Why do atheists and anti-theists care about the beliefs of religious people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

Agree. and I think of some of the nice religious people who come to this forum, many identifying as Christian, who are actively religious and who credit their faith with making them better people. Frankly, I think they were already good people and maybe something in their religious training also made a difference.

But still there are so many nasty religious people out there, who think they're superior because they think God is guiding them. Makes me sick.

Steven Weinberg was right when he said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?

Same reason, just the opposite perspective.

I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.

Wonder why that is?

When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.

If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.

Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.

Who gives babies cancer, then?

In Christianity, disease is believed to be a result of sin and the fall of humanity.

So sinful babies get cancer. Got it.

Can you post the scripture you found in the Bible that supports your statement that “sinful babies get cancer?”

You just didn’t make that up? Right? You have a solid theological view from Christianity that supports your statement. Please share.

I am extrapolating from the response I got to my question “who gives babies cancer?” I think it’s bullshit that sin and cancer have anything to do with each other, but according to the PP, Christianity thinks otherwise. If you’ve got a problem with that, take it up with her, not me.

So you are making it up.

Hon. Everything about religion is made up. That’s why it’s called “faith” or “belief.” You don’t have to have faith or belief in things that can be scientifically proven.

Jesus was a real man who walked the earth. He’s not made up.

His apostles were real men.

Archeologists found evidence of King David.

Ancient artifact confirming King David's existence to be exhibited in the US

The world-famous Tel Dan Stele artifact will be on display in the U.S. for two months starting in a little more than two weeks.


The Tel Dan Stele dates back to 9th century B.C. and was discovered in the mid-1990's in Israel. It is archaeological proof of the existence of King David outside of the passages of The Bible. An inscription on the artifact is translated to "king of the House of David."
"The discovery of the stele caused an earthquake in the archaeological community," Brad Macdonald, curator of the Kingdom of David and Solomon Discovered Exibit, said in a statement. "It vanquished the common belief that King David was a fictional character and bolstered the credibility of the Bible as a valuable historical source. This is just one reason that it is one of the most important archaeological discoveries ever found."
The Tel Dan Stele is on loan from the Israel Museum.

https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/tel-dan-stele-us-display-19742149.php

So not everything about religion is “made up.”

He most likely was a real man. We don't know 100%.

Fables often have an element of truth to them.

Yes, the theologian has a lot invested in the existence of jesus so of course he's going to believe it.


Jesus most likely was a real man. We don't know 100%.

Fables often have an element of truth to them.

Bart Denton Ehrman[a] (born October 5, 1955) is an American New Testament scholar focusing on textual criticism of the New Testament, the historical Jesus, and the origins and development of early Christianity. He has written and edited 30 books, including three college textbooks. He has also authored six New York Times bestsellers. He is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

He subsequently turned into a liberal Christian, remaining in the Episcopal Church for 15 years, but later became an agnostic atheist after struggling with the philosophical problems of evil and suffering.[2][3][8]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman

Yes, the theologian has a lot invested in the existence of jesus so of course he's going to believe it.

Jesus most likely was a real man. We don't know 100%.

Fables often have an element of truth to them.

Where are your citations and links?

Citation poster strikes again!

Yes, providing citations is important.

It’s important to be able to back up your claims with evidence.

Ie: Jesus existed. It’s not my opinion. It’s based on real evidence.

Pp is just posting her personal opinion that is not backed up with any evidence.

My opinion is that he mostly likely existed.

We can’t say 100% due to lack of independent evidence.

It also doesn't mean he was the son of a god, or that he came back from the dead after "dying for us" or that he is coming back one day, or anything of the sort. Listen to Bart Ehrman's lectures a little more and you will see where he stands on Jesus's divinity.

Religious people are so obsessed with Bart. I don’t get the appeal. I guess if they are questioning their faith he’s a good theologian to look to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

100%

[Anonymous]

Theist here too.

1) Objectively religion has been the reason for so much death and destruction and as an outsider looking in, I think it causes more harm than good.

2) I really don't care what other people think for themselves.

