Can you explain? Did the parents demand enless technology in the classroom and poor curiculla choices? These are the biggest issues I had in our ES. "Learning to read" means guessing sight words on an app on the Chromebook. It's no wonder the kids are frustrated and can't pay attention. I never expected that I'd have to use a full blown phonics program at home to make up the gaps. |
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Just read the thread in which a parent was insistent that her fifth grader had 4-5 hours of homework each night and wanted to know how the teacher would treat her child the rest of the year if she complained to the principal.
That poster was unwilling to listen to other parents who said it was extremely unlikely that 4-5 hours of work were assigned each night and she should approach the teacher. |
My experience exactly. |
I’m not blaming COVID for bad teachers, I’m using it as an explanation for why saying teachers have it worse than anyone else is just patently false. They stayed at home for 3 years while nurses showed up at work and risked their lives. Doctors had unprecedented suicide rates. And teachers are here saying they have the worst treatment *ever* of *anyone*. Get some perspective. |
And so you think this means you have a harder job than others who only get a 20 minute (in their case, unpaid) lunchbreak? I get that teachers have hard jobs but this idea that no one could possibly have it as hard as you is so flawed. Go work at an amazon packing warehouse in November. Be a healthcare aide. Be the resident coordinator in a group home. Work in the VA mental healthcare system. And then count your blessings before you complain that you only get a 20 minute break. |
I won't dispute that teaching is a hard job, but the results that teachers have gotten over the last 30 years suggests that the arm chair critics probably do know better. Professionalized education has been a failure, across the board. You can say "we didn't design the system" but that's wrong. The biggest failures of the system (Lucy Calkins, etc.) are coming out of the same education schools that train teachers. If teachers want people to respect their "expertise" they need to demonstrate that that expertise is actually working to educate children, but right now it isn't. You can't constantly fail and then complain that people think they know better than you do. |
I’m a little tired of the hyperbole. It’s exhausting. Teachers aren’t saying they have it HARDER. They are saying they have it HARD. This is absurd. Stop trying to silence teachers who, incidentally, are more aware of the conditions of their jobs than you are. When a teacher says they have it hard, try commiserating. Stop trying to belittle what we experience. Guess what? You don’t actually know what we experience. Saying we have it hard doesn’t mean that you can’t have it hard, also. It’s not a dang competition. |
DP, but the original poster in this chain started the competition. "Conditions no reasonable adult would tolerate" "expectations no other profession on earth would endure." People are responding to that. |
Here’s the exact quote I’m responding to: “because they’ve spent years being ground down by expectations no other profession on earth would endure.” If teachers truly believe this, that no other profession on earth endures what they do, then they will feel victimized and resentful . They will also be wrong. By any measure, medical professionals had it harder from 2020 through 2023 thab teachers did. If they can’t even have that much self-awareness, how are they ever going to gain per perspective? |
Well, how about this: Have those medical professionals had their yearly appreciation donut punitively taken away in front of their colleagues? Have they had to sit on the floor to hear a towering “expert” tell them how posted objectives will make them better teachers? Have they had meetings start with “one-two-three-eyes on me?” (The correct response is “one-two-eyes on you!”) Have they been held against a wall by a patient, only be told by their boss that they asked for it because they hadn’t formed proper relationships? See, here’s the thing: I doubt doctors endure that. No doubt they endure other hardships, just as hard and even harder, but these ones? The ones that mock, belittle, infantize, and devalue? No, I doubt they do. I have the self-awareness to know that there are aspects of teaching other professionals don’t experience. That doesn’t mean it’s HARDER, but let’s be honest with ourselves here. Many people aren’t putting up with the conditions above, evidenced by the teachers currently fleeing the profession. And if a doctor were to tell me their hardships, I’m not going to say, “well, I have it much harder.” I’m going to say, “that stinks. I’m sorry to hear that.” But that’s because I respect them and don’t feel this ingrained need to put them in their place (like we do so often to teachers). |
Something doesn’t have to be the same to be worse. Nurses are frequently are routinely attacked by patients and often gaslighted by their leadership, if you didn’t know that, shame on you, here is a resource to educate yourself: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1541461224003252 Doctors and nurses literally risked their lives while teachers stayed at home. I’m sorry someone took a donut away from you. I’m sure that was upsetting. If you persist in believing no one has ever had it as bad as you, and that you’ve “spent years being ground down by expectations no other profession on earth would endure.” then believe that. But you’re wrong, and people will continue to tell you that. |
I LITERALLY wrote that medical professionals can have it harder. But you decided to skip over that just so you can cut a teacher down. Feel better? Oh, and I worked in person during Covid. I caught it twice, bringing it home each time to a compromised family member. I also had no planning periods for months because I had to cover my colleagues as they got sick. I had to deal with screaming parents about policies I didn’t create. I had to do double work, teaching during the day and Zooming at night with sick students. And OF COURSE nurses are attacked. But so are teachers. One matters to you; the other does not. Clearly. One of us is being respectful and balanced. One of us is being ignorant and rude. I’ll leave you to figure out which is which. |
The ignorance is the teacher who said “they’ve spent years being ground down by expectations no other profession on earth would endure.” If that’s you, work harder to gain perspective. If you acknowledge plenty of other professionals have worse conditions, then there’s no need to try to win the suffering olympics because you once had a donut taken away. |
DP. No one has been rude to you in the conversation. |
That wasn’t me. There are plenty of people posting on this site. But I will admit that I have no problem with teachers talking about the challenges of the profession, especially on a thread LITERALLY ABOUT TEACHERS’ STRUGGLES. Regarding the donut: that was me. I suppose it isn’t a big deal to you, but being disciplined publicly is a big deal to me. (Want to know what got me written up that day? I was helping a student with a crisis in the parking lot and signed in late. I was too busy calling for medical aid to make it to admin’s “teacher appreciation” event. That write-up still stands in my file.) Regarding the suffering Olympics: I’ve never participated. I’ve repeatedly given respect to other professions. Apparently to you, I haven’t given enough. Unless I concede that my job is easy? Is that what it will take for YOU to end the Olympics? |