Write-in for Virginia AG?

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Anonymous wrote:Rights and norms being destroyed.....

In many states, women no longer have the ability to make medical decisions regarding their bodies during a pregnancy. In fact, a woman can die, but her body will still be kept on life support to incubate a child regardless of family decisions. This policy is resulting in harm and death to women.

Freedom of the press is being infringed upon. AP News was removed from the White House press pool for not using "Gulf of America" in its guidelines. No American government official should use coercion upon a free press.

The Hatch Act is being quite openly violated with the messages on various government websites stating that this is a "Democrat shutdown." Keep politics out of federal agencies. The American government does not work for one party or another; it works for the American people, which is why the Hatch Act is so important.

The current administration has ended longstanding rules in place to ensure that federal contractors do not discriminate in against their employees on the basis of race, religion, sex, age, or other reasons. Those rules have been in place for 60 years, through Republican and Democratic administrations. The country used to believe in not discriminating against people.
 
America is currently looking to deport Afghan refugees who supported American troops during our military operations there. Many refugees have claimed that it would be death to return to Afghanistan, that they would be targeted by the Taliban, yet the current administration is making outlandish claims that the Taliban is totally cool with American supporters. There's no "right" to be a refugee in America, but the norm used to be that America didn't stab its allies in the back. Certainly no one will ever want to help Americans in overseas operations if the country is so willing to throw its allies to the sharks.

ICE is detaining citizens. The military has been deployed to cities. I don't think the "norm" is to have such a militant force deployed throughout the country. 

This is a small thing, but I was reading about the removal of the penny from circulation. The current administration abruptly stopped production of the penny, which seems pretty straightforward, right? But they offered no guidance on how retailers are supposed to respond. Many states have laws that prohibit retailers from charging a different price when someone pays cash versus credit card, which means retailers cannot round up when someone pays cash and no pennies are available. If retailers run out of pennies (and they are running out), then they must round down every time, which is adding up to millions of dollars in losses. 

That's been characteristic of this administration -- roll out a policy quickly and without thought, then the American people are forced to deal with the consequences. There's a reason the American government was designed to move slowly -- and it was designed that way from the start. That slowness is part of the democratic process, so all consequences can be considered. This should not be a country where one can just tear down a part of the White House because one person wants it. That has never, ever been the American way.

So how does this play into local politics? It's because the attorney general, the legislative branch of the state, is one of the checks and balances set up against the federal government. So if the federal government starts infringing on the rights of a state, then the attorney general can step in.

Like in the loss of the penny. A state attorney general can sue the federal government to force nation-wide guidance on how retailers should respond to the loss of the penny, and pass laws to protect retailers so they can round both up and down and not take losses. 

Attorney generals can't protect against everything, I know. They can't enforce the Hatch Act. But there will be instances when they CAN step in, and that's why Virginia needs an attorney general who won't just rubber stamp approval on everything coming from the current Trump administration. That's where we are today. 

Here are some logical, rational reasons to vote for D leadership in VA.

Did any of the “moderates” read it? No.

Reading it doesn’t automatically mean one agrees with it.

PP took a lot of time to spell out rights and norms being trashed by Trump. Have any of these "moderates", including the PP who asked for the details, posted a sincere response? No.

PP was wasting her time. "Moderates" DGAF about facts or reason.

I’m the PP who asked for the details. I stopped responding because I don’t agree that any of those rights and norms are being trashed by Trump.

In fact, I don’t even agree that many of what PP considers “rights and norms” are in fact rights or norms. Why shouldn’t we try to save a baby if the mother dies prematurely and the baby is viable? Why shouldn’t we enforce our existing immigration laws passed by democratically elected officials? The DC city council was asking for the National Guard to be deployed to DC in the early 2020’s - what changed that makes it now a fascist action? And you’re seriously pointing to the penny as an example here?

Obviously it’s indicative of a larger issue if we don’t even agree on what constitutes rights and norms (I’d argue the constitution and our laws guide us here, but PP’s response indicated otherwise).

You nitpick on a few examples and neglect the big ones.

Women’s healthcare
Freedom of the press
Habeas corpus
Hatch act
Massive, careless layoffs
Firing women & black officials because of their gender/sex
Political revenge

The penny was given as a small example of the recklessness of Trump’s administration. This all creates chaos, not the norm of a stable government.

I’m sure you’re fine with all of that too.

The penny has needed to go away for a while. The obsession with it is a dogwhistle for your fear of change no matter how trivial.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Rights and norms being destroyed.....

In many states, women no longer have the ability to make medical decisions regarding their bodies during a pregnancy. In fact, a woman can die, but her body will still be kept on life support to incubate a child regardless of family decisions. This policy is resulting in harm and death to women.

Freedom of the press is being infringed upon. AP News was removed from the White House press pool for not using "Gulf of America" in its guidelines. No American government official should use coercion upon a free press.

