Does anyone else believe the impending financial crash will be bigger than 2008-2009?

[Anonymous]

All this bluster and no one can tell me an exact date the market will hit bottom. Until someone can do that I’ll dollar cost average because I have no faith in my ability to know when to sell and then when to re-enter the market. If it goes down 40%, I’ll buy on sale and watch it reach new highs over the coming years (or months as it has done this year).

The only ones being political are the ones telling us the sky is falling and we need to ignore decades and decades of hard data that politics don’t matter when it comes to market performance. “Unprecedented” events happen continually. There are short term impacts to these events but over the long term the market comes back and reaches new heights.

I can’t stand Trump. But I’m not deluded by short term thinking. If I was I would have sold in April and be absolutely livid with myself now.

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Anonymous wrote:All this bluster and no one can tell me an exact date the market will hit bottom. Until someone can do that I’ll dollar cost average because I have no faith in my ability to know when to sell and then when to re-enter the market. If it goes down 40%, I’ll buy on sale and watch it reach new highs over the coming years (or months as it has done this year).

The only ones being political are the ones telling us the sky is falling and we need to ignore decades and decades of hard data that politics don’t matter when it comes to market performance. “Unprecedented” events happen continually. There are short term impacts to these events but over the long term the market comes back and reaches new heights.

I can’t stand Trump. But I’m not deluded by short term thinking. If I was I would have sold in April and be absolutely livid with myself now.

One of the PPs who thinks a major slow down is coming- and I agree with you, its hard to say when (how could anyone?), and I am not shifting my overall strategy, because my target retirement account is already pretty internationally diversified and is about 25% bonds.

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Anonymous wrote:All these people saying the market crash is coming sold out of their equities in April and are trying to justify their idiotic decisions. You can’t time the market. You aren’t smart enough. Neither am I.

I actually stopped investing when Trump won and stacked up cash, and used that to buy in in April (managed to hit the day before the very bottom, which is timed enough for me). I haven't bought outside of retirement accounts since, and am piling up cash again (including dividends) so that I can buy in again when this bubble bursts.

But you keep DCA'ing into this meltup. Whatever makes you feel safe is probably the right investment strategy.

What an amazing coincidence, eh? Timing it so perfectly and having the confidence to jump back into the sharply dropping market after big scary man made his big scary announcement. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.

It was good timing and prudent. At least he is free minded enough to step outside the cult and see the economic harm being done. Can’t say the same for you. But yeah don’t hedge at all. Everything is great. Jobs are great. Farmers are happy and definitely not all about to get bailouts. Everything is fking great. Gold going up 590% this year is not a sign of instability at all.

People can say anything they want online to fit their narrative, so what you accuse others of doing easily applies to you.

I am dubious at many of the claims, in part most people have little appetite or lack the nerves to actually gamble with their money. Best is to stick with the market and ride it out.

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Anonymous wrote:All these people saying the market crash is coming sold out of their equities in April and are trying to justify their idiotic decisions. You can’t time the market. You aren’t smart enough. Neither am I.

I actually stopped investing when Trump won and stacked up cash, and used that to buy in in April (managed to hit the day before the very bottom, which is timed enough for me). I haven't bought outside of retirement accounts since, and am piling up cash again (including dividends) so that I can buy in again when this bubble bursts.

But you keep DCA'ing into this meltup. Whatever makes you feel safe is probably the right investment strategy.

What an amazing coincidence, eh? Timing it so perfectly and having the confidence to jump back into the sharply dropping market after big scary man made his big scary announcement. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.

It was good timing and prudent. At least he is free minded enough to step outside the cult and see the economic harm being done. Can’t say the same for you. But yeah don’t hedge at all. Everything is great. Jobs are great. Farmers are happy and definitely not all about to get bailouts. Everything is fking great. Gold going up 590% this year is not a sign of instability at all.

People can say anything they want online to fit their narrative, so what you accuse others of doing easily applies to you.

