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Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make Tufts appear to be a better school than it is. It’s odd and makes Tufts people just seem deeply insecure.

What does that mean, "better than it is?" This is such an odd discussion. Better than it is based on USNWR ratings? Better than it is based on what criteria?

Better than it is by denigrating other schools in its peer group and saying things like "it's just below the Ivies".

I’m now convinced that this ignorant poster intent on denigrating Tufts and promoting ridiculously incomparable schools is someone who either has a child who did not get into Tufts or a rival or ex whose child is going to Tufts — or some other agenda. Why else waste so much time and effort on this.

What on earth? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Why are schools like USC, NYU, Emory, and BC "ridiculously incomparable schools"? I'm not promoting them. YOU are the one that keeps insisting that Tufts is better than all those schools and more. Get a hold of reality.

For the record, I have zero affiliation with any of the aforementioned schools, and none of my kids even applied to Tufts. I just think the naked boosterism here is embarrassing for you all and worth calling out.

dp. +1. Tufts boosters have a weird chip on their shoulder. They're not nearly as good as they think they are, and should feel confident about how they're rated by most people. Schools like NYU, Emory, Tulane, and BC are absolutely their peers.

ive read through this thread and find the assertion that there are Tufts boosters denigrating other schools odd. My take away from the thread is there are families who choose Tufts for a variety of reasons and are happy with their choice. The thread does not read that Tufts fan’s are trying to make Tufts anymore than the solid school that it is - but it does read that there are folks choosing to participate in this dialogue and speak ill of Tufts for the sake of it. Says way more about the others than it does about the “Tufts boosters.” As is sometimes/often the case with controversial DCUM posts made worse by the anonymous nature of the forum, motivations for participating are illusory at best and strange at worst….

Agreed.

There’s also something subtler going on here. There are the official rankings that list the common knowledge top schools, like the Ivys and the schools that appeal to people in China, and then there’s a more unspoken ranking that comes from a network of elite private schools and people who work in academics. There’s no way to quantify why colleges are on that list. That’s why places like Tufts, Wesleyan University, Vassar, Swarthmore, Haverford etc. might not be high on the USNews rankings but are still competitive among certain groups of people. That’s a different group than those who might see Emory and Tulane as desirable or BC and Northeastern or any other grouping. It’s cultural. So arguing about Tufts versus Emory or Haverford versus BC doesn’t make sense.

I am from a background that most would consider very WASPy (I cringe at using the term because we hate to be so self-referential), and have strong ties to the Northeast, New England private schools, and all the trappings you would expect of such. Tufts has never had the cachet that you claim it does; if anything, its image has always been one of the aloof, not-quite-elite, not-quite-run-of-the-mill step-sibling to the other schools in the Northeast that have always been conventionally coveted. Tufts is viewed quite differently from Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore et al, as those schools derive their social prestige from being small liberal arts colleges. Tufts is certainly not viewed in the same vein as Harvard, MIT, Yale, or even Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell et al. Its closest peers in the region are BC, BU, Brandeis, and Rochester. Looking further afield, I'd throw in Tulane, Wake Forest, and perhaps William & Mary. All are excellent schools in their own right, but Tufts has never had (and does not currently have) quite the reach and pull some are saying it does.

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I am from a background that most would consider very WASPy (I cringe at using the term because we hate to be so self-referential), and have strong ties to the Northeast, New England private schools, and all the trappings you would expect of such. Tufts has never had the cachet that you claim it does; if anything, its image has always been one of the aloof, not-quite-elite, not-quite-run-of-the-mill step-sibling to the other schools in the Northeast that have always been conventionally coveted. Tufts is viewed quite differently from Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore et al, as those schools derive their social prestige from being small liberal arts colleges. Tufts is certainly not viewed in the same vein as Harvard, MIT, Yale, or even Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell et al. Its closest peers in the region are BC, BU, Brandeis, and Rochester. Looking further afield, I'd throw in Tulane, Wake Forest, and perhaps William & Mary. All are excellent schools in their own right, but Tufts has never had (and does not currently have) quite the reach and pull some are saying it does.