The Hatch Act is being quite openly violated with the messages on various government websites stating that this is a "Democrat shutdown." Keep politics out of federal agencies. The American government does not work for one party or another; it works for the American people, which is why the Hatch Act is so important.

The current administration has ended longstanding rules in place to ensure that federal contractors do not discriminate in against their employees on the basis of race, religion, sex, age, or other reasons. Those rules have been in place for 60 years, through Republican and Democratic administrations. The country used to believe in not discriminating against people.
 
America is currently looking to deport Afghan refugees who supported American troops during our military operations there. Many refugees have claimed that it would be death to return to Afghanistan, that they would be targeted by the Taliban, yet the current administration is making outlandish claims that the Taliban is totally cool with American supporters. There's no "right" to be a refugee in America, but the norm used to be that America didn't stab its allies in the back. Certainly no one will ever want to help Americans in overseas operations if the country is so willing to throw its allies to the sharks.

ICE is detaining citizens. The military has been deployed to cities. I don't think the "norm" is to have such a militant force deployed throughout the country. 

This is a small thing, but I was reading about the removal of the penny from circulation. The current administration abruptly stopped production of the penny, which seems pretty straightforward, right? But they offered no guidance on how retailers are supposed to respond. Many states have laws that prohibit retailers from charging a different price when someone pays cash versus credit card, which means retailers cannot round up when someone pays cash and no pennies are available. If retailers run out of pennies (and they are running out), then they must round down every time, which is adding up to millions of dollars in losses. 

That's been characteristic of this administration -- roll out a policy quickly and without thought, then the American people are forced to deal with the consequences. There's a reason the American government was designed to move slowly -- and it was designed that way from the start. That slowness is part of the democratic process, so all consequences can be considered. This should not be a country where one can just tear down a part of the White House because one person wants it. That has never, ever been the American way.

So how does this play into local politics? It's because the attorney general, the legislative branch of the state, is one of the checks and balances set up against the federal government. So if the federal government starts infringing on the rights of a state, then the attorney general can step in.

Like in the loss of the penny. A state attorney general can sue the federal government to force nation-wide guidance on how retailers should respond to the loss of the penny, and pass laws to protect retailers so they can round both up and down and not take losses. 

Attorney generals can't protect against everything, I know. They can't enforce the Hatch Act. But there will be instances when they CAN step in, and that's why Virginia needs an attorney general who won't just rubber stamp approval on everything coming from the current Trump administration. That's where we are today. 

Here are some logical, rational reasons to vote for D leadership in VA.

Did any of the “moderates” read it? No.

Reading it doesn’t automatically mean one agrees with it.

PP took a lot of time to spell out rights and norms being trashed by Trump. Have any of these "moderates", including the PP who asked for the details, posted a sincere response? No.

PP was wasting her time. "Moderates" DGAF about facts or reason.

I’m the PP who asked for the details. I stopped responding because I don’t agree that any of those rights and norms are being trashed by Trump.

In fact, I don’t even agree that many of what PP considers “rights and norms” are in fact rights or norms. Why shouldn’t we try to save a baby if the mother dies prematurely and the baby is viable? Why shouldn’t we enforce our existing immigration laws passed by democratically elected officials? The DC city council was asking for the National Guard to be deployed to DC in the early 2020’s - what changed that makes it now a fascist action? And you’re seriously pointing to the penny as an example here?

Obviously it’s indicative of a larger issue if we don’t even agree on what constitutes rights and norms (I’d argue the constitution and our laws guide us here, but PP’s response indicated otherwise).

You nitpick on a few examples and neglect the big ones.

Women’s healthcare
Freedom of the press
Habeas corpus
Hatch act
Massive, careless layoffs
Firing women & black officials because of their gender/sex
Political revenge

The penny was given as a small example of the recklessness of Trump’s administration. This all creates chaos, not the norm of a stable government.

I’m sure you’re fine with all of that too.

The penny has needed to go away for a while. The obsession with it is a dogwhistle for your fear of change no matter how trivial.

I DGAF about the penny; the PP gave it as an example of how all of the small, reckless decisions cause chaos and instability.

And…no response to anything else?

[Anonymous]

I'm 100% voting for Spanberger. And while I would like us to have a Democrat choice for AG who is not Jay Jones, this is what we have. If I want Spanberger's policies to be supported and fought for, I need to vote for an AG who will support those policies. And that means voting for Jones.

[Anonymous]

I voted for Spanberger and ultimately voted for Miyares. I don’t care what the angry seething people on this thread will say or what names they’ll call me. I found Spanberger and Mirayes best suited for their respective roles. If they both win, they’ll have to work together, and I think they will to a certain extent. Both aspire to higher office. Screwing over VA won’t look good on either of their resumes.

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Anonymous wrote:No point in voting for Spanberger if you plan to write in someone for AG. That office is powerful and can bring Spanberger down.