I am dubious at many of the claims, in part most people have little appetite or lack the nerves to actually gamble with their money. Best is to stick with the market and ride it out.

Okay, guess we’ll see who comes out ahead. I’m pretty sure I can see what’s coming and it’s not great. I’m going to move my 401k from 80% intenational stocks and 20% domestic into gold and bonds in a few months to be defensive. When the crash comes I will buy more mutual funds like VFIAX.

My taxable account is mostly gold miners and spot gold ETFs at this point. I’m holding for at least another 6 months. I have tech stocks ETFs in there too. Many are leveraged. I’m holding those for a couple more months. But with the gold I should be well positioned to sell that for stocks when they drop drastically in value.

I predict that will happen within two years. I don’t have a date for you. No one does. But clearly inflation is bad and so are THE REAL job numbers. Gold has been skyrocketing. Wall Street is now relying on alternate data sets (read the Wall Street journal article on that) to supplement traditional sources of info.

After all the coming rate cuts and the QE the outlook is pretty shtty.

Hope you won’t need your retirement money in the next 5 years because it will be half or less of what you invested.

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Anonymous wrote:All these people saying the market crash is coming sold out of their equities in April and are trying to justify their idiotic decisions. You can’t time the market. You aren’t smart enough. Neither am I.

I actually stopped investing when Trump won and stacked up cash, and used that to buy in in April (managed to hit the day before the very bottom, which is timed enough for me). I haven't bought outside of retirement accounts since, and am piling up cash again (including dividends) so that I can buy in again when this bubble bursts.

But you keep DCA'ing into this meltup. Whatever makes you feel safe is probably the right investment strategy.

What an amazing coincidence, eh? Timing it so perfectly and having the confidence to jump back into the sharply dropping market after big scary man made his big scary announcement. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.

It was good timing and prudent. At least he is free minded enough to step outside the cult and see the economic harm being done. Can’t say the same for you. But yeah don’t hedge at all. Everything is great. Jobs are great. Farmers are happy and definitely not all about to get bailouts. Everything is fking great. Gold going up 590% this year is not a sign of instability at all.

People can say anything they want online to fit their narrative, so what you accuse others of doing easily applies to you.

I am dubious at many of the claims, in part most people have little appetite or lack the nerves to actually gamble with their money. Best is to stick with the market and ride it out.

Okay, guess we’ll see who comes out ahead. I’m pretty sure I can see what’s coming and it’s not great. I’m going to move my 401k from 80% intenational stocks and 20% domestic into gold and bonds in a few months to be defensive. When the crash comes I will buy more mutual funds like VFIAX.

My taxable account is mostly gold miners and spot gold ETFs at this point. I’m holding for at least another 6 months. I have tech stocks ETFs in there too. Many are leveraged. I’m holding those for a couple more months. But with the gold I should be well positioned to sell that for stocks when they drop drastically in value.

I predict that will happen within two years. I don’t have a date for you. No one does. But clearly inflation is bad and so are THE REAL job numbers. Gold has been skyrocketing. Wall Street is now relying on alternate data sets (read the Wall Street journal article on that) to supplement traditional sources of info.

After all the coming rate cuts and the QE the outlook is pretty shtty.

Hope you won’t need your retirement money in the next 5 years because it will be half or less of what you invested.

I think it's probably 3 years since Trump is willing to go full blown socialism when he wants. I doubt he only relies on rate cuts and QE.

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Anonymous wrote:All these people saying the market crash is coming sold out of their equities in April and are trying to justify their idiotic decisions. You can’t time the market. You aren’t smart enough. Neither am I.

I actually stopped investing when Trump won and stacked up cash, and used that to buy in in April (managed to hit the day before the very bottom, which is timed enough for me). I haven't bought outside of retirement accounts since, and am piling up cash again (including dividends) so that I can buy in again when this bubble bursts.

But you keep DCA'ing into this meltup. Whatever makes you feel safe is probably the right investment strategy.

