Why don't white students go to Banneker?

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Anonymous wrote:I would say many qualified white students choose not to apply to Banneker because it's not a diverse school. At all. There's not much more to the issue than that, imo.

And once again we get to an issue raised in the TJ thread.

When white students are the majority of the school, minorities (blacks, latinos, Asians, etc) should just be quiet and 'put up with it'.

When a schools is 'too black' or 'too asian', whites take their ball and go home.

That's because white parents have plenty of other options. Minorities would do the same if they had ample options of high-performing schools where they are in the majority, but there aren't too many Bannkers. Nobody wants their kid to be part of a small minority. As long as minorities are actually in the minority, that's just how it's going to be. Why should I put my white kid in the position of being in a small minority when I could send them to a truly diverse school that is more representative of the reality of their daily lives?

Go for it. No one at Banneker is begging you to come. The kids do great. I have a white friend who's son is at McKinley. Similar statistics. MIT is trying to recruit him. Why? Because he has the hook of being smart and at an all black school. To me it was smart. In addition, he LOVES McKinley so everyone wins.

And there is another reason: the desire for segregation comes from both sides. Nobody wants to be a gate crasher if they don't have to.

I think you intentionally misstated PP statement. There is a vast difference between begging someone to come to your party versus excluding them. Banneker has an open invitation for all those interested to apply and come. Banneker does not recruit any students nor does the school exclude students based on race. All who can handle the load are welcome. So please stop spreading your vicious untruths also known as lies.

+1000, I don't even know why this is an issue

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Anonymous wrote:I would say many qualified white students choose not to apply to Banneker because it's not a diverse school. At all. There's not much more to the issue than that, imo.

And once again we get to an issue raised in the TJ thread.

When white students are the majority of the school, minorities (blacks, latinos, Asians, etc) should just be quiet and 'put up with it'.

When a schools is 'too black' or 'too asian', whites take their ball and go home.

That's because white parents have plenty of other options. Minorities would do the same if they had ample options of high-performing schools where they are in the majority, but there aren't too many Bannkers. Nobody wants their kid to be part of a small minority. As long as minorities are actually in the minority, that's just how it's going to be. Why should I put my white kid in the position of being in a small minority when I could send them to a truly diverse school that is more representative of the reality of their daily lives?

Go for it. No one at Banneker is begging you to come. The kids do great. I have a white friend who's son is at McKinley. Similar statistics. MIT is trying to recruit him. Why? Because he has the hook of being smart and at an all black school. To me it was smart. In addition, he LOVES McKinley so everyone wins.

And there is another reason: the desire for segregation comes from both sides. Nobody wants to be a gate crasher if they don't have to.

I think you intentionally misstated PP statement. There is a vast difference between begging someone to come to your party versus excluding them. Banneker has an open invitation for all those interested to apply and come. Banneker does not recruit any students nor does the school exclude students based on race. All who can handle the load are welcome. So please stop spreading your vicious untruths also known as lies.

How about you stop with your angry reflexive reactions and accusations of malicious intent when clearly someone is just stating their feelings? PP isn't the first one to mention the "gate-crashing" theme - and the post they responded to certainly showed no welcoming attitude, but was quite aggressively worded. You don't need formal discrimination (nobody ever claimed that was the case) to worry about being viewed as a gate-crasher. And remember the PP who said she liked Cleveland because "all" the high-achievers were black? Even if she didn't really mean that she doesn't want ANY whites at her school, she made it clear that she would not want the school to become majority white. As long as sentiments like that are alive (on both sides), we will never truly achieve integration.

Sorry PP, I know that for you the truth hurts. Just because others have erroneously stated the "gate crashing accusation" does not make it true. It's just another malicious or intentional lie spread without a shred of facts or evidence. And if you are going to use the Cleveland poster to bolster your lies, you should at least attempt to be forthright and use her entire posts in their entirety. Your cherry picking what you want to read and breathe life into speaks volumes.

I really don't think you are helping your cause by continuing to accuse PPs of "lies" and malicious intent. What truth are you talking about, based on what facts or evidence? And what is the lie here? That whites are concerned about not being welcome at an all-black school? They may be wrong worrying about that, but getting angry and hurling insults at them is not going to change those feelings, and your fervent denial of any basis for this widespread concern is preposterous.

So what, exactly, is the basis for the "widespread" concern about white children attending a majority AA school? Would you find it an equally valid for Black parents to feel the same way about their child attending a majority white school?

