Basis DC
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Anonymous
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At least based on test scores--which is a lot more objective measure than BASIS hate rages on this forum--BASIS DC crushes Latin and DCI.
In fact, kids at Latin barely move up in English and actually go down in math. And at DCI, kids don't progress in either English or math. At least at BASIS DC kids get better in both English and math. Let's encourage BASIS to open more schools in DC. Even though they have only been around a dozen years in DC, based on the data, they have a demonstrated track record of success. You can't say that for other charters. Middle school PARCC scores 4+ Latin ELA 68.24 Math 52.49 DCI ELA 54.01 Math 38.68 BASIS DC ELA 72.00 Math 62.40 High school PARCC scores 4+ Latin ELA 70.71 Math 30.47 DCI ELA 41.87 Math 20.74 BASIS DC ELA 92.06 Math 66.12 |
Anonymous
Wow--that is eye opening! |
Anonymous
No other school attracts crackpots who just make things up like PP. BASIS HS re-enrollment rate is higher than Latin HS's (95.1% vs 93.2%). Latin MS's re-enrollment rate is higher than BASIS's (94.5% vs 90%). Neither school has anything that could remotely be considered an "insane washout rate". |
Anonymous
They also washout kids who might lower their scores. If Latin and DCI also booted everyone who lowered their averages, their scores would be comparable. This doesn't mean BASIS is good or bad, the test scores are clear, for the students who stay there, they score high. But comparing those three sets of numbers side-by-side... that's a sleight-of-hand. |
Anonymous
How many kids are enrolled at BASIS in 5th grade, how many are enrolled at 9th grade and how many graduate? Thanks in advance... |
Anonymous
BASIS doesn't boot anyone. If you fail the grade, you have opportunities to test again over the summer, or retake the grade next year. That's not booting people. |
Anonymous
Agree with all of this, except the suggestion that they open more campuses. That strategy almost always results in a school going downhill (looking at you Mundo and Two Rivers). |
Anonymous
I didn't say they booted anyone. They wash them out... Call it what you want, there's massive attrition, and it leaves a relatively homogenous population of kids in terms of test scores. The other schools don't lose that many kids and have lower-performing cohorts — perhaps some that left BASIS, under one circumstance or another—that lower the averages. Look, if each school has 100 kids, and the top 20 perform very well, the bottom 20 perform very poorly and the middle 60 perform average (and given the lottery application system it is likely that all of these schools will have something like that breakdown in their freshman classes) and two schools maintain all 100 kids through the four years, their test scores are always going to be lower than the school that loses the bottom 20 and most of the middle 60. As I understand the BASIS parent argument, eff that poor performing cohort and even the average kids, my kid who is the top 20 (hopefully) gets a great education! And that might be true! I mean, the test scores suggest the kids who remain at BASIS at the very least have some rather high ability! But those test scores are not apples-to-apples. Find some other metric—and there probably are some—that show BASIS is better. |
Anonymous
The math scores are misleading, particularly for high school. Here's why. BASIS tests kids in grade-level math while Latin and DCI test kids in the math class they took that year. At BASIS, all students are taking math PARCC through 10th grade. At Latin and DCI, only students who didn't take Algebra and Geometry in middle school are testing in 9th grade, and only students who didn't take Algebra in middle school are testing in 10th grade. |
Anonymous
So, the other schools are only testing the donuts? |
Anonymous
PP here realizing I'm wrong about DCI. They actually do it the same way as BASIS. Both schools pretty unique for that. |
Anonymous
You moved the goal posts. A "washout rate" is how many kids leave. I just gave you those numbers. Latin loses more in HS than BASIS does. This means a higher percentage of 9th graders at BASIS graduate than do entering 9th graders from Latin. You seem not to understand that concept so I will retype it in bold for you: A higher percentage of 9th graders at BASIS graduate than do entering 9th graders from Latin. Inconvenient as that data may be, it is what we call "reality". BASIS loses more kids in MS years than does Latin. Latin retains more entering 5th graders than does BASIS. I quoted the data above. The re-enrollment rate for MS at BASIS is 90%. Could it be higher? Sure. Latin MS's is 94.5%. The way you and your ilk throw misinformation around DCUM you'd think BASIS retained 50% of kids. You are asking about class sizes. BASIS doesn't add kids after 5th, Latin does, so asking about overall enrollment does not tell us anything about retention (which is what a "washout rate" addresses.) Do you understand how and why re-enrollment rates are the only apples to apples comparison between two schools, one of which adds kids after 5th and one that doesn't? Thanks in advance... |
Anonymous
You understand that you asked why BASIS is so controversial and I said it's the washout rate and then you started talking about reenrollment. The vast majority of kids who start at BASIS don't make it to the end, and that's a method of education—especially public education which is built on the idea that everyone deserves access to quality education—that is controversial. Sorry if you don't like that everyone doesn't agree with you, but a lot of people don't like BASIS' method of operation. Latin has its own problems, but they are not as shocking to most people as BASIS' problems. |
Anonymous
A "washout rate" by plain meaning is kids who leave. Re-enrollment is an objective measure of kids who remain vs depart. You have it stuck in your head that kids are being forced from BASIS at an alarming rate. I showed you data in fact more % of kids leave Latin in HS than BASIS. This is not an opinion question, it is a FACT. I wasn't the person who asked why people are fixated on BASIS, but ironically you have provided an example of what so frequently occurs on DCUM. People like have a story in their heads and no amount of facts or data can get you to come off of your what you so deeply believe. You are like MAGA folks who just KNOW the election was stolen from them. There is no reasoning with people like you. |
Anonymous
9th to graduation is one metric, but more relevant ones for this discussion would be 8th to 9th, or 5th to graduation. Both schools do a good job of getting kids who start high school to graduate. But do middle schoolers leave before high school? This is relevant because neither school takes many, if any, kids after 6th grade. |