So if you want her to succeed, you have to vote for Jay Jones.

lol you know Maryland had Larry Hogan as governor and Dem AG Brian Frosh and all was fine, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I voted for Spanberger and ultimately voted for Miyares. I don’t care what the angry seething people on this thread will say or what names they’ll call me. I found Spanberger and Mirayes best suited for their respective roles. If they both win, they’ll have to work together, and I think they will to a certain extent. Both aspire to higher office. Screwing over VA won’t look good on either of their resumes.

I'm really conflicted about my AG vote (voting tomorrow). I think ultimately, I'm going to vote for Jones, even though I think he's a terrible person, but I completely understand voting for Miyares in this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I voted for Spanberger and ultimately voted for Miyares. I don’t care what the angry seething people on this thread will say or what names they’ll call me. I found Spanberger and Mirayes best suited for their respective roles. If they both win, they’ll have to work together, and I think they will to a certain extent. Both aspire to higher office. Screwing over VA won’t look good on either of their resumes.

There have been lawsuits, this year, about blocked grants, fired feds, decertifying federal unions, etc. by many states. Virginia has joined none of them. Miyares is not suited to his role of representing Virginians and, no matter my disapproval of his personal life, Jones is better suited. He has my vote. Miyares would have if he had done a better job, but he didn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Spanberger and ultimately voted for Miyares. I don’t care what the angry seething people on this thread will say or what names they’ll call me. I found Spanberger and Mirayes best suited for their respective roles. If they both win, they’ll have to work together, and I think they will to a certain extent. Both aspire to higher office. Screwing over VA won’t look good on either of their resumes.

There have been lawsuits, this year, about blocked grants, fired feds, decertifying federal unions, etc. by many states. Virginia has joined none of them. Miyares is not suited to his role of representing Virginians and, no matter my disapproval of his personal life, Jones is better suited. He has my vote. Miyares would have if he had done a better job, but he didn't.

+1. Miyares has not defended Virginia againat Trump attacks. We have not joined lawsuits to protect against unlawful use of the National Guard, the failure to use contingency funds foe SNAP benefits and more. Miyares won’t protect our elections from interference by Trump who has an EO set up for that that is currently being challenged by others but not VA. Jones seems like a horrible person but he will be on our side against the trump assault.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Spanberger and ultimately voted for Miyares. I don’t care what the angry seething people on this thread will say or what names they’ll call me. I found Spanberger and Mirayes best suited for their respective roles. If they both win, they’ll have to work together, and I think they will to a certain extent. Both aspire to higher office. Screwing over VA won’t look good on either of their resumes.

There have been lawsuits, this year, about blocked grants, fired feds, decertifying federal unions, etc. by many states. Virginia has joined none of them. Miyares is not suited to his role of representing Virginians and, no matter my disapproval of his personal life, Jones is better suited. He has my vote. Miyares would have if he had done a better job, but he didn't.

+1. Miyares has not defended Virginia againat Trump attacks. We have not joined lawsuits to protect against unlawful use of the National Guard, the failure to use contingency funds foe SNAP benefits and more. Miyares won’t protect our elections from interference by Trump who has an EO set up for that that is currently being challenged by others but not VA. Jones seems like a horrible person but he will be on our side against the trump assault.

Miyares already has screwed over VA.


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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No point in voting for Spanberger if you plan to write in someone for AG. That office is powerful and can bring Spanberger down.

So if you want her to succeed, you have to vote for Jay Jones.

lol you know Maryland had Larry Hogan as governor and Dem AG Brian Frosh and all was fine, right?

Hogan isn’t MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Virginia Is For Common Sense Voters

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No point in voting for Spanberger if you plan to write in someone for AG. That office is powerful and can bring Spanberger down.

So if you want her to succeed, you have to vote for Jay Jones.

lol you know Maryland had Larry Hogan as governor and Dem AG Brian Frosh and all was fine, right?

That was in a way different time! I can’t get over how many people don’t realize where we are as a nation. We are full on into an authoritarian takeover and you’re acting like it’s 2014

[Anonymous]

Don’t want to start a new thread … how is the AG race going?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No point in voting for Spanberger if you plan to write in someone for AG. That office is powerful and can bring Spanberger down.

So if you want her to succeed, you have to vote for Jay Jones.

lol you know Maryland had Larry Hogan as governor and Dem AG Brian Frosh and all was fine, right?

That was in a way different time! I can’t get over how many people don’t realize where we are as a nation. We are full on into an authoritarian takeover and you’re acting like it’s 2014

Larry Hogan, aside from seemingly being a decent man, is a moderate politician who worked across the aisle. Miss politicians like that.

[Anonymous]

I almost wrote in myself lol. In the end, I ended up voting for the Republican because Jay Jones was a big NO for me. I’m a dem, and I blame VA dem leadership—ridiculous that they didn’t force him off the ballot.