The latter would very much depend on where the white school is. In the rural South? Yes, probably (although I am not personally familiar with that area). In DC? Not too much, most whites here are educated, liberal, and wary of racism, and at the very least value a little token diversity in their school. As for the first question, what do you expect for an answer? Sociological studies about the existence of racist feelings from both sides? I'm not saying that those necessarily play out at a high-achieving school like Banneker, but we all know they exist.

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Just out of curiosity, how old are the last two posters? and, are you affiliated with Banneker in some way?

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Anonymous wrote:I would say many qualified white students choose not to apply to Banneker because it's not a diverse school. At all. There's not much more to the issue than that, imo.

And once again we get to an issue raised in the TJ thread.

When white students are the majority of the school, minorities (blacks, latinos, Asians, etc) should just be quiet and 'put up with it'.

When a schools is 'too black' or 'too asian', whites take their ball and go home.

That's because white parents have plenty of other options. Minorities would do the same if they had ample options of high-performing schools where they are in the majority, but there aren't too many Bannkers. Nobody wants their kid to be part of a small minority. As long as minorities are actually in the minority, that's just how it's going to be. Why should I put my white kid in the position of being in a small minority when I could send them to a truly diverse school that is more representative of the reality of their daily lives?

Go for it. No one at Banneker is begging you to come. The kids do great. I have a white friend who's son is at McKinley. Similar statistics. MIT is trying to recruit him. Why? Because he has the hook of being smart and at an all black school. To me it was smart. In addition, he LOVES McKinley so everyone wins.

And there is another reason: the desire for segregation comes from both sides. Nobody wants to be a gate crasher if they don't have to.

I think you intentionally misstated PP statement. There is a vast difference between begging someone to come to your party versus excluding them. Banneker has an open invitation for all those interested to apply and come. Banneker does not recruit any students nor does the school exclude students based on race. All who can handle the load are welcome. So please stop spreading your vicious untruths also known as lies.

How about you stop with your angry reflexive reactions and accusations of malicious intent when clearly someone is just stating their feelings? PP isn't the first one to mention the "gate-crashing" theme - and the post they responded to certainly showed no welcoming attitude, but was quite aggressively worded. You don't need formal discrimination (nobody ever claimed that was the case) to worry about being viewed as a gate-crasher. And remember the PP who said she liked Cleveland because "all" the high-achievers were black? Even if she didn't really mean that she doesn't want ANY whites at her school, she made it clear that she would not want the school to become majority white. As long as sentiments like that are alive (on both sides), we will never truly achieve integration.

Sorry PP, I know that for you the truth hurts. Just because others have erroneously stated the "gate crashing accusation" does not make it true. It's just another malicious or intentional lie spread without a shred of facts or evidence. And if you are going to use the Cleveland poster to bolster your lies, you should at least attempt to be forthright and use her entire posts in their entirety. Your cherry picking what you want to read and breathe life into speaks volumes.

I really don't think you are helping your cause by continuing to accuse PPs of "lies" and malicious intent. What truth are you talking about, based on what facts or evidence? And what is the lie here? That whites are concerned about not being welcome at an all-black school? They may be wrong worrying about that, but getting angry and hurling insults at them is not going to change those feelings, and your fervent denial of any basis for this widespread concern is preposterous.

So what, exactly, is the basis for the "widespread" concern about white children attending a majority AA school? Would you find it an equally valid for Black parents to feel the same way about their child attending a majority white school?

The latter would very much depend on where the white school is. In the rural South? Yes, probably (although I am not personally familiar with that area). In DC? Not too much, most whites here are educated, liberal, and wary of racism, and at the very least value a little token diversity in their school. As for the first question, what do you expect for an answer? Sociological studies about the existence of racist feelings from both sides? I'm not saying that those necessarily play out at a high-achieving school like Banneker, but we all know they exist.

Different poster here. Pp, I get the distinction you're making between a white school in the rural South and a majority white school in a community with educated liberals but I think you're naive about how much it's possible for AA students, especially from poor and working class families, to feel like outsiders even in a school like that.

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Just out of curiosity, how old are the last two posters? and, are you affiliated with Banneker in some way?

I'm the poster who has defended the concern of white parents to send their kids to an all-black or nearly all-black school (not talking about simple majority black) as understandable. I'm born in the 70s. I'm also a lifelong liberal and Obama supporter. I never said that white kids would actually feel excluded by the students at Banneker, but I that I can understand if someone is worried about it. It's not an issue that concerns me personally, as we are IB for Wilson and have no interest in commuting to a school that's far away.

