Top 10 public "ranking"?
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Anonymous
DP Look at what is going on with Chicago's reputation and Yale's reputation. |
Anonymous
This is a public colleges related forum. No one cares about Yale or Chicago |
Anonymous
*thread |
Anonymous
DP Of course it does. Peer group is one of the most important characterisitics of a college. The test blind/test optional schools have less consistent quality in peer group. |
Anonymous
If they did that, they wouldn't need to ignore merit to achieve diversity. |
Anonymous
Doesn't matter, the repoutational effect is the same regardless of how the college is funded. test optional and test blind damage the reputation. And for good reason. |
Anonymous
Are we arguing that the applicants at the 62nd percentile of the University of Michigan’s in-state applicant pool or the students at the 75th percentile of the UVA in-state applicant pool, even though both schools permit applicants to hide shitty test scores by applying test optional, are better students than the students at the 90th percentile of UCLA’s in-state applicant pool? Or are we expected to believe that the highest performing band of students from California matriculating at UCLA are less likely to be superior performers than the highest performing band of students from Michigan matriculating at the University of Michigan or from Virginia matriculating at UVA? Because that’s the essence of the argument. And I’m not buying it. In addition to the above logic exercise, there are other details that undermine that argument, too, like the fact that California students perform materially better than Michigan on the PSAT/NMSQT and equivalent to Virginia students. I guess those facts will now require us to believe that students in California perform well on the PSAT, but collapse on the SAT or ACT? Or that they don’t collapse, but the high scoring students leave California for other colleges in other states at a rate higher than those leaving Michigan or Virginia? My sister in California has an n=3 in her household, all one-and-done (2 SAT, 1 ACT) - 1570, 1600, 36. The 1600 student is at a UC and that decision had zero to do with economics. Small sample, but consistent with just about every other family that I’ve known to take the UC route. Not a single low performer that I’m aware of, not even one. As for the Northeastern comparison, are you serious? NEU manipulates their reported results by using fall admits to their main campus as the numerator in their calculation, with total admits (fall and spring) to their entire network of campuses around the globe as the denominator. There is zero similarity. If UCLA did the same, I guess it would be like dividing the 10,500 UCLA admits to UCLA College (L&S) by the 252,000 total applicants to the UC system. Anyway, this extended debate is pointless. If you like UCLA, great. If you don’t, also great. Hopefully everyone is just happy where they landed. |
Anonymous
| * Regarding NEU, the denominator is total applications (not admits) |
Anonymous
Yeah, im not reading all that. |
Anonymous
this is a one of those "no duh" situations. It's the DEI folks who are killing public education all over the country. I lived in CA for 40 years -- k-12 + college. |
Anonymous
For sure - would hate for facts and logic to interfere with your feelings. Ax ain’t gonna grind itself, amirite? 🤣 |
Anonymous
Simmer down, Chico State. |
Anonymous
And what are all of these other public universities that are test required? This is what is being discussed. The articles have nothing to do with that question. And failing once again to confront any other assessment of a university’s quality beyond the test scores of its students. |
Anonymous
Other than Florida and Texas, what are these other top public universities REQUIRING a standardized test score? |
Anonymous
That’s exactly the question. That’s why this whole debate over test optional in what is supposed to be a discussion about top publics is stupid. They are almost all test optional, so evaluate them on other criteria (which you should do even if you had the test scores, because there is a lot else to evaluate). But the kids and strivers commenting here can’t, because they don’t know anything about college other than obsessing over tests they want to pass. |