Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

[Anonymous]

I thought it was McMillan that made the heart attack comment. They told him to sit on the car seat and he wouldn't. He was claustrophobic and may have even asked to lie down. I saw Floyd kick his leg when he was on the ground, so holding him could have been because of that.

[Anonymous]

I think we should stop talking about counterfeit bills. The bills were found to be genuine. Not that it matters, you shouldn't get killed over it even if it was counterfeit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, but I think that a murderer’s appearance is pretty much fair game. *shrug*

If I was a murderer, I’m sure they would crack some jokes about my appearance... and I’d deserve it... you know, as a murderer and all.

Evidently you deserve it, even if you don't murder someone, because you are a low person.

PP here ,

*insert Regina George meme*

so you agree that shitty people are open season to make fun of everything about them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we should stop talking about counterfeit bills. The bills were found to be genuine. Not that it matters, you shouldn't get killed over it even if it was counterfeit.

Where does it say that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think we should stop talking about counterfeit bills. The bills were found to be genuine. Not that it matters, you shouldn't get killed over it even if it was counterfeit.

Where does it say that?

I haven’t seen that, but I did see the clerk say that a) he thought the bill(s) came from the passenger and b) in his opinion, George Floyd didn’t realize the bill(s) was fake.

And I agree with the PP above who says it doesn’t matter, whether the bill was counterfeit or not.

[Anonymous]

It was established that the cashier had no training in identifying counterfeit money; he only suspected it was because of the color of the bill. He was not an expert

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was established that the cashier had no training in identifying counterfeit money; he only suspected it was because of the color of the bill. He was not an expert

They make these special markers that identify counterfeit bills. 25 years ago I worked as a cashier at my university's food court and they had us test every bill $20 and up. They must be relatively cheap because each of us cashiers (usually at least 5 or 6 per shift) had one at our register. I'm surprised Cup foods didn't have one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It was established that the cashier had no training in identifying counterfeit money; he only suspected it was because of the color of the bill. He was not an expert

They make these special markers that identify counterfeit bills. 25 years ago I worked as a cashier at my university's food court and they had us test every bill $20 and up. They must be relatively cheap because each of us cashiers (usually at least 5 or 6 per shift) had one at our register. I'm surprised Cup foods didn't have one.

It probably just depends. I worked as a cashier at Kmart about 25 years ago and I don't remember ever using one of those pens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It was established that the cashier had no training in identifying counterfeit money; he only suspected it was because of the color of the bill. He was not an expert

They make these special markers that identify counterfeit bills. 25 years ago I worked as a cashier at my university's food court and they had us test every bill $20 and up. They must be relatively cheap because each of us cashiers (usually at least 5 or 6 per shift) had one at our register. I'm surprised Cup foods didn't have one.

It probably just depends. I worked as a cashier at Kmart about 25 years ago and I don't remember ever using one of those pens.

Giant uses them for 100$ bills

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

He kneeled on his neck for nearly 10 minutes. If someone closes your airway for 10 minutes, you will die, regardless of your previous health. People like you are hateful and disgusting. You will always find an excuse for a cop - this was murder, plain and simple.

As I said upthread - the goalposts keep moving. No one’s life was ever in danger here, with the exception of George Floyd.

He was a drug addict and had two different illegal substances in his body.

So he deserved to die?

"A bit rough." Please. You sound like YOU'RE on drugs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

But you didn't. You chose to attack his physical appearance, which actually isn't even that short--5'9" is average height for males in the US. There are many GREAT men out there that are that height or shorter.
You are a bully, no better than Chauvin.

Online "bullying" (what are you, 12?) is not in the same universe as kneeling on a human being's neck and depriving their brain of oxygen for 9 1/2 minutes.

But you knew that already, because you're an attention seeking internet troll. (bullying! bullying!)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

But you didn't. You chose to attack his physical appearance, which actually isn't even that short--5'9" is average height for males in the US. There are many GREAT men out there that are that height or shorter.
You are a bully, no better than Chauvin.

Online "bullying" (what are you, 12?) is not in the same universe as kneeling on a human being's neck and depriving their brain of oxygen for 9 1/2 minutes.

But you knew that already, because you're an attention seeking internet troll. (bullying! bullying!)

Online bullying is actually quite serious. Do you remember Nicole Mittendorff? But you're ready to just make light of that, because you're an internet bully yourself (Human garbage! Human garbage!)

[Anonymous]

I’m leaning defense at this point, based on evidence from trial so far AND some things that came out during jury selection through “bench conferences” about motions. Some of the facts discussed during voir dire might not be entered into evidence for the jury.

What started to sway me:

— GF prior arrest and info it showed about health. This was brought up during jury selection. At a previous arrest, GF took a bunch a pills when he was approached by police (to hide the evidence I guess). He had to be taken to the hospital. At hospital, he was told he had major heart issues and he was told **if you do this again, you will likely have a stroke or die**. He also took a bunch of pills during the Cup Foods incident. They found pill fragments with his DNA in the back of the car.

— Behavior info from prior arrest. they showed a video from a prior arrest when GF was in a car (no claustrophobia) and started acting up (I’m gonna die, oh mama, etc) when nobody was even touching him. It’s his MO.

— Details of death aren’t consistent with asphyxiation. It seems like he died suddenly—which means cardiac. He was talking (breathing) fine until suddenly he wasn’t. No shortness of breath, no gasping. This suggests a sudden heart event, not slow decline of oxygen deprivation. This is consistent with his heart history, the drugs he took, and video. He was foaming at the mouth before he was even on the ground, and he worked himself up a lot.

—GF could have stopped everything at any time by not yelling and struggling. I assume he didn’t because he was trying to manipulate the officers into giving up OR because he was too hyped up by the drugs.

So I don’t think DC was fully responsible for GF’s death. Not sure what that translates to in terms of 2/3 degree, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought it was McMillan that made the heart attack comment. They told him to sit on the car seat and he wouldn't. He was claustrophobic and may have even asked to lie down. I saw Floyd kick his leg when he was on the ground, so holding him could have been because of that.

Possibly. There’s a lot of crosstalk at that point. Most of McMillian’s comments that I could pick up were during the time when it just Keung and Lane, prior to Chauvin and Thao’s arrival.

As far as the other points, I don’t fully agree. It was probably reasonable at that moment to move to the ground, but not to keep him in a prone position, especially not with additional pressure. GF is already cuffed at this point. If it had happened for a minute or two, and then any attempt was made, we probably be looking at a much better defense regardless of the autopsy. It is going to be difficult to explain why they didn’t use the hobbles Thao was going to get, but simultaneously explain that it was necessary to not move to a recovery position. Much less why other less than lethals weren’t deployed in that case.

[Anonymous]

As I’ve been watching the trial I find myself obsessed a bit with the ‘what ifs’ - what if the clerk didn’t take the bill? What if GF had just driven away? What if the off duty EMT had been allowed to render aid? What if the other officers had just pulled Chauvin off of GF? What if Chauvin had a normal conscience? What if, what if, what if.

But what would today be like if George Floyd didn’t die on May 25, 2020? It was a terrible thing, but his little girl was right. One way or another, her daddy’s death is changing the world.