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Anonymous wrote:I would say many qualified white students choose not to apply to Banneker because it's not a diverse school. At all. There's not much more to the issue than that, imo.

And once again we get to an issue raised in the TJ thread.

When white students are the majority of the school, minorities (blacks, latinos, Asians, etc) should just be quiet and 'put up with it'.

When a schools is 'too black' or 'too asian', whites take their ball and go home.

That's because white parents have plenty of other options. Minorities would do the same if they had ample options of high-performing schools where they are in the majority, but there aren't too many Bannkers. Nobody wants their kid to be part of a small minority. As long as minorities are actually in the minority, that's just how it's going to be. Why should I put my white kid in the position of being in a small minority when I could send them to a truly diverse school that is more representative of the reality of their daily lives?

Go for it. No one at Banneker is begging you to come. The kids do great. I have a white friend who's son is at McKinley. Similar statistics. MIT is trying to recruit him. Why? Because he has the hook of being smart and at an all black school. To me it was smart. In addition, he LOVES McKinley so everyone wins.

And there is another reason: the desire for segregation comes from both sides. Nobody wants to be a gate crasher if they don't have to.

I think you intentionally misstated PP statement. There is a vast difference between begging someone to come to your party versus excluding them. Banneker has an open invitation for all those interested to apply and come. Banneker does not recruit any students nor does the school exclude students based on race. All who can handle the load are welcome. So please stop spreading your vicious untruths also known as lies.

How about you stop with your angry reflexive reactions and accusations of malicious intent when clearly someone is just stating their feelings? PP isn't the first one to mention the "gate-crashing" theme - and the post they responded to certainly showed no welcoming attitude, but was quite aggressively worded. You don't need formal discrimination (nobody ever claimed that was the case) to worry about being viewed as a gate-crasher. And remember the PP who said she liked Cleveland because "all" the high-achievers were black? Even if she didn't really mean that she doesn't want ANY whites at her school, she made it clear that she would not want the school to become majority white. As long as sentiments like that are alive (on both sides), we will never truly achieve integration.

Sorry PP, I know that for you the truth hurts. Just because others have erroneously stated the "gate crashing accusation" does not make it true. It's just another malicious or intentional lie spread without a shred of facts or evidence. And if you are going to use the Cleveland poster to bolster your lies, you should at least attempt to be forthright and use her entire posts in their entirety. Your cherry picking what you want to read and breathe life into speaks volumes.

I really don't think you are helping your cause by continuing to accuse PPs of "lies" and malicious intent. What truth are you talking about, based on what facts or evidence? And what is the lie here? That whites are concerned about not being welcome at an all-black school? They may be wrong worrying about that, but getting angry and hurling insults at them is not going to change those feelings, and your fervent denial of any basis for this widespread concern is preposterous.

So what, exactly, is the basis for the "widespread" concern about white children attending a majority AA school? Would you find it an equally valid for Black parents to feel the same way about their child attending a majority white school?

The latter would very much depend on where the white school is. In the rural South? Yes, probably (although I am not personally familiar with that area). In DC? Not too much, most whites here are educated, liberal, and wary of racism, and at the very least value a little token diversity in their school. As for the first question, what do you expect for an answer? Sociological studies about the existence of racist feelings from both sides? I'm not saying that those necessarily play out at a high-achieving school like Banneker, but we all know they exist.

Different poster here. Pp, I get the distinction you're making between a white school in the rural South and a majority white school in a community with educated liberals but I think you're naive about how much it's possible for AA students, especially from poor and working class families, to feel like outsiders even in a school like that.

I agree with your point, but I think it would be more of a socioeconomic than racial issue.

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In your desire to support said poster, did you all just conveniently dismiss that PP stated, " the desire for self-segregation on both sides" was the reason for whites refusal to send their children to Banneker. Poster can state that she and whites choose to segregate, but by stating that Banneker and the students choose to segregate itself is a lie. That's not an opinion, that's a slur on the school, the students, and the parents. Not one defender, at any time, stated that they desired Banneker to segregate. Not one! However, many of you have rushed to defend and some even to perpetuate this slur, wrapped up in a lie.

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Just out of curiosity, how old are the last two posters? and, are you affiliated with Banneker in some way?

I'm the poster who has defended the concern of white parents to send their kids to an all-black or nearly all-black school (not talking about simple majority black) as understandable. I'm born in the 70s. I'm also a lifelong liberal and Obama supporter. I never said that white kids would actually feel excluded by the students at Banneker, but I that I can understand if someone is worried about it. It's not an issue that concerns me personally, as we are IB for Wilson and have no interest in commuting to a school that's far away.