What an amazing coincidence, eh? Timing it so perfectly and having the confidence to jump back into the sharply dropping market after big scary man made his big scary announcement. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.

It was good timing and prudent. At least he is free minded enough to step outside the cult and see the economic harm being done. Can’t say the same for you. But yeah don’t hedge at all. Everything is great. Jobs are great. Farmers are happy and definitely not all about to get bailouts. Everything is fking great. Gold going up 590% this year is not a sign of instability at all.

People can say anything they want online to fit their narrative, so what you accuse others of doing easily applies to you.

I am dubious at many of the claims, in part most people have little appetite or lack the nerves to actually gamble with their money. Best is to stick with the market and ride it out.

Okay, guess we’ll see who comes out ahead. I’m pretty sure I can see what’s coming and it’s not great. I’m going to move my 401k from 80% intenational stocks and 20% domestic into gold and bonds in a few months to be defensive. When the crash comes I will buy more mutual funds like VFIAX.

My taxable account is mostly gold miners and spot gold ETFs at this point. I’m holding for at least another 6 months. I have tech stocks ETFs in there too. Many are leveraged. I’m holding those for a couple more months. But with the gold I should be well positioned to sell that for stocks when they drop drastically in value.

I predict that will happen within two years. I don’t have a date for you. No one does. But clearly inflation is bad and so are THE REAL job numbers. Gold has been skyrocketing. Wall Street is now relying on alternate data sets (read the Wall Street journal article on that) to supplement traditional sources of info.

After all the coming rate cuts and the QE the outlook is pretty shtty.

Hope you won’t need your retirement money in the next 5 years because it will be half or less of what you invested.

I think it's probably 3 years since Trump is willing to go full blown socialism when he wants. I doubt he only relies on rate cuts and QE.

A lot will depend on the result of the midterms. They're already going full on with a command economy.

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Anonymous wrote:All these people saying the market crash is coming sold out of their equities in April and are trying to justify their idiotic decisions. You can’t time the market. You aren’t smart enough. Neither am I.

I actually stopped investing when Trump won and stacked up cash, and used that to buy in in April (managed to hit the day before the very bottom, which is timed enough for me). I haven't bought outside of retirement accounts since, and am piling up cash again (including dividends) so that I can buy in again when this bubble bursts.

But you keep DCA'ing into this meltup. Whatever makes you feel safe is probably the right investment strategy.

What an amazing coincidence, eh? Timing it so perfectly and having the confidence to jump back into the sharply dropping market after big scary man made his big scary announcement. Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.

It was good timing and prudent. At least he is free minded enough to step outside the cult and see the economic harm being done. Can’t say the same for you. But yeah don’t hedge at all. Everything is great. Jobs are great. Farmers are happy and definitely not all about to get bailouts. Everything is fking great. Gold going up 590% this year is not a sign of instability at all.

People can say anything they want online to fit their narrative, so what you accuse others of doing easily applies to you.

I am dubious at many of the claims, in part most people have little appetite or lack the nerves to actually gamble with their money. Best is to stick with the market and ride it out.

Okay, guess we’ll see who comes out ahead. I’m pretty sure I can see what’s coming and it’s not great. I’m going to move my 401k from 80% intenational stocks and 20% domestic into gold and bonds in a few months to be defensive. When the crash comes I will buy more mutual funds like VFIAX.

My taxable account is mostly gold miners and spot gold ETFs at this point. I’m holding for at least another 6 months. I have tech stocks ETFs in there too. Many are leveraged. I’m holding those for a couple more months. But with the gold I should be well positioned to sell that for stocks when they drop drastically in value.

I predict that will happen within two years. I don’t have a date for you. No one does. But clearly inflation is bad and so are THE REAL job numbers. Gold has been skyrocketing. Wall Street is now relying on alternate data sets (read the Wall Street journal article on that) to supplement traditional sources of info.

After all the coming rate cuts and the QE the outlook is pretty shtty.

