Pray for Charlotte, NC

[Anonymous]

No one on here has any idea what the people in uniform deal with on a daily basis. Easy to blame them and call them liars. Yet, the thugs looting get all the press. Has anyone heard anything about this story, probably not:
http://www.nj.com/monmouth/index.ssf/2016/09/nj_police_officer_assaulted_left_unconscious.html

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow so like I'm peeping some of the comments and folks is really laying it all out there about how much they despise blacks and it got me wondering, say a black person works in an office on Constitution Avenue (keywords: ceramic coffee mugs) is that black person a savage sub-human animal too or is it just the ones rioting in Charlotte, NC?
I'm asking because I have a colleague that frequents DCUM and I'm curious as to whether he/she is feigning respect and amity.

Another fine example of twisting and overstating then asking a question in an attempt to legitimize the rhetoric.

It always baffles me. I am white, hispanic, female and catholic. When someone speaks out against a white person - I don't automatically think they are talking about me. Speak out against the actions of a hispanic - don't automatically think they feel that way about me. Feel one way about a female - don't assume you feel that way about all females. Judge the actions of the catholic church - don't automatically think you are judging me.

Why then is it if you say I don't like the actions of that african american automatically equal that you MUST be racist and hate all african americans?

It is very rare that anyone gets upset with criticism of a single black person unless that criticism is obviously racist. What you are ignoring are generalized statements about black people that are very common, even unfortunately on this forum. While you might not be bothered by criticism of a single individual with whom you have something in common, you likely are bothered at times by certain negative statements that are broadly aimed Catholics, women, Hispanics, or whites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

FYI, I am a Caucasian who knows how easily rich, white neglected boys can become mass murders. They've been spoiled rotten to the core and they believe the world should revolve around them, forever.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow so like I'm peeping some of the comments and folks is really laying it all out there about how much they despise blacks and it got me wondering, say a black person works in an office on Constitution Avenue (keywords: ceramic coffee mugs) is that black person a savage sub-human animal too or is it just the ones rioting in Charlotte, NC?
I'm asking because I have a colleague that frequents DCUM and I'm curious as to whether he/she is feigning respect and amity.

Another fine example of twisting and overstating then asking a question in an attempt to legitimize the rhetoric.

It always baffles me. I am white, hispanic, female and catholic. When someone speaks out against a white person - I don't automatically think they are talking about me. Speak out against the actions of a hispanic - don't automatically think they feel that way about me. Feel one way about a female - don't assume you feel that way about all females. Judge the actions of the catholic church - don't automatically think you are judging me.

Why then is it if you say I don't like the actions of that african american automatically equal that you MUST be racist and hate all african americans?

It is very rare that anyone gets upset with criticism of a single black person unless that criticism is obviously racist. What you are ignoring are generalized statements about black people that are very common, even unfortunately on this forum. While you might not be bothered by criticism of a single individual with whom you have something in common, you likely are bothered at times by certain negative statements that are broadly aimed Catholics, women, Hispanics, or whites.

Bothered at times? Sure.

Jump to the conclusion that any negative statement automatically brands that person a bigot? No.

Trust me as a catholic and a latina that grew up in Los Angeles I heard it a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

FYI, I am a Caucasian who knows how easily rich, white neglected boys can become mass murders. They've been spoiled rotten to the core and they believe the world should revolve around them, forever.

Or they are, you know, mentally ill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

Well said and I am totally with you and agree with what you said. But most likely many will ignore your post because you raise uncomfortable questions that needs introspection from non-blacks, especially whites. Yes there is double standard in the way every action is perceived. If a white person jumps the traffic signal, its a stupid white person BUT If a black person jumps then it is "these black people". If there is drug problem in white community then they are sick and need treatment but if black community has the same problem, they should be sent to jail so they are straightened out. If a minority does minimal work they are lazy, if a white guy does minimal work then it is work-life balance. I can keep going...

But PP, the white people are totally aware of all of this BUT they will not acknowledge any of this because it is easier to deny and continue with their privileged life. Also there is a perverse interest at play here, they are fearful of losing their privilege if they even acknowledge it. Also the other side of the coin is that for some of the financially under privileged white folks the privilege that comes as being white is the only privilege they have and they don't want to lose even that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

Well said and I am totally with you and agree with what you said. But most likely many will ignore your post because you raise uncomfortable questions that needs introspection from non-blacks, especially whites. Yes there is double standard in the way every action is perceived. If a white person jumps the traffic signal, its a stupid white person BUT If a black person jumps then it is "these black people". If there is drug problem in white community then they are sick and need treatment but if black community has the same problem, they should be sent to jail so they are straightened out. If a minority does minimal work they are lazy, if a white guy does minimal work then it is work-life balance. I can keep going...