Your concern or fear to send your child to Banneker does not equate to Banneker'sdesire to racially segregate itself in this city.

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Anonymous wrote:In your desire to support said poster, did you all just conveniently dismiss that PP stated, " the desire for self-segregation on both sides" was the reason for whites refusal to send their children to Banneker. Poster can state that she and whites choose to segregate, but by stating that Banneker and the students choose to segregate itself is a lie. That's not an opinion, that's a slur on the school, the students, and the parents. Not one defender, at any time, stated that they desired Banneker to segregate. Not one! However, many of you have rushed to defend and some even to perpetuate this slur, wrapped up in a lie.

Yes, that's bullshit. I think that's a story some white families may be telling themselves in order to avoid having to take the responsibility to at least investigate Banneker further.

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Anonymous wrote:I would say many qualified white students choose not to apply to Banneker because it's not a diverse school. At all. There's not much more to the issue than that, imo.

And once again we get to an issue raised in the TJ thread.

When white students are the majority of the school, minorities (blacks, latinos, Asians, etc) should just be quiet and 'put up with it'.

When a schools is 'too black' or 'too asian', whites take their ball and go home.

That's because white parents have plenty of other options. Minorities would do the same if they had ample options of high-performing schools where they are in the majority, but there aren't too many Bannkers. Nobody wants their kid to be part of a small minority. As long as minorities are actually in the minority, that's just how it's going to be. Why should I put my white kid in the position of being in a small minority when I could send them to a truly diverse school that is more representative of the reality of their daily lives?

Go for it. No one at Banneker is begging you to come. The kids do great. I have a white friend who's son is at McKinley. Similar statistics. MIT is trying to recruit him. Why? Because he has the hook of being smart and at an all black school. To me it was smart. In addition, he LOVES McKinley so everyone wins.

And there is another reason: the desire for segregation comes from both sides. Nobody wants to be a gate crasher if they don't have to.

I think you intentionally misstated PP statement. There is a vast difference between begging someone to come to your party versus excluding them. Banneker has an open invitation for all those interested to apply and come. Banneker does not recruit any students nor does the school exclude students based on race. All who can handle the load are welcome. So please stop spreading your vicious untruths also known as lies.

How about you stop with your angry reflexive reactions and accusations of malicious intent when clearly someone is just stating their feelings? PP isn't the first one to mention the "gate-crashing" theme - and the post they responded to certainly showed no welcoming attitude, but was quite aggressively worded. You don't need formal discrimination (nobody ever claimed that was the case) to worry about being viewed as a gate-crasher. And remember the PP who said she liked Cleveland because "all" the high-achievers were black? Even if she didn't really mean that she doesn't want ANY whites at her school, she made it clear that she would not want the school to become majority white. As long as sentiments like that are alive (on both sides), we will never truly achieve integration.

Sorry PP, I know that for you the truth hurts. Just because others have erroneously stated the "gate crashing accusation" does not make it true. It's just another malicious or intentional lie spread without a shred of facts or evidence. And if you are going to use the Cleveland poster to bolster your lies, you should at least attempt to be forthright and use her entire posts in their entirety. Your cherry picking what you want to read and breathe life into speaks volumes.

I really don't think you are helping your cause by continuing to accuse PPs of "lies" and malicious intent. What truth are you talking about, based on what facts or evidence? And what is the lie here? That whites are concerned about not being welcome at an all-black school? They may be wrong worrying about that, but getting angry and hurling insults at them is not going to change those feelings, and your fervent denial of any basis for this widespread concern is preposterous.

The stakeholders desire in self-segregation. That's the lie that is constantly bantered on these Banneker threads. As I previously stated, just because you are not begged to come to the party or given a personal invitation does not mean that you are excluded from the party that all was invited to participate and attend. By the way, I don't have a cause. I care not if you send your children to Banneker. I do however care when lies, rumors, and spurious accusations are cast against the school.

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+1. Assuming the crazy posters are affiliated with Banneker, what a disgrace, and what a surprise. No wonder why more whites (or Latinos or Asians) send their kids there. I'm leaving for more productive endeavors, bye.

