Please get rid of GDA and ECNL

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Anonymous wrote:The top hates overloaded rosters with miserable kids on it. The players are entirely aware, frustrated, and unimpressed that their so called coaches take on these inferior players knowingly for the money and the team be damned. They most certainly do not blame the bench players unless they are misguided, arrogant and immature and yes - there are a few of those but not many.

Yup, and those miserable kids who are not playing have miserable parents who did their kid a disservice by agreeing to a spot that put their kid in over their head.

Don’t accept the offer if you know your kid is a back end sub.

Learn how to properly evaluate soccer talent if you are going to work in youth soccer. Ask your players - they can help you if you need some advise.

Ask if your kid will be a starter before signing the check.

Advice.

Learn how to evaluate a starter and talented sub from a "not ready for this team" and then use that choose a reasonable roster to earn your keep. A professional knows how to tell a player they are not ready for your team. An amateur may need help in this and if you are an armature - get assistance.

They did evaluate the player properly. The player isn’t starting. Only 11 kids are starters. If your kid was starting the evaluation would have been wrong.

This statement ignores the very real politics and outside factors unrelated to soccer talent which plague many teams. That, and many clubs lie -- you can acknowledge the lie "your DS will start" after it is demonstrated, but you really can't do anything about it until the next year.... Plenty of situations with talented players sitting on the bench while "subs" play.

“your DS will start" after it is demonstrated,”

Lol!! That statement is clear that your kid is not coming in as a starter. Learn to speak “coach”. Has your kid ever asked you for something ridiculous like “can we get a pool” and you answer with “we’ll see” just to move past it?

Your ego and naïveté heard “your kid will start” and it cut out the rest of the sentence which was context based.

Not actually talking about my kid. My DS does start. Always has. But there are players on our team who were told they would start/play the majority of the time and don't. I'm not the coach, and maybe coaches actually ARE skilled and can see more than me so they are sitting unskilled players and playing the great ones... but I see little difference between a few of these players and the ones who do start. So maybe their parents didn't ask the right questions. Or maybe some kids are favorites and others aren't. It happens in the rest of life after all.

The higher the level the tighter it gets. At a DA or ECNL level all rostered players are capable and are capable of starting. The variance isn’t always that great. So if you are new to an established team it is going to be tough to crack the starting lineup.

To address the following poster “have you ever seen a WTH player?” Certainly but some coaching decisions are based on issues of trust or other intangibles. Sometimes a more talented player sits until they practice or play at a level that is consistent with their potential and ability. Some talented players have a crappy attitude and come off entitled. So yes, harder working kids may get minutes over more talented players. It happens all the time.

Going to a new team is a risk. Your not guaranteed anything. If your kid is t playing them leave.

It is not just the bench players that leave. Top players with all the playing time they could want leave poorly run teams. These bloated rosters are one of the primary causes of bad team dynamics resulting is the exit of players at all levels.

Don’t accept a spot on a large team if you’re not a starter. Don’t blame the club for your acceptance.

I would say do not accept a spot on a large team if you are a starter. Just avoid the giant roster nonsense period and let some other fools suffer with it.

Were you referring to FCV 07 team?

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Anonymous wrote:The top hates overloaded rosters with miserable kids on it. The players are entirely aware, frustrated, and unimpressed that their so called coaches take on these inferior players knowingly for the money and the team be damned. They most certainly do not blame the bench players unless they are misguided, arrogant and immature and yes - there are a few of those but not many.

Yup, and those miserable kids who are not playing have miserable parents who did their kid a disservice by agreeing to a spot that put their kid in over their head.

Don’t accept the offer if you know your kid is a back end sub.

Learn how to properly evaluate soccer talent if you are going to work in youth soccer. Ask your players - they can help you if you need some advise.

Ask if your kid will be a starter before signing the check.

Advice.

Learn how to evaluate a starter and talented sub from a "not ready for this team" and then use that choose a reasonable roster to earn your keep. A professional knows how to tell a player they are not ready for your team. An amateur may need help in this and if you are an armature - get assistance.

They did evaluate the player properly. The player isn’t starting. Only 11 kids are starters. If your kid was starting the evaluation would have been wrong.

This statement ignores the very real politics and outside factors unrelated to soccer talent which plague many teams. That, and many clubs lie -- you can acknowledge the lie "your DS will start" after it is demonstrated, but you really can't do anything about it until the next year.... Plenty of situations with talented players sitting on the bench while "subs" play.

“your DS will start" after it is demonstrated,”

Lol!! That statement is clear that your kid is not coming in as a starter. Learn to speak “coach”. Has your kid ever asked you for something ridiculous like “can we get a pool” and you answer with “we’ll see” just to move past it?

Your ego and naïveté heard “your kid will start” and it cut out the rest of the sentence which was context based.

Not actually talking about my kid. My DS does start. Always has. But there are players on our team who were told they would start/play the majority of the time and don't. I'm not the coach, and maybe coaches actually ARE skilled and can see more than me so they are sitting unskilled players and playing the great ones... but I see little difference between a few of these players and the ones who do start. So maybe their parents didn't ask the right questions. Or maybe some kids are favorites and others aren't. It happens in the rest of life after all.