But PP, the white people are totally aware of all of this BUT they will not acknowledge any of this because it is easier to deny and continue with their privileged life. Also there is a perverse interest at play here, they are fearful of losing their privilege if they even acknowledge it. Also the other side of the coin is that for some of the financially under privileged white folks the privilege that comes as being white is the only privilege they have and they don't want to lose even that.

LMAO

Where is the next meeting to preserve white privilege? Surely there has to be some organization of effort to retain that. I want to know so that I can protest in front of the venue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

FYI, I am a Caucasian who knows how easily rich, white neglected boys can become mass murders. They've been spoiled rotten to the core and they believe the world should revolve around them, forever.

Or they are, you know, mentally ill.

Affluenza

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a single white person here who is willing to acknowledge that the increasing number of deceitful and duplicitous actions of police exposed over the years thanks to video footage clarifies why blacks hold so much contempt for the police?

So, this is a growing problem? The numbers back that up? Or, it is still a rare occurrence given the number of interactions that are handled daily and because of technology the actions of few are being exposed?

It is not about how many cases are there. It is about how blacks feel the siege EVEN IF A DOZEN incidents happen every year. And a dozen is a big number, especially considering those events don't happen to whites. Why are you not sensitive to the fact that Blacks with their slavery and Jim crow laws will feel distrustful about the system.

Why are white people so sensitive about terror incidents of muslim americans even though statistically over the past decade those are very few in number. And again when statistically it is the white man with a gun who is the most dangerous mass murderer, why is that not taken as seriously as seriousy?

The bottomline is white men(white women are better) is not sensitive about the travails and sensitivities of non-whites BUT expect everyone else to be super sensitive about their own travails. That is the double standard that is not liked. Learning and changing is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm 13:06. I still don't see one single black person willing (or able) to recognize that when people in the black community protest that they're being mistreated by rioting violently, destroying property, and injuring people they are actually demonstrating the very negative attributes attributed to (some) of them. Isn't there one black person who can say that the riots are hurting their cause - and condemn their actions?

You still itching for a response?
Ahhight I’ll bite.
Check this out...

It took a little bit more than just Honest Abe signing the 13th Amendment to instigate equality for black people in this country.
It took work – a lot of work – by a lot of people for blacks to make even the most miniscule gains in this society and there are still gains to be made.
But little by little and bit by bit and step by step blacks made progress but it wasn't easy...
In order for blacks to make that progress it took bold efforts on both sides of the equation to slowly and steadily inch them closer to equality.

It took the calm letters of people like Frederick Douglass and it took the controversial editorials of people like Ida B. Wells.
It took the calm efforts of people like W.E.B. Du Bois and it took the controversial movements of people like Marcus Garvey.
It took the calm voices of people like Dr. King and it took the controversial comments of people like Malcolm X.
It took the calm attitudes of people like Jackie Robinson and it took the controversial stances of people like Jim Brown.
It took the calm courses of action by organizations like the NAACP and it took the controversial attitudes and approaches of organizations like the Black Panthers.

It took a lot of work from a lot of people fighting from all angles to get blacks to where they are today.
It not only took marches but it took riots too and it not only required protest but it required unrest too to get blacks to where they are today.
And the struggle continues...

Having said that – no, I’m not going to condemn a damn thing oppressed people find themselves forced to do in order to advance their struggles because if freedom and equality was so easily obtainable then there wouldn’t so many wars waged throughout history now would there?

Nitpick cherrypick and criticize my comments to your hearts content.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

Well said and I am totally with you and agree with what you said. But most likely many will ignore your post because you raise uncomfortable questions that needs introspection from non-blacks, especially whites. Yes there is double standard in the way every action is perceived. If a white person jumps the traffic signal, its a stupid white person BUT If a black person jumps then it is "these black people". If there is drug problem in white community then they are sick and need treatment but if black community has the same problem, they should be sent to jail so they are straightened out. If a minority does minimal work they are lazy, if a white guy does minimal work then it is work-life balance. I can keep going...

But PP, the white people are totally aware of all of this BUT they will not acknowledge any of this because it is easier to deny and continue with their privileged life. Also there is a perverse interest at play here, they are fearful of losing their privilege if they even acknowledge it. Also the other side of the coin is that for some of the financially under privileged white folks the privilege that comes as being white is the only privilege they have and they don't want to lose even that.

LMAO

Where is the next meeting to preserve white privilege? Surely there has to be some organization of effort to retain that. I want to know so that I can protest in front of the venue.