But to what end is all this college navel-gazing and subtle ranking? Worthier people? Smarter? I don't get it.

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I am from a background that most would consider very WASPy (I cringe at using the term because we hate to be so self-referential), and have strong ties to the Northeast, New England private schools, and all the trappings you would expect of such. Tufts has never had the cachet that you claim it does; if anything, its image has always been one of the aloof, not-quite-elite, not-quite-run-of-the-mill step-sibling to the other schools in the Northeast that have always been conventionally coveted. Tufts is viewed quite differently from Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore et al, as those schools derive their social prestige from being small liberal arts colleges. Tufts is certainly not viewed in the same vein as Harvard, MIT, Yale, or even Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell et al. Its closest peers in the region are BC, BU, Brandeis, and Rochester. Looking further afield, I'd throw in Tulane, Wake Forest, and perhaps William & Mary. All are excellent schools in their own right, but Tufts has never had (and does not currently have) quite the reach and pull some are saying it does.

But to what end is all this college navel-gazing and subtle ranking? Worthier people? Smarter? I don't get it.

When one uses my background as a proxy for what is valuable, or desirable, or coveted, or prestigious, I feel compelled to speak up when their claims do not ladder up to reality.

If you were at a dinner party and a Frenchman claimed, "Americans the country over view the Université de Lorraine as one the most prestigious academic institutes in the world," I'm sure you would find it a little funny and probably interject.

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Ladder up with your own version of reality. Hope we are not at any dinner parties together so we are spared your "interjections."

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Anonymous wrote:Ladder up with your own version of reality. Hope we are not at any dinner parties together so we are spared your "interjections."

And thusly Tufts and the people who love it continue to live in their own version of reality. Disregard the small endowment, middling alumni achievements, et cetera, all while the school's PR team and boosters proclaim it as one of this nation's elites.

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When I attended, I think Tufts was ranked 24. I've seen it fall over the decades to now be 30. I think it is placed correctly and I think it might fall further. It's a tweener university - it's in between - not a small elite liberal arts college (Tufts is enrollment is 2.0- 2.5x the size of Williams and Amherst) and doesn't have endowments and research capabilities that NYU and Emory have, nor does it have the man-on-the street brand recognition that BC does. I worked in MA for several years after graduation and I worked with people who knew Bridgewater State but had never heard of Tufts. It only has cache in NY, NJ, DC areas.

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Agreed.

There’s also something subtler going on here. There are the official rankings that list the common knowledge top schools, like the Ivys and the schools that appeal to people in China, and then there’s a more unspoken ranking that comes from a network of elite private schools and people who work in academics. There’s no way to quantify why colleges are on that list. That’s why places like Tufts, Wesleyan University, Vassar, Swarthmore, Haverford etc. might not be high on the USNews rankings but are still competitive among certain groups of people. That’s a different group than those who might see Emory and Tulane as desirable or BC and Northeastern or any other grouping. It’s cultural. So arguing about Tufts versus Emory or Haverford versus BC doesn’t make sense.

Oddly a bit racist. What's wrong with the "people in China"?

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This thread is embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make Tufts appear to be a better school than it is. It’s odd and makes Tufts people just seem deeply insecure.

What does that mean, "better than it is?" This is such an odd discussion. Better than it is based on USNWR ratings? Better than it is based on what criteria?

Better than it is by denigrating other schools in its peer group and saying things like "it's just below the Ivies".

I’m now convinced that this ignorant poster intent on denigrating Tufts and promoting ridiculously incomparable schools is someone who either has a child who did not get into Tufts or a rival or ex whose child is going to Tufts — or some other agenda. Why else waste so much time and effort on this.

What on earth? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Why are schools like USC, NYU, Emory, and BC "ridiculously incomparable schools"? I'm not promoting them. YOU are the one that keeps insisting that Tufts is better than all those schools and more. Get a hold of reality.

