What HHI for financial aid?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The HHI limit for FA is quite simply whatever the school wants it to be.

This isn't some Government program with a bunch of rigid guidelines. No one is overseeing the distribution of the funds to ensure that things are "fair".

They consider the applications and then distribute the money and "relative need" is just part of what they consider.

As a result, you have situations where families with high incomes get FA and those with lower ones do not. And they certainly get more than the families that don't apply.

Schools aren't immune to pleas from high earners based on special circumstances. Especially if they have some available money left in the FA budget.

Then there is the matter of "ethics". Today's WSJ has an article describing how large numbers are claiming they are disabled so they can get priority boarding and seating. They board the plane in wheelchairs and at the destination they walk off apparently being miraculously cured during the flight.

Many of us would never consider doing something like this. But there are many who see this as OK behavior. IMO we have more than a few people like this in the DMV.

The majority of disabled people who use a wheelchair in daily life can also walk a little. They use a chair when they're feeling poorly or have to walk a long distance or need to save energy.
Being able to walk a little doesn't mean they don't truly need a wheelchair. But these people face continued harassment from busybodies who think you should only use a wheelchair or services (or handicap parking) if you are entirely wheelchair bound. Those busybodies are the same as the people claiming you should only get FA if you are destitute.

+1. The rank ignorance of the judgmental people in these cases is the same.

No there is a WSJ article about the trend of people faking disability for airline benefits. You are the ignorant one for judging them without due diligence.

LOL, as if WSJ is a reliable source on this topic. I'm aware of the article because when it came out all the disabled people in my life and in my newsfeed said "this article is trash and piles on the existing problem of disabled people getting harassed for supposedly faking." But sure, you read it in WSJ so you are the expert.

I'm sure WSJ will soon or has already done an article on the "trend" of people who accept financial aid instead of simply going back in time to change everything about their life path in order to pay full tuition.

Explain to me how someone can walk through the airport independently without assistance but needs a wheelchair to get on and off an airplane? We both know this is nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The HHI limit for FA is quite simply whatever the school wants it to be.

This isn't some Government program with a bunch of rigid guidelines. No one is overseeing the distribution of the funds to ensure that things are "fair".

They consider the applications and then distribute the money and "relative need" is just part of what they consider.

As a result, you have situations where families with high incomes get FA and those with lower ones do not. And they certainly get more than the families that don't apply.

Schools aren't immune to pleas from high earners based on special circumstances. Especially if they have some available money left in the FA budget.

Then there is the matter of "ethics". Today's WSJ has an article describing how large numbers are claiming they are disabled so they can get priority boarding and seating. They board the plane in wheelchairs and at the destination they walk off apparently being miraculously cured during the flight.

Many of us would never consider doing something like this. But there are many who see this as OK behavior. IMO we have more than a few people like this in the DMV.

The majority of disabled people who use a wheelchair in daily life can also walk a little. They use a chair when they're feeling poorly or have to walk a long distance or need to save energy.
Being able to walk a little doesn't mean they don't truly need a wheelchair. But these people face continued harassment from busybodies who think you should only use a wheelchair or services (or handicap parking) if you are entirely wheelchair bound. Those busybodies are the same as the people claiming you should only get FA if you are destitute.

+1. The rank ignorance of the judgmental people in these cases is the same.

No there is a WSJ article about the trend of people faking disability for airline benefits. You are the ignorant one for judging them without due diligence.

LOL, as if WSJ is a reliable source on this topic. I'm aware of the article because when it came out all the disabled people in my life and in my newsfeed said "this article is trash and piles on the existing problem of disabled people getting harassed for supposedly faking." But sure, you read it in WSJ so you are the expert.

I'm sure WSJ will soon or has already done an article on the "trend" of people who accept financial aid instead of simply going back in time to change everything about their life path in order to pay full tuition.

Explain to me how someone can walk through the airport independently without assistance but needs a wheelchair to get on and off an airplane? We both know this is nonsense.

It makes as much sense as the families earning $300k - $400k who are on financial aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The airlines are complicit in the priority seating scam because they allow. Of course, they are fenced in on what they can do because of regulations, threats of lawsuits and a press that is unlikely to take their side.

The schools, however, acre the deciders on to whom the distribute FA. They can chortle not believe what’s on the FA application or even disregard it.

What they shouldn’t want to happen is people losing faith in the “fairness” of what they are doing. FA grants to people that the jury of parents feel are not worthy or who don’t really need it is a problem.

They’ve already got a problem with many misunderstanding why FA exists and what it’s supposed to accomplish. If a large numbers of people believe that the only legitimate recipients of FA are poor kids, then the school is starting in the hole.