Did you not understand the post? Do you have reading comprehension issues? Read the entire post calmly and slowly without prejudice and preconceived notion. Then maybe you will get it. Also any post that you can't refute with facts and reason means you already know you have nothing to contribute. So it is better to keep quiet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ldn't be farther from it.

Shut up with the myth of the black welfare queen, majority of welfare recipients are white, largest population of Section 8 receipients is some predominately Jewish neighborhood in NYC. Just take a seat with your surface level understanding and refusal to truly address racism. You are not helping to do anything but to keep yourself deluded. Is RIOTING wrong? HELL YEA!
But when you are too blind to Serbia poverty and and oppression create a powder keg and addressing those ROOT causes is how you keep from happening , take a seat!

No need to be rude and say "shut up". Here are some statistics. http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/ http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html
39.6% of welfare recipients are african american- 12% of total US population are african american
16% of welfare recipients are caucasian - 63.7% of total US population are caucasian

Well that settles it then ... SMDH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a single white person here who is willing to acknowledge that the increasing number of deceitful and duplicitous actions of police exposed over the years thanks to video footage clarifies why blacks hold so much contempt for the police?

So, this is a growing problem? The numbers back that up? Or, it is still a rare occurrence given the number of interactions that are handled daily and because of technology the actions of few are being exposed?

It is not about how many cases are there. It is about how blacks feel the siege EVEN IF A DOZEN incidents happen every year. And a dozen is a big number, especially considering those events don't happen to whites. Why are you not sensitive to the fact that Blacks with their slavery and Jim crow laws will feel distrustful about the system.

Why are white people so sensitive about terror incidents of muslim americans even though statistically over the past decade those are very few in number. And again when statistically it is the white man with a gun who is the most dangerous mass murderer, why is that not taken as seriously as seriousy?

The bottomline is white men(white women are better) is not sensitive about the travails and sensitivities of non-whites BUT expect everyone else to be super sensitive about their own travails. That is the double standard that is not liked. Learning and changing is a good thing.

White people aren't shot by police? Look up John Geer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Shut up with the myth of the black welfare queen, majority of welfare recipients are white, largest population of Section 8 receipients is some predominately Jewish neighborhood in NYC. Just take a seat with your surface level understanding and refusal to truly address racism. You are not helping to do anything but to keep yourself deluded. Is RIOTING wrong? HELL YEA!
But when you are too blind to Serbia poverty and and oppression create a powder keg and addressing those ROOT causes is how you keep from happening , take a seat!

No need to be rude and say "shut up". Here are some statistics. http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/ http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html
39.6% of welfare recipients are african american- 12% of total US population are african american
16% of welfare recipients are caucasian - 63.7% of total US population are caucasian

Well that settles it then ... SMDH.

So you don't believe in facts and statistics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm 13:06. I still don't see one single black person willing (or able) to recognize that when people in the black community protest that they're being mistreated by rioting violently, destroying property, and injuring people they are actually demonstrating the very negative attributes attributed to (some) of them. Isn't there one black person who can say that the riots are hurting their cause - and condemn their actions?

You still itching for a response?
Ahhight I’ll bite.
Check this out...

It took a little bit more than just Honest Abe signing the 13th Amendment to instigate equality for black people in this country.
It took work – a lot of work – by a lot of people for blacks to make even the most miniscule gains in this society and there are still gains to be made.
But little by little and bit by bit and step by step blacks made progress but it wasn't easy...
In order for blacks to make that progress it took bold efforts on both sides of the equation to slowly and steadily inch them closer to equality.

It took the calm letters of people like Frederick Douglass and it took the controversial editorials of people like Ida B. Wells.
It took the calm efforts of people like W.E.B. Du Bois and it took the controversial movements of people like Marcus Garvey.
It took the calm voices of people like Dr. King and it took the controversial comments of people like Malcolm X.
It took the calm attitudes of people like Jackie Robinson and it took the controversial stances of people like Jim Brown.
It took the calm courses of action by organizations like the NAACP and it took the controversial attitudes and approaches of organizations like the Black Panthers.

It took a lot of work from a lot of people fighting from all angles to get blacks to where they are today.
It not only took marches but it took riots too and it not only required protest but it required unrest too to get blacks to where they are today.
And the struggle continues...

Having said that – no, I’m not going to condemn a damn thing oppressed people find themselves forced to do in order to advance their struggles because if freedom and equality was so easily obtainable then there wouldn’t so many wars waged throughout history now would there?

Nitpick cherrypick and criticize my comments to your hearts content.

You are too smart to even respond to the people who will deny everything you say or minimize it by saying it is not true now, why keep bringing up the past? Some of the white people are fearful that the blacks getting their rights and becoming equal means RELATIVE lose of their own status. But that is just their mind playing games, they are still only as smart or as poor as they have always been.