For the record, I have zero affiliation with any of the aforementioned schools, and none of my kids even applied to Tufts. I just think the naked boosterism here is embarrassing for you all and worth calling out.

dp. +1. Tufts boosters have a weird chip on their shoulder. They're not nearly as good as they think they are, and should feel confident about how they're rated by most people. Schools like NYU, Emory, Tulane, and BC are absolutely their peers.

ive read through this thread and find the assertion that there are Tufts boosters denigrating other schools odd. My take away from the thread is there are families who choose Tufts for a variety of reasons and are happy with their choice. The thread does not read that Tufts fan’s are trying to make Tufts anymore than the solid school that it is - but it does read that there are folks choosing to participate in this dialogue and speak ill of Tufts for the sake of it. Says way more about the others than it does about the “Tufts boosters.” As is sometimes/often the case with controversial DCUM posts made worse by the anonymous nature of the forum, motivations for participating are illusory at best and strange at worst….

Agreed.

There’s also something subtler going on here. There are the official rankings that list the common knowledge top schools, like the Ivys and the schools that appeal to people in China, and then there’s a more unspoken ranking that comes from a network of elite private schools and people who work in academics. There’s no way to quantify why colleges are on that list. That’s why places like Tufts, Wesleyan University, Vassar, Swarthmore, Haverford etc. might not be high on the USNews rankings but are still competitive among certain groups of people. That’s a different group than those who might see Emory and Tulane as desirable or BC and Northeastern or any other grouping. It’s cultural. So arguing about Tufts versus Emory or Haverford versus BC doesn’t make sense.

I am from a background that most would consider very WASPy (I cringe at using the term because we hate to be so self-referential), and have strong ties to the Northeast, New England private schools, and all the trappings you would expect of such. Tufts has never had the cachet that you claim it does; if anything, its image has always been one of the aloof, not-quite-elite, not-quite-run-of-the-mill step-sibling to the other schools in the Northeast that have always been conventionally coveted. Tufts is viewed quite differently from Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore et al, as those schools derive their social prestige from being small liberal arts colleges. Tufts is certainly not viewed in the same vein as Harvard, MIT, Yale, or even Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell et al. Its closest peers in the region are BC, BU, Brandeis, and Rochester. Looking further afield, I'd throw in Tulane, Wake Forest, and perhaps William & Mary. All are excellent schools in their own right, but Tufts has never had (and does not currently have) quite the reach and pull some are saying it does.

no one said WASP. What you’re saying might be true of some WASP nastiness.
What they said was academic. Tufts is absolutely in the first tier.

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Ha! Leave it to the WASP wannabe to resort to French. Classic. A parody.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make Tufts appear to be a better school than it is. It’s odd and makes Tufts people just seem deeply insecure.

What does that mean, "better than it is?" This is such an odd discussion. Better than it is based on USNWR ratings? Better than it is based on what criteria?

Better than it is by denigrating other schools in its peer group and saying things like "it's just below the Ivies".

I’m now convinced that this ignorant poster intent on denigrating Tufts and promoting ridiculously incomparable schools is someone who either has a child who did not get into Tufts or a rival or ex whose child is going to Tufts — or some other agenda. Why else waste so much time and effort on this.

What on earth? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Why are schools like USC, NYU, Emory, and BC "ridiculously incomparable schools"? I'm not promoting them. YOU are the one that keeps insisting that Tufts is better than all those schools and more. Get a hold of reality.

For the record, I have zero affiliation with any of the aforementioned schools, and none of my kids even applied to Tufts. I just think the naked boosterism here is embarrassing for you all and worth calling out.

dp. +1. Tufts boosters have a weird chip on their shoulder. They're not nearly as good as they think they are, and should feel confident about how they're rated by most people. Schools like NYU, Emory, Tulane, and BC are absolutely their peers.

ive read through this thread and find the assertion that there are Tufts boosters denigrating other schools odd. My take away from the thread is there are families who choose Tufts for a variety of reasons and are happy with their choice. The thread does not read that Tufts fan’s are trying to make Tufts anymore than the solid school that it is - but it does read that there are folks choosing to participate in this dialogue and speak ill of Tufts for the sake of it. Says way more about the others than it does about the “Tufts boosters.” As is sometimes/often the case with controversial DCUM posts made worse by the anonymous nature of the forum, motivations for participating are illusory at best and strange at worst….

