Why Are Teachers So Resentful?

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Anonymous wrote:Complainers: “Teachers have it so easy.”

My response: “We’re hiring. Come on board!”

Usually shuts them up.

And then you will complain about new teachers.

Perhaps retention rates are so poor because younger teachers with the qualifications to leave don’t want to work with older teachers who whine constantly?

Veteran teachers are not what's driving young teachers to quit. Full stop.

If the ones on this board are anything to go by, I think you’re wrong.

You think any of these people who were targeted by Elon Musk are going to want to work with someone who seriously complains about the time their donut was taken away?

https://wjla.com/news/local/maryland-teacher-shortage-hiring-laid-off-federal-government-workers-feds-to-eds-program-fast-track-process-reducing-staff-shortages-montgomery-county-prince-georges-baltimore-teaching-vacancies-certifications

Oh, it’s you. (I’m guessing all the anti-teacher posts on this thread are you, actually.)

So where’s the retention data? That program brought in 32 people across two cohorts. Have any idea how they’re doing?

Its very easy to find that out, just ask Jeff, but there are several people who don’t buy the “teachers suffer endlessly” story on this thread.

Yeah, but only one of them repeatedly posts hyperbole in the same manner. (Seriously, nobody has posted that “teachers suffer endlessly”. Those are your words and yours only.)

And, as I’ve posted before:

This is literally a thread about teachers’ challenges. You have nothing contribute as you don’t know what it’s like to teach.

If you would like to start a thread to belittle teachers and to post your assumptions about the field, what’s stopping you? Then your posts would actually be on-topic.

Because this thread needs perspective that isn’t, as another DP put it, so reeking with main character syndrome’. Good teachers (whom i know) resent the heck out of whining co-workers and the damage they do the profession.

I don’t believe you. You have not had that conversation. And good teachers care about making things better, so they aren’t silent.

You seem to be oddly drawn to a thread that has nothing to do with you. Teachers ARE the main characters on a thread about teachers. I’m not sure why that bothers you, but it clearly does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Complainers: “Teachers have it so easy.”

My response: “We’re hiring. Come on board!”

Usually shuts them up.

And then you will complain about new teachers.

Perhaps retention rates are so poor because younger teachers with the qualifications to leave don’t want to work with older teachers who whine constantly?

Veteran teachers are not what's driving young teachers to quit. Full stop.

If the ones on this board are anything to go by, I think you’re wrong.

You think any of these people who were targeted by Elon Musk are going to want to work with someone who seriously complains about the time their donut was taken away?

https://wjla.com/news/local/maryland-teacher-shortage-hiring-laid-off-federal-government-workers-feds-to-eds-program-fast-track-process-reducing-staff-shortages-montgomery-county-prince-georges-baltimore-teaching-vacancies-certifications

Oh, it’s you. (I’m guessing all the anti-teacher posts on this thread are you, actually.)

So where’s the retention data? That program brought in 32 people across two cohorts. Have any idea how they’re doing?

Its very easy to find that out, just ask Jeff, but there are several people who don’t buy the “teachers suffer endlessly” story on this thread.

Yeah, but only one of them repeatedly posts hyperbole in the same manner. (Seriously, nobody has posted that “teachers suffer endlessly”. Those are your words and yours only.)

And, as I’ve posted before:

This is literally a thread about teachers’ challenges. You have nothing contribute as you don’t know what it’s like to teach.

If you would like to start a thread to belittle teachers and to post your assumptions about the field, what’s stopping you? Then your posts would actually be on-topic.

Because this thread needs perspective that isn’t, as another DP put it, so reeking with main character syndrome’. Good teachers (whom i know) resent the heck out of whining co-workers and the damage they do the profession.

I don’t believe you. You have not had that conversation. And good teachers care about making things better, so they aren’t silent.

You seem to be oddly drawn to a thread that has nothing to do with you. Teachers ARE the main characters on a thread about teachers. I’m not sure why that bothers you, but it clearly does.

I don’t know why it would surprise you, teachers are people who talk about their workplaces. Yes including those teachers making them look bad to parents.

[Anonymous]

OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers in America need to learn humility. It's a failed profession. The results are abysmal and for all the talk about how hard they work, there's nothing to show for it. Every generation of kids is more badly educated than the last. Instead of accepting their responsibility for that, they vilify parents, because those are the people who see their failure up close and personal.

Parents need to learn how to discipline their kids. Schools are not designed to be a surrogate parent. Get the sped and crazies out of gen ed if they can't sit still and get their work done in a timely fashion on their own. Expel poor behaving kids. Grade with expectation. Teachers can't be held responsible for much of the low performance and chaos since they're not allowed to mete appropriate consequences.

To compare, imagine if school orchestras and sports teams were forced to put up with what gen ed teachers experience. Do you think those would be able to function and the directors/coaches would stick around?

As a parent I'm sick of the good students endlessly taking one for the team and the good teachers being replaced by well intentioned people with provisional teaching credentials.

Many parents want this too. In fact last year there was a kid in DCs class who really shouldn't have been and their parent knew it and was trying SO HARD to get their DC in a self-contained classroom and was rejected at every turn. It was a hard situation all around but the parents didn't have $$ for a specialized private, which was really thr only alternative available to them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers in America need to learn humility. It's a failed profession. The results are abysmal and for all the talk about how hard they work, there's nothing to show for it. Every generation of kids is more badly educated than the last. Instead of accepting their responsibility for that, they vilify parents, because those are the people who see their failure up close and personal.

Who do you think makes decisions in education? Not teachers. Teachers have to fill in the gaps.