The higher the level the tighter it gets. At a DA or ECNL level all rostered players are capable and are capable of starting. The variance isn’t always that great. So if you are new to an established team it is going to be tough to crack the starting lineup.

To address the following poster “have you ever seen a WTH player?” Certainly but some coaching decisions are based on issues of trust or other intangibles. Sometimes a more talented player sits until they practice or play at a level that is consistent with their potential and ability. Some talented players have a crappy attitude and come off entitled. So yes, harder working kids may get minutes over more talented players. It happens all the time.

Going to a new team is a risk. Your not guaranteed anything. If your kid is t playing them leave.

It is not just the bench players that leave. Top players with all the playing time they could want leave poorly run teams. These bloated rosters are one of the primary causes of bad team dynamics resulting is the exit of players at all levels.

Don’t accept a spot on a large team if you’re not a starter. Don’t blame the club for your acceptance.

I would say do not accept a spot on a large team if you are a starter. Just avoid the giant roster nonsense period and let some other fools suffer with it.

Were you referring to FCV 07 team?

No. Spirit/Metro

[Anonymous]

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Were you referring to FCV 07 team?

No. Spirit/Metro

Which Metro team has large FT rosters?

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No but there are hundreds of other over sized teams out here to be avoided.

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FCV 07 has a bloated roster.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV 07 has a bloated roster.

Not good. Find a better situation whether yours starts or not.

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Were you referring to FCV 07 team?

No. Spirit/Metro

Which Metro team has large FT rosters?

None. He's still talking about MU as if it were Spirit. Spirit was notorious for it. They didn't care at all about the players and had a very low bar for quality. The more the merrier. MU has changed that.

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Were you referring to FCV 07 team?

No. Spirit/Metro

Which Metro team has large FT rosters?

None. He's still talking about MU as if it were Spirit. Spirit was notorious for it. They didn't care at all about the players and had a very low bar for quality. The more the merrier. MU has changed that.

there are a lot of PT players getting time at MU in the older age groups though. Sometimes because they simply need players due to injury, etc., sometimes because they are from partner clubs and seem to be forced to do it, as the quality is not always equivalent.

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FCV 07 has 19 FT players. That seems a bit high but not too terrible. Then I see that as a DA pilot they only played 6 DA games this fall. Ouch. Now that’s terrible.

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Were you referring to FCV 07 team?

No. Spirit/Metro

Which Metro team has large FT rosters?

None. He's still talking about MU as if it were Spirit. Spirit was notorious for it. They didn't care at all about the players and had a very low bar for quality. The more the merrier. MU has changed that.

there are a lot of PT players getting time at MU in the older age groups though. Sometimes because they simply need players due to injury, etc., sometimes because they are from partner clubs and seem to be forced to do it, as the quality is not always equivalent.

The PT players all have regular teams they play in. Yes, they come when there are injuries and it makes sense. Mostly the team with a lot has been the U19s. That is not a bloated roster situation. The team needed players, and as for the PT players, they have other teams they see a lot of minutes on. Some of the PT players played in a single game.

None of this is like what used to happen. MU parents have all talked about the change (in that and other things). The core roster is much smaller and all FT players see a lot of minutes.

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Anonymous wrote:The complaints about the cost are not because of my or your bank account. they exclude talent from the leagues that I want available for my player and your player to compete with and against.

Form a pickup league then and invite all the players you think are the best. You supply the field and logistics and the refs. Then you’ll have what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV 07 has 19 FT players. That seems a bit high but not too terrible. Then I see that as a DA pilot they only played 6 DA games this fall. Ouch. Now that’s terrible.

They are U13 so no showcase games. So by next summer they will have only played 12 DA games? That’s not even 1/2 a year of games.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV 07 has 19 FT players. That seems a bit high but not too terrible. Then I see that as a DA pilot they only played 6 DA games this fall. Ouch. Now that’s terrible.

They are U13 so no showcase games. So by next summer they will have only played 12 DA games? That’s not even 1/2 a year of games.

They've played 7 games this fall, and have 7 games scheduled for the spring. Not sure why their game from November (3-1 loss to Penn Fusion) hasn't posted yet.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV 07 has 19 FT players. That seems a bit high but not too terrible. Then I see that as a DA pilot they only played 6 DA games this fall. Ouch. Now that’s terrible.

They are U13 so no showcase games. So by next summer they will have only played 12 DA games? That’s not even 1/2 a year of games.

They've played 7 games this fall, and have 7 games scheduled for the spring. Not sure why their game from November (3-1 loss to Penn Fusion) hasn't posted yet.

Probably because it's blasphemy to post anything negative about FCV's performance as it doesn't fit their narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:The complaints about the cost are not because of my or your bank account. they exclude talent from the leagues that I want available for my player and your player to compete with and against.

Form a pickup league then and invite all the players you think are the best. You supply the field and logistics and the refs. Then you’ll have what you want.

Don't tempt us. Not everyone is thrilled to prance around in the small pond country club leagues pretnding to be little mini pros.