Agreed.

There’s also something subtler going on here. There are the official rankings that list the common knowledge top schools, like the Ivys and the schools that appeal to people in China, and then there’s a more unspoken ranking that comes from a network of elite private schools and people who work in academics. There’s no way to quantify why colleges are on that list. That’s why places like Tufts, Wesleyan University, Vassar, Swarthmore, Haverford etc. might not be high on the USNews rankings but are still competitive among certain groups of people. That’s a different group than those who might see Emory and Tulane as desirable or BC and Northeastern or any other grouping. It’s cultural. So arguing about Tufts versus Emory or Haverford versus BC doesn’t make sense.

I am from a background that most would consider very WASPy (I cringe at using the term because we hate to be so self-referential), and have strong ties to the Northeast, New England private schools, and all the trappings you would expect of such. Tufts has never had the cachet that you claim it does; if anything, its image has always been one of the aloof, not-quite-elite, not-quite-run-of-the-mill step-sibling to the other schools in the Northeast that have always been conventionally coveted. Tufts is viewed quite differently from Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore et al, as those schools derive their social prestige from being small liberal arts colleges. Tufts is certainly not viewed in the same vein as Harvard, MIT, Yale, or even Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell et al. Its closest peers in the region are BC, BU, Brandeis, and Rochester. Looking further afield, I'd throw in Tulane, Wake Forest, and perhaps William & Mary. All are excellent schools in their own right, but Tufts has never had (and does not currently have) quite the reach and pull some are saying it does.

no one said WASP. What you’re saying might be true of some WASP nastiness.
What they said was academic. Tufts is absolutely in the first tier.

Tufts only joined the AAU two months ago. I don't think we can overstate its academics. It's a fine school.

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Tufts is most similar in prestige and academics to Rochester, in my opinion. Both are excellent schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Tufts is most similar in prestige and academics to Rochester, in my opinion. Both are excellent schools.

Rochester is much easier to get in to than Tufts, if that’s part of the calculation.
Some of those who didn’t get in to Tufts from my dc’s school chose Rochester, so maybe they attract the same people.

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Harvard’ recruited its current President from Tufts.

This is from his official Harvard biography:.

As President of Tufts from 2001 to 2011, Bacow advanced the university’s commitment to excellence in teaching, research, and public service and fostered collaboration across the university’s eight schools. Under his leadership, Tufts pursued initiatives to enhance the undergraduate experience, deepen graduate and professional education and research in critical fields, broaden international engagement, and promote active citizenship among members of the university community.

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Anonymous wrote:When I attended, I think Tufts was ranked 24. I've seen it fall over the decades to now be 30. I think it is placed correctly and I think it might fall further. It's a tweener university - it's in between - not a small elite liberal arts college (Tufts is enrollment is 2.0- 2.5x the size of Williams and Amherst) and doesn't have endowments and research capabilities that NYU and Emory have, nor does it have the man-on-the street brand recognition that BC does. I worked in MA for several years after graduation and I worked with people who knew Bridgewater State but had never heard of Tufts. It only has cache in NY, NJ, DC areas.

Bad take. It was only ranked that high very briefly and only because of the common app came out opening the flood gates of apps to a bunch of schools screwing with the numbers and causing other schools around that range to take a hit for a hot minute. Sounds like you must have gone around then in the late 90s. That 24th ranking was a mirage...

It’s probably a very solid school that isn’t going to close doors or hamstring the prospects of motivated students. It’s not an IVY or top 20 school. Figuring out whether it is better than Tulane or Wake Forest or Emory is splitting hairs and should come down to fit for DC.

If two kids for those schools app for Med school or Law school with the exact same stats would “Rochester” vs “Tufts” be a deciding factor for admissions? Doubt it