that and demand it stop is a real condemnation of those who support the current action. |
There are over a hundred hostages still being held. Innocent israeli babies were killed too and it was celebrated in the streets worldwide. The suffering is on both sides and ongoing. Consider who you’re aligning yourself with. |
Are you a war expert and do you know how to do these targeted strikes? If so, I think that’s great and you should share that knowledge. Because what I’m seeing is that Hamas leadership hides itself amongst the rest of the people so it cannot be separated. Further, aren’t a large proportion of regular Gazans supportive of Hamas? Didn’t they also kidnap innocent Israeli civilians? Aren’t their children educated to execute all Jews and move forward with the Infitada? Don’t they want a genocide? How do you separate these would-be terrorists from the innocent civilians? Israel has begged for a two state solution and Hamas/Palestine won’t settle for less. I’m not sure what you think Israel should do here, but stop acting like Palestinian suffering is the only suffering that counts. |
Did you really just type this? You really think that Palestinians who are losing their daughters and sons to Israeli bombs see anything positive in what Israel is doing? |
| Yes, I do. I’ve seen videos of Palestinians crying and cursing Hamas and blaming them for their hunger, suffering and loss. |
Every respected humanitarian organization, every European Ally, the Australians and a vast segment of the U.S population supports a ceasefire. I’m comfortable in my company. |
I think Israel’s actions created Hamas and its continued actions will foster the next generation of Hamas or another generation with even more hatred in their heart and soul. |
Bingo. Now we’re talking real truth. How can you not say you’re antisemitic when you read the above? Israel is to blame for a terrorist organization being voted into place by Gazan citizens? Can we just agree to blame Jews for every evil in the world? I can sympathize when people say they support a ceasefire in support of saving lives IF you still want to take out Hamas. But to start blaming Israel for everything that Palestine has become? This is when you need history lessons on how Israel was created and what Palestinians have done over the last 75 years to build themselves up as a people (spoiler alert - they’ve done Jack shit because their only goal is to eliminate the state of Israel, not to educate themselves or use billions in aid to support the positive growth of their own citizens). They’ve been offered two state solutions but they want nothing other than complete elimination of Israel and Israelis. They’ve been given billions in aid annually but continue to vote for a government that focuses more on building tunnels and bombs rather than help their citizens. And their schoolbooks teach them not to pursue becoming a doctor or engineer or lawyer, but rather a jihadist and martyr. But no, none of that is on them. It’s all the Jews fault. The Jews should just line up next to the pits and allow themselves to be executed. Then the Palestinians can be allowed the whole land of Israel and run it into the ground, and then who will they blame? The Americans, just like Bin Ladin. |
Terrorism is an evil and dysfunctional response to evil and dysfunctional oppression. Not justifying terrorism -- it's always wrong, but it's also always inevitable when there is extreme injustice. In every case in which colonialism has been overthrown, terrorism has played a part. When the oppression ceases, the terrorism fades away. The IRA stopped the terror attacks after the Good Friday Agreement. The ANC stopped using terror after Nelson Mandela's election. If you want to get rid of Hamas or its future incarnations, bring justice to the Palestinians. |