3) But I don't care for their judgement of my PoV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

Agree. and I think of some of the nice religious people who come to this forum, many identifying as Christian, who are actively religious and who credit their faith with making them better people. Frankly, I think they were already good people and maybe something in their religious training also made a difference.

But still there are so many nasty religious people out there, who think they're superior because they think God is guiding them. Makes me sick.

Steven Weinberg was right when he said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

I guess my quote would be "Truly good people do good on their own accord without a religious mandate".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

Agree. and I think of some of the nice religious people who come to this forum, many identifying as Christian, who are actively religious and who credit their faith with making them better people. Frankly, I think they were already good people and maybe something in their religious training also made a difference.

But still there are so many nasty religious people out there, who think they're superior because they think God is guiding them. Makes me sick.

Steven Weinberg was right when he said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

I guess my quote would be "Truly good people do good on their own accord without a religious mandate".

Who gets to decide what is good?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

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Yep. Op spends too much time wondering what goes on in the heads of athiests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

Agree. and I think of some of the nice religious people who come to this forum, many identifying as Christian, who are actively religious and who credit their faith with making them better people. Frankly, I think they were already good people and maybe something in their religious training also made a difference.

But still there are so many nasty religious people out there, who think they're superior because they think God is guiding them. Makes me sick.

Steven Weinberg was right when he said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

I guess my quote would be "Truly good people do good on their own accord without a religious mandate".

Who gets to decide what is good?

If you need someone to tell you what is “good” then you are doing it wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

Agree. and I think of some of the nice religious people who come to this forum, many identifying as Christian, who are actively religious and who credit their faith with making them better people. Frankly, I think they were already good people and maybe something in their religious training also made a difference.

But still there are so many nasty religious people out there, who think they're superior because they think God is guiding them. Makes me sick.

Steven Weinberg was right when he said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

I guess my quote would be "Truly good people do good on their own accord without a religious mandate".

Excellent quote!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

Agree. and I think of some of the nice religious people who come to this forum, many identifying as Christian, who are actively religious and who credit their faith with making them better people. Frankly, I think they were already good people and maybe something in their religious training also made a difference.

But still there are so many nasty religious people out there, who think they're superior because they think God is guiding them. Makes me sick.

Steven Weinberg was right when he said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

I guess my quote would be "Truly good people do good on their own accord without a religious mandate".

Who gets to decide what is good?

No one. It's obvious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

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Yep. Op spends too much time wondering what goes on in the heads of athiests.

OP also just kind of makes up what they think atheists are like and then ignores any contradicting comments.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care what atheists think?

Same reason, just the opposite perspective.

I will note that not one atheist I know complains when a theist attempts to defend their position. They relish the chance to discuss it, in fact.

Wonder why that is?

When atheists represent God incorrectly (God gives babies cancer) is when I care.

If I posted that atheists sacrifice babies to Satan you would care, because it’s an obvious and disgusting lie.

Constantly posting that God gives babies cancer and allows them to suffer and dir because He is a cruel bastard is definitely on that level. It’s not true.

Who gives babies cancer, then?

In Christianity, disease is believed to be a result of sin and the fall of humanity.

So sinful babies get cancer. Got it.

Can you post the scripture you found in the Bible that supports your statement that “sinful babies get cancer?”

You just didn’t make that up? Right? You have a solid theological view from Christianity that supports your statement. Please share.

I am extrapolating from the response I got to my question “who gives babies cancer?” I think it’s bullshit that sin and cancer have anything to do with each other, but according to the PP, Christianity thinks otherwise. If you’ve got a problem with that, take it up with her, not me.

So you are making it up.

Hon. Everything about religion is made up. That’s why it’s called “faith” or “belief.” You don’t have to have faith or belief in things that can be scientifically proven.

Jesus was a real man who walked the earth. He’s not made up.

His apostles were real men.

Archeologists found evidence of King David.

Ancient artifact confirming King David's existence to be exhibited in the US

The world-famous Tel Dan Stele artifact will be on display in the U.S. for two months starting in a little more than two weeks.