I look completely healthy. I'm not. I have a horrible illness that should have killed me by now. I spend a few hours a day on treatments. Its misreable. I cannot get on a plane or go to most indoor things for risk of illness. You have no idea what one might be struggling with.

FA should be for very low income families. If you have a $4+K morgage you need to make better life choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The airlines are complicit in the priority seating scam because they allow. Of course, they are fenced in on what they can do because of regulations, threats of lawsuits and a press that is unlikely to take their side.

The schools, however, acre the deciders on to whom the distribute FA. They can chortle not believe what’s on the FA application or even disregard it.

What they shouldn’t want to happen is people losing faith in the “fairness” of what they are doing. FA grants to people that the jury of parents feel are not worthy or who don’t really need it is a problem.

They’ve already got a problem with many misunderstanding why FA exists and what it’s supposed to accomplish. If a large numbers of people believe that the only legitimate recipients of FA are poor kids, then the school is starting in the hole.

I look completely healthy. I'm not. I have a horrible illness that should have killed me by now. I spend a few hours a day on treatments. Its misreable. I cannot get on a plane or go to most indoor things for risk of illness. You have no idea what one might be struggling with.

FA should be for very low income families. If you have a $4+K morgage you need to make better life choices.

The life choices we need to be discussing are those who continue to send their kids to a school that they “know” is full of waste, fraud, and abuse.

[Anonymous]

"FA should be for very low income families."

But it isn't. Very few low-income families receive it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The airlines are complicit in the priority seating scam because they allow. Of course, they are fenced in on what they can do because of regulations, threats of lawsuits and a press that is unlikely to take their side.

The schools, however, acre the deciders on to whom the distribute FA. They can chortle not believe what’s on the FA application or even disregard it.

What they shouldn’t want to happen is people losing faith in the “fairness” of what they are doing. FA grants to people that the jury of parents feel are not worthy or who don’t really need it is a problem.

They’ve already got a problem with many misunderstanding why FA exists and what it’s supposed to accomplish. If a large numbers of people believe that the only legitimate recipients of FA are poor kids, then the school is starting in the hole.

I look completely healthy. I'm not. I have a horrible illness that should have killed me by now. I spend a few hours a day on treatments. Its misreable. I cannot get on a plane or go to most indoor things for risk of illness. You have no idea what one might be struggling with.

FA should be for very low income families. If you have a $4+K morgage you need to make better life choices.

The life choices we need to be discussing are those who continue to send their kids to a school that they “know” is full of waste, fraud, and abuse.

You are taking a single issue and blowing it out of proportion. Yes, the private schools have rampant waste, fraud, and abuse in their financial aid programs. This adds thousands of dollars onto the tuition that full pay families pay. However, they also provide an excellent education and experience for the kids that attend. Telling parents who recognize the financial aid scam to homeschool or go public instead is quite dumb. There are plusses and minuses for every schooling option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"FA should be for very low income families."

But it isn't. Very few low-income families receive it.

Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it? Schools and even families brag about how much FA they give but it’s not going to students who could benefit the most. To be fair, though, schools are only responding to their customers who don’t want those poor students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The airlines are complicit in the priority seating scam because they allow. Of course, they are fenced in on what they can do because of regulations, threats of lawsuits and a press that is unlikely to take their side.

The schools, however, acre the deciders on to whom the distribute FA. They can chortle not believe what’s on the FA application or even disregard it.

What they shouldn’t want to happen is people losing faith in the “fairness” of what they are doing. FA grants to people that the jury of parents feel are not worthy or who don’t really need it is a problem.

They’ve already got a problem with many misunderstanding why FA exists and what it’s supposed to accomplish. If a large numbers of people believe that the only legitimate recipients of FA are poor kids, then the school is starting in the hole.

I look completely healthy. I'm not. I have a horrible illness that should have killed me by now. I spend a few hours a day on treatments. Its misreable. I cannot get on a plane or go to most indoor things for risk of illness. You have no idea what one might be struggling with.

FA should be for very low income families. If you have a $4+K morgage you need to make better life choices.

The life choices we need to be discussing are those who continue to send their kids to a school that they “know” is full of waste, fraud, and abuse.

You are taking a single issue and blowing it out of proportion. Yes, the private schools have rampant waste, fraud, and abuse in their financial aid programs. This adds thousands of dollars onto the tuition that full pay families pay. However, they also provide an excellent education and experience for the kids that attend. Telling parents who recognize the financial aid scam to homeschool or go public instead is quite dumb. There are plusses and minuses for every schooling option.

Nice rationalization for your choice to support all this waste, fraud and abuse.