Consultants, school boards, and administrators make the decisions. Teachers deal with the fallout. And the fact they get as much done as they do after the influence of those who don’t teach? That’s impressive.

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Teachers did not randomly themselves start telling kids not to sound out words and to guess them instead. That was told to them re: how they needed to teach.

Teachers do not invent this insane new rule about emptying classrooms when one kid who does not belong mainstreamed is throwing a fit and destroying it.

Ok but then stop blaming the parents for their kids struggling to read. Because I see that over and over again, the parent should have been "working with them at home" but if they were using the same failed techniques the school was teaching, the kid still wasn't going to learn. I have two kids with a gap of several years in between and it was so much easier to support my younger DC with reading because they were getting a solid foundation IN school. Whereas with the older one I felt like I was swimming against the tide trying to help them.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing the emergency. It’s well documented that younger generations (Millennial and Z) change jobs more. I don’t necessarily think the kids benefit more from older— clearly deeply resentful— teachers vs younger ones. U.S unemployment is believed to be approaching 5% so we will see people going into teaching who didn’t consider it before because they had higher-demand skills.

For AP classes like Phys C, Chem, and BC, and also Calc 3, much older, experienced teachers seem to be way better than younger ones in a small sample size at one high school, and could be seen in AP scores as well. In fact, in the case where there were multiple teachers teaching different sections of the same course, it seems that the older teachers were coordinating much of the pace of the class as well as writing the exams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

[Anonymous]

It’s Thanksgiving. Can we give the teacher bashing a rest until tomorrow?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Complainers: “Teachers have it so easy.”

My response: “We’re hiring. Come on board!”

Usually shuts them up.

And then you will complain about new teachers.

Perhaps retention rates are so poor because younger teachers with the qualifications to leave don’t want to work with older teachers who whine constantly?

Veteran teachers are not what's driving young teachers to quit. Full stop.

If the ones on this board are anything to go by, I think you’re wrong.

You think any of these people who were targeted by Elon Musk are going to want to work with someone who seriously complains about the time their donut was taken away?

https://wjla.com/news/local/maryland-teacher-shortage-hiring-laid-off-federal-government-workers-feds-to-eds-program-fast-track-process-reducing-staff-shortages-montgomery-county-prince-georges-baltimore-teaching-vacancies-certifications

Oh, it’s you. (I’m guessing all the anti-teacher posts on this thread are you, actually.)

So where’s the retention data? That program brought in 32 people across two cohorts. Have any idea how they’re doing?

Its very easy to find that out, just ask Jeff, but there are several people who don’t buy the “teachers suffer endlessly” story on this thread.

Yeah, but only one of them repeatedly posts hyperbole in the same manner. (Seriously, nobody has posted that “teachers suffer endlessly”. Those are your words and yours only.)

And, as I’ve posted before:

This is literally a thread about teachers’ challenges. You have nothing contribute as you don’t know what it’s like to teach.

If you would like to start a thread to belittle teachers and to post your assumptions about the field, what’s stopping you? Then your posts would actually be on-topic.

Because this thread needs perspective that isn’t, as another DP put it, so reeking with main character syndrome’. Good teachers (whom i know) resent the heck out of whining co-workers and the damage they do the profession.

I don’t believe you. You have not had that conversation. And good teachers care about making things better, so they aren’t silent.

You seem to be oddly drawn to a thread that has nothing to do with you. Teachers ARE the main characters on a thread about teachers. I’m not sure why that bothers you, but it clearly does.

You’re wasting your breath. People like the person to whom you’re responding consider teachers “the help” and therefore they find them to be uppity and disrespectful if they dare speak their minds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two things IMO:

(1) Educational standards have changed, making teaching more difficult. Textbooks are not used, which force teachers to come up with curriculum every day and find resources on their own. There are expectations that teachers teach to every level of student, which is, of course, impossible. It's exhausting and you cannot be successful.

(2) Parenting has changed. We wanted to believe that our child's peers would have engaged parents who cared about them and truly wanted to be there for their kids. What we found at private school was that the parents were disengaged and the kids were brats. At public, it was split with the good kids in the advanced classes and the kids with totally checked out parents in the other classes. You cannot teach when the kids don't care to learn.

I wanted to be a teacher and thought I would move to it when my financial situation allowed, but now at age 52, I have no interest in returning. I don't think they want teachers like me who like to teach math by the book with plenty of practice and repetition, regular tests and quizzes with fair grades, and a strict classroom with no phones or devices period.

It sounds like you are describing WES. Maybe apply there?

Parenting hasn't changed that much. And, many teachers buy a bad curriculum online, few do it themselves.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG! Feds to Eds? Seriously? This is what happens when licensed teachers are driven out. Our students get ex feds who just want a pay check and have no real training, experience, education or passion.

I can’t imagine how thrilled they’ll be to work with you. I’m sure that will do wonders for their morale and consequently retention.

Trust me..they won't last and it will have nothing to do with me. Parents and students will eat them alive.

Yeah, this is definitely a group of people that’s never faced workplace adversity 🙄🙄🙄 remind me the last time, public school teachers worked more than a month unpaid?

Yes, they work many months without pay. It's called "student teaching"

See this is the entitlement that makes these threads need perspective. Entry into plenty of professions requires internships, or fellowships, which are often unpaid. Student teaching, on the other hand, is done for course credit— thats what the payment was.

DP here. A PP was calling out teachers for not understanding what unpaid work is like. Somebody corrected them, saying that student teachers work full-time in school for no pay. (And credit? Please. Student teachers pay full tuition for the privilege of teaching full-time for free.)

So spew your hate at the profession all you want. You’ve proven time and time again in this thread that you are sadly ignorant. And each subsequent post will drive the point home.