Do you think Kate Middleton is genuine

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Anonymous wrote:She understands the assignment.

Agreed. She accepts that her job is to put with anything William does.

It looks increasingly exploitative and just sad as time passes. She seems to dislike William but clings to the title OR she knows that she would get nothing in a divorce and would face a fate worse than Diana. She’s been a prominent Royal for a decade and still can’t give a speech. Whether that’s due to incompetence or stupidity, it adds a depressing quality to her appearances.

Could not disagree with you more. Her speeches are quiet and relatable. She’s obviously shy. They seem to have a really strong, loving bond and from where I sit there is literally no evidence of William treating her poorly. you can tell she is stable and really benefited from a strong family of origin.

She is a strong woman and protective of her family.

Okay that is fully insane. No one protective of their family would have married a prince let alone allow the children to be public figures. That’s crazy! If someone came to you and said “hey I want your 3 year old to appear at public events and have crazy people deeply invested in him and absolutely have stalkers and paparazzi following him all the time. There’s no pay but he can have a house from his powerful relatives and a pretend job. Real jobs will be prohibited/impossible. His dad’s own family was completely wrecked by the same circumstances.”

Would you be like “Yes! Sign me up and put that toddler in a ceremonial robe!” That’s nuts. She may be a lot of things, many of them good, but “protective of her family” she is not. It’s really crazy to me that anyone would say that.

Yes but your child would be royalty, occupying the very top tier of a hierarchical society and living in unmatched privilege. I would have signed up for that!

It doesn’t seem to have helped any of Elizabeth’s children. My ordinary parents of the same generation are far and away happier and better people than any of Elizabeth’s children. I mean, she raised Prince Edward.

I agree with the PP. She is not protective of her children at all.

By marrying a prince, she signed up for her future children to be public figures. She has no choice in that and no royal family can keep their kids completely out of the public eye until they are eighteen, not that that would even be wise.

Sure, but she’s then obviously not a protective mother.

Disagree. I think Kate is not particularly fascinating or intelligent, but she is a good mother and prioritizes her children above everything else. And she is fortunate to have an excellent support system in her parents and sister. Her kids have a very good chance of being normal, functional adults. Kate & Will will learn their lesson from the Harry debacle too, and make sure the younger two have their own paths in life instead of being hangers-on.

I genuinely don’t think anyone who lets their young children be used or uses them as public figures can be a good mother. Whether it’s Kate Middleton, a TikTok maker, a stage mom or whatever.

I know there are kids who really love acting but even then I think a good mother would restrict them to theater or something and avoid anything with too much exposure like TV or movies at least until they are older.

For the ones born into the monarchy, they would have to break tradition which would be hard, certainly, but not impossible. I don’t think Harry/Meghan’s children make public appearances which is great but maybe that’s just because they left, not saying they’re role models on it. Just that it’s possible.

Whereas Kate Middleton chose this for herself and her children. I’m a very casual consumer of royal news and I’ve seen a TON of pictures and videos of her children at official events, none of which was necessary. She even did the photo shoot right after giving birth.

Kate has been a social striver her entire life. Her kids are a means to an end. That’s it.

You know nothing of her really and yet you judge her so harshly. Why is that? Do you judge William the same way? Probably not! After all, he could have chosen not to have kids to protect them. He knows how hard the life is...

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Anonymous wrote:I used to feel more positively towards KM but as time went on my opinion has fallen.

She works very hard at projecting decorum which is a strength. However her story of dating and falling in love with William feels very fake. When they were in their 20’s he basically disrespected her and treated her like shit. She stayed and married him anyways. There was a brief lag where he seemed to improve then he was back to cheating and treating her like shit. She stays because she cares about her social standing above all else. That’s not aspirational.

She’s also been in this public persona role for over a decade and still can’t figure out how to give a speech. That’s incompetent.

She makes public missteps all the time. I can’t get the image of her laughing at the gospel choir at Meghan and Harry’s wedding out of my head. She’s too old to be so stupid. Did she really think she wouldn’t be photographed at a royal wedding?

It’s also sad that one of the most positive things that can be said about her is that she’ll put up with anything William does to cling to her title. In that sense she adds stability to the monarchy but is otherwise a terrible role model. She’s ineffective at her job and can’t promote her chosen patronage.

I guess the only fully positive thing that can be said about her is that she loves her children.

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I'm sure she's devestated that your opinion of her has fallen.

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She may be genuine but she doesn’t COME OFF as genuine which was I think the poster is really asking. She comes off as fake. And maybe she isn’t but she really hasn’t learned how to “play the game” and after all these years you think she would have.

I’m not sure how exactly we are judging her as a good mother? Her photo ops with her children? These children are raised by nannies.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to feel more positively towards KM but as time went on my opinion has fallen.

She works very hard at projecting decorum which is a strength. However her story of dating and falling in love with William feels very fake. When they were in their 