We are all anonymous friends here. Share the hard data you have regarding all this WFA. What’s your source?

And of course, you are bringing this to the attention of your school community so that corrective action can be taken.

[Anonymous]

Work with your board to lower tuition for everybody. There is an affordability crisis. Shrink the financial aid budget 50% to accomplish this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"FA should be for very low income families."

But it isn't. Very few low-income families receive it.

Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it? Schools and even families brag about how much FA they give but it’s not going to students who could benefit the most. To be fair, though, schools are only responding to their customers who don’t want those poor students.

It’s not that they don’t want them. It’s that they can’t afford them or at least can’t afford more than a few. And the ones they do want can frequently dunk a basketball.

Private schools are a luxury good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The airlines are complicit in the priority seating scam because they allow. Of course, they are fenced in on what they can do because of regulations, threats of lawsuits and a press that is unlikely to take their side.

The schools, however, acre the deciders on to whom the distribute FA. They can chortle not believe what’s on the FA application or even disregard it.

What they shouldn’t want to happen is people losing faith in the “fairness” of what they are doing. FA grants to people that the jury of parents feel are not worthy or who don’t really need it is a problem.

They’ve already got a problem with many misunderstanding why FA exists and what it’s supposed to accomplish. If a large numbers of people believe that the only legitimate recipients of FA are poor kids, then the school is starting in the hole.

I look completely healthy. I'm not. I have a horrible illness that should have killed me by now. I spend a few hours a day on treatments. Its misreable. I cannot get on a plane or go to most indoor things for risk of illness. You have no idea what one might be struggling with.

FA should be for very low income families. If you have a $4+K morgage you need to make better life choices.

The life choices we need to be discussing are those who continue to send their kids to a school that they “know” is full of waste, fraud, and abuse.

You are taking a single issue and blowing it out of proportion. Yes, the private schools have rampant waste, fraud, and abuse in their financial aid programs. This adds thousands of dollars onto the tuition that full pay families pay. However, they also provide an excellent education and experience for the kids that attend. Telling parents who recognize the financial aid scam to homeschool or go public instead is quite dumb. There are plusses and minuses for every schooling option.

Nice rationalization for your choice to support all this waste, fraud and abuse.

We are all anonymous friends here. Share the hard data you have regarding all this WFA. What’s your source?

And of course, you are bringing this to the attention of your school community so that corrective action can be taken.

+1. Also, how naive to think that this rampant waste, fraud and abuse stops at the door of the financial aid office. The cognitive dissonance is strong.

[Anonymous]

This idea that there is waste, fraud and abuse in private schools is pure lunacy. This isn’t some Government agency doling out millions.

The privates spend money on faculty and staff salaries and in maintaining their buildings and grounds.

Are you suggesting there are phantom employees getting paychecks?

You idea is ludicrous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"FA should be for very low income families."

But it isn't. Very few low-income families receive it.

Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it? Schools and even families brag about how much FA they give but it’s not going to students who could benefit the most. To be fair, though, schools are only responding to their customers who don’t want those poor students.

It’s not that they don’t want them. It’s that they can’t afford them or at least can’t afford more than a few. And the ones they do want can frequently dunk a basketball.

Private schools are a luxury good.

Then, at the very least, they should be more transparent about their FA rather than pretend they value diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This idea that there is waste, fraud and abuse in private schools is pure lunacy. This isn’t some Government agency doling out millions.

The privates spend money on faculty and staff salaries and in maintaining their buildings and grounds.

Are you suggesting there are phantom employees getting paychecks?

You idea is ludicrous.

Not at all. The waste, fraud, and abuse is real. This is all accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The airlines are complicit in the priority seating scam because they allow. Of course, they are fenced in on what they can do because of regulations, threats of lawsuits and a press that is unlikely to take their side.

The schools, however, acre the deciders on to whom the distribute FA. They can chortle not believe what’s on the FA application or even disregard it.

What they shouldn’t want to happen is people losing faith in the “fairness” of what they are doing. FA grants to people that the jury of parents feel are not worthy or who don’t really need it is a problem.

They’ve already got a problem with many misunderstanding why FA exists and what it’s supposed to accomplish. If a large numbers of people believe that the only legitimate recipients of FA are poor kids, then the school is starting in the hole.

I look completely healthy. I'm not. I have a horrible illness that should have killed me by now. I spend a few hours a day on treatments. Its misreable. I cannot get on a plane or go to most indoor things for risk of illness. You have no idea what one might be struggling with.

FA should be for very low income families. If you have a $4+K morgage you need to make better life choices.

The median house in this market will result in a greater than 4K/mo mortgage with a 20% down payment.