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Okay, I'm overstating this and bound to offend someone but I have noticed on occasion in the Banneker threads (as well as the many threads about Hardy) that there are a few white posters who seem offended that administrators at majority black schools aren't begging them to come. Rather than taking the time to check out the school and see if it will work for their kids, they dismiss the school out of hand because of the possibility that they might have to extend themselves to navigate unfamiliar waters (being numerically in a racial minority when you're not used to it).

Yes, maybe it would be uncomfortable for your kids but it's something that AA students at majority white schools routinely have to face. As the infuriated poster has noted, just because it's unfamiliar for white students (who are used to being in the majority) that doesn't mean that Banneker students, teachers, and administrators want to self-segregate.

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Anonymous wrote:I would say many qualified white students choose not to apply to Banneker because it's not a diverse school. At all. There's not much more to the issue than that, imo.

And once again we get to an issue raised in the TJ thread.

When white students are the majority of the school, minorities (blacks, latinos, Asians, etc) should just be quiet and 'put up with it'.

When a schools is 'too black' or 'too asian', whites take their ball and go home.

That's because white parents have plenty of other options. Minorities would do the same if they had ample options of high-performing schools where they are in the majority, but there aren't too many Bannkers. Nobody wants their kid to be part of a small minority. As long as minorities are actually in the minority, that's just how it's going to be. Why should I put my white kid in the position of being in a small minority when I could send them to a truly diverse school that is more representative of the reality of their daily lives?

Go for it. No one at Banneker is begging you to come. The kids do great. I have a white friend who's son is at McKinley. Similar statistics. MIT is trying to recruit him. Why? Because he has the hook of being smart and at an all black school. To me it was smart. In addition, he LOVES McKinley so everyone wins.

And there is another reason: the desire for segregation comes from both sides. Nobody wants to be a gate crasher if they don't have to.

I think you intentionally misstated PP statement. There is a vast difference between begging someone to come to your party versus excluding them. Banneker has an open invitation for all those interested to apply and come. Banneker does not recruit any students nor does the school exclude students based on race. All who can handle the load are welcome. So please stop spreading your vicious untruths also known as lies.

How about you stop with your angry reflexive reactions and accusations of malicious intent when clearly someone is just stating their feelings? PP isn't the first one to mention the "gate-crashing" theme - and the post they responded to certainly showed no welcoming attitude, but was quite aggressively worded. You don't need formal discrimination (nobody ever claimed that was the case) to worry about being viewed as a gate-crasher. And remember the PP who said she liked Cleveland because "all" the high-achievers were black? Even if she didn't really mean that she doesn't want ANY whites at her school, she made it clear that she would not want the school to become majority white. As long as sentiments like that are alive (on both sides), we will never truly achieve integration.

Sorry PP, I know that for you the truth hurts. Just because others have erroneously stated the "gate crashing accusation" does not make it true. It's just another malicious or intentional lie spread without a shred of facts or evidence. And if you are going to use the Cleveland poster to bolster your lies, you should at least attempt to be forthright and use her entire posts in their entirety. Your cherry picking what you want to read and breathe life into speaks volumes.

I really don't think you are helping your cause by continuing to accuse PPs of "lies" and malicious intent. What truth are you talking about, based on what facts or evidence? And what is the lie here? That whites are concerned about not being welcome at an all-black school? They may be wrong worrying about that, but getting angry and hurling insults at them is not going to change those feelings, and your fervent denial of any basis for this widespread concern is preposterous.

The stakeholders desire in self-segregation. That's the lie that is constantly bantered on these Banneker threads. As I previously stated, just because you are not begged to come to the party or given a personal invitation does not mean that you are excluded from the party that all was invited to participate and attend. By the way, I don't have a cause. I care not if you send your children to Banneker. I do however care when lies, rumors, and spurious accusations are cast against the school.

I still think you don't know what a lie is. What you are talking about is an erroneous assumption, but not a lie. Nobody has an interest in spreading lies about a school they don't choose to send their kids to. Why would they do that? You sound pretty paranoid.

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+1. Assuming the crazy posters are affiliated with Banneker, what a disgrace, and what a surprise. No wonder why more whites (or Latinos or Asians) send their kids there. I'm leaving for more productive endeavors, bye.

Totally disagree. I've been offended by posters alluding that Bannker students self-segregate but decided not to say a peep. I have no affiliation with the school (my kid is in 1st grade and I'm interested. I'm also white). Just like another PP was not affiliated with Howard but felt compelled to speak up when someone said something to offensive about Howard. There are some actual decent posters on DCUM, some of us that speak up even if we have no relation to the subject. Please stop making assumptions, it's incredibly embarrassing.