The Tel Dan Stele dates back to 9th century B.C. and was discovered in the mid-1990's in Israel. It is archaeological proof of the existence of King David outside of the passages of The Bible. An inscription on the artifact is translated to "king of the House of David."
"The discovery of the stele caused an earthquake in the archaeological community," Brad Macdonald, curator of the Kingdom of David and Solomon Discovered Exibit, said in a statement. "It vanquished the common belief that King David was a fictional character and bolstered the credibility of the Bible as a valuable historical source. This is just one reason that it is one of the most important archaeological discoveries ever found."
The Tel Dan Stele is on loan from the Israel Museum.

https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/tel-dan-stele-us-display-19742149.php

So not everything about religion is “made up.”

He most likely was a real man. We don't know 100%.

Fables often have an element of truth to them.

Yes, the theologian has a lot invested in the existence of jesus so of course he's going to believe it.


Jesus most likely was a real man. We don't know 100%.

Fables often have an element of truth to them.

Bart Denton Ehrman[a] (born October 5, 1955) is an American New Testament scholar focusing on textual criticism of the New Testament, the historical Jesus, and the origins and development of early Christianity. He has written and edited 30 books, including three college textbooks. He has also authored six New York Times bestsellers. He is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

He subsequently turned into a liberal Christian, remaining in the Episcopal Church for 15 years, but later became an agnostic atheist after struggling with the philosophical problems of evil and suffering.[2][3][8]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_D._Ehrman

Yes, the theologian has a lot invested in the existence of jesus so of course he's going to believe it.

Jesus most likely was a real man. We don't know 100%.

Fables often have an element of truth to them.

Where are your citations and links?

Citation poster strikes again!

Yes, providing citations is important.

It’s important to be able to back up your claims with evidence.

Ie: Jesus existed. It’s not my opinion. It’s based on real evidence.

Pp is just posting her personal opinion that is not backed up with any evidence.

My opinion is that he mostly likely existed.

We can’t say 100% due to lack of independent evidence.

It also doesn't mean he was the son of a god, or that he came back from the dead after "dying for us" or that he is coming back one day, or anything of the sort. Listen to Bart Ehrman's lectures a little more and you will see where he stands on Jesus's divinity.

Religious people are so obsessed with Bart. I don’t get the appeal. I guess if they are questioning their faith he’s a good theologian to look to?

The appeal is that Bart Ehrman is a serious theologian who says Jesus is real person. He doesn't say Jesus is the son of god, but people take it that way

[Anonymous]

The next time you feel the need to post YET ANOTHER THREAD (yes, it’s you) containing the words “Why Do Atheists,” immediately get off the internet and call your therapist. If you don’t have one, get one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

Agree. and I think of some of the nice religious people who come to this forum, many identifying as Christian, who are actively religious and who credit their faith with making them better people. Frankly, I think they were already good people and maybe something in their religious training also made a difference.

But still there are so many nasty religious people out there, who think they're superior because they think God is guiding them. Makes me sick.

Steven Weinberg was right when he said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

I guess my quote would be "Truly good people do good on their own accord without a religious mandate".

Who gets to decide what is good?

No one. It's obvious.

Not really. There's a lot of gray area (look at the whole give a fish/teach how to fish debate).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you (yes, it’s you) start endless threads whining about what atheists do or don’t do, or say or don’t say, or think or don’t think? It’s bizarre and bordering on pathological. If you were truly secure in your own faith, you wouldn’t waste the time or mental energy to give it a single thought.

Agree. and I think of some of the nice religious people who come to this forum, many identifying as Christian, who are actively religious and who credit their faith with making them better people. Frankly, I think they were already good people and maybe something in their religious training also made a difference.

But still there are so many nasty religious people out there, who think they're superior because they think God is guiding them. Makes me sick.

Steven Weinberg was right when he said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."

I guess my quote would be "Truly good people do good on their own accord without a religious mandate".

Who gets to decide what is good?

No one. It's obvious.

Not really. There's a lot of gray area (look at the whole give a fish/teach how to fish debate).

Good people can figure out what's good and what's not good, without a biblical mandate. And it's not a "fish/teach how to fish debate", it's do both, obviously. Sustain them and teach them how to sustain themselves.