Hope you won’t need your retirement money in the next 5 years because it will be half or less of what you invested.

I think it's probably 3 years since Trump is willing to go full blown socialism when he wants. I doubt he only relies on rate cuts and QE.

A lot will depend on the result of the midterms. They're already going full on with a command economy.

See this is the political nonsense. This is not a command economy and does not even come close.

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All these people saying the market crash is coming sold out of their equities in April and are trying to justify their idiotic decisions. You can’t time the market. You aren’t smart enough. Neither am I.

The market is currently irrational, acting as if everything is fine, while every indicator of a bubble is flashing red warning signs. I think people are trading on hype right now, there’s still
Money to be made short term but the new and revised (adp) job numbers (cause we no longer can get reliable BLS data) show significant slow down and the tariffs are having a growing an effect. Most likely recession and possibly a steep downward turn in market. Meanwhile we are bailing out argentina to bail out Rob Citrine and pay to play politics are the name of the game. Fascist corruption can continue to generate wealth for a while for some (authoritarian capitalism is a thing) but always at the greater expense and foundational stability is compromised.

I would flip around what you said --- almost every indicator is not flashing red. Almost everything looks good. Slowing but looking good. Politics is shading people's views. And politics for the most part does not matter. Yes slowing but not really retreating either. Not stagnant. Tariffs have not had an impact yet almost at all. In my view they will not going forward. They are stupid, will not work, but are mostly harmless. We are bailing out Argentina to stable a region that may go bad -- not politics -- good policy. The rest of your comments show how you are impacted by the politics. Things are not booming now but they are fine and healthy.

What news sources are you reading to give you that perspective? Do you think employment numbers are good? How about inflation? How about the value of the dollar? Because most “mainsteam media”, which I am concerned you would denigrate, are underscoring that red lights are flashing. China isn’t buying soy beans. Auto loans are in bad shape. This isn’t about “politics clouding heads”, this is about reality. The stock market is on essentially a tech meth high at the moment. Once this data center/ai/hpc thing bursts in value and tariffs are felt more, we are looking at hard times.

I am trading companies like BITF, coreweave, lam research, intel as well. I am wrapped up in that bubble. But I am also not doing that for the long term in my taxable account. I am swing trading and stashing most profits in gold bullion ETFs waiting for the inevitable crash. I think you are secretly focused on politics and operate in a world where the coverage you’re reading is in fact biased in a bullish way. I think you’re insulated from actual conditions.

Employment numbers are steady after years of explosive growth. Inflation is slightly and only slightly high but low compared to the last several years. Dollar is doing what it does. Not an issue to focus on at the moment. Weak dollar can have benefits. Who cares about soy beans except a few farmers. That is not a major part of our economy. Auto loans are not in bad shape -- There is some pull back but again long before a flashing red light. I only read and watch mainstream media. But if you actually read what is there it is flash over substance. Substance is still solid. I am a democrat and oppose the president but the facts are the facts.

This is such cope. That or you just don’t read enough. Employment numbers were revised down to -3,000 from 54,000 last month. And they’ll keep getting revised down each quarter.

You should also be aware of this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-27/trump-s-bls-firing-economy-spurs-investment-by-private-data-firms?embedded-checkout=true

I’m trying to help you buddy. You have this rosy outlook not supported by any real facts.

Yes and that is solid. Real facts are good. People who follow politics will get killed here. And no tarrifs have not impacted the economy in any meaningful way. No one cares about soybean farmers.

[Anonymous]

I think we’ll know more when the SC rules on the tariffs. So much rests on this decision.

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All these people saying the market crash is coming sold out of their equities in April and are trying to justify their idiotic decisions. You can’t time the market. You aren’t smart enough. Neither am I.

The market is currently irrational, acting as if everything is fine, while every indicator of a bubble is flashing red warning signs. I think people are trading on hype right now, there’s still
Money to be made short term but the new and revised (adp) job numbers (cause we no longer can get reliable BLS data) show significant slow down and the tariffs are having a growing an effect. Most likely recession and possibly a steep downward turn in market. Meanwhile we are bailing out argentina to bail out Rob Citrine and pay to play politics are the name of the game. Fascist corruption can continue to generate wealth for a while for some (authoritarian capitalism is a thing) but always at the greater expense and foundational stability is compromised.

I would flip around what you said --- almost every indicator is not flashing red. Almost everything looks good. Slowing but looking good. Politics is shading people's views. And politics for the most part does not matter. Yes slowing but not really retreating either. Not stagnant. Tariffs have not had an impact yet almost at all. In my view they will not going forward. They are stupid, will not work, but are mostly harmless. We are bailing out Argentina to stable a region that may go bad -- not politics -- good policy. The rest of your comments show how you are impacted by the politics. Things are not booming now but they are fine and healthy.

What news sources are you reading to give you that perspective? Do you think employment numbers are good? How about inflation? How about the value of the dollar? Because most “mainsteam media”, which I am concerned you would denigrate, are underscoring that red lights are flashing. China isn’t buying soy beans. Auto loans are in bad shape. This isn’t about “politics clouding heads”, this is about reality. The stock market is on essentially a tech meth high at the moment. Once this data center/ai/hpc thing bursts in value and tariffs are felt more, we are looking at hard times.

I am trading companies like BITF, coreweave, lam research, intel as well. I am wrapped up in that bubble. But I am also not doing that for the long term in my taxable account. I am swing trading and stashing most profits in gold bullion ETFs waiting for the inevitable crash. I think you are secretly focused on politics and operate in a world where the coverage you’re reading is in fact biased in a bullish way. I think you’re insulated from actual conditions.

Employment numbers are steady after years of explosive growth. Inflation is slightly and only slightly high but low compared to the last several years. Dollar is doing what it does. Not an issue to focus on at the moment. Weak dollar can have benefits. Who cares about soy beans except a few farmers. That is not a major part of our economy. Auto loans are not in bad shape -- There is some pull back but again long before a flashing red light. I only read and watch mainstream media. But if you actually read what is there it is flash over substance. Substance is still solid. I am a democrat and oppose the president but the facts are the facts.

This is such cope. That or you just don’t read enough. Employment numbers were revised down to -3,000 from 54,000 last month. And they’ll keep getting revised down each quarter.

You should also be aware of this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-27/trump-s-bls-firing-economy-spurs-investment-by-private-data-firms?embedded-checkout=true

I’m trying to help you buddy. You have this rosy outlook not supported by any real facts.

Yes and that is solid. Real facts are good. People who follow politics will get killed here. And no tarrifs have not impacted the economy in any meaningful way. No one cares about soybean farmers.

You don’t think the market cares about a $12.5 billion loss? Mmkay.

[Anonymous]

This market reminds me a lot of the post Covid market. There was a crash in March 2020 then everything went straight up, defying gravity for longer than you could have ever imagined even though the economy was in the crapper. I got burned then (moved money out in August 2020 and missed significant further gains) so I'm hesitant to repeat the same mistake.

[Anonymous]

What’s happening is that the tarriffs are good for the US but no one will admit this in polite company. It’s why the market is up but no one will admit it.

[Anonymous]

+1 about the tariffs being a huge boost to the US economy

[Anonymous]

Chicken Littles having a party here!!

[Anonymous]

Hmm. We are in complex time compared to recent years. The U.S. dollar has dropped 10% and is likely to drop another 10%. So, that means it is cheaper to invest in U.S. companies from money overseas. That will prop up the market somewhat. But there is also likely to be a normal 10% correction next year at some point. SandP is overvalued due to the magnificent seven. So due to this and the currency issues it probably makes sense to invest in value, mid cap and overseas stocks. But the Fed is expected to drop interest rates a few more times as well. That’s probably already priced into the market and one of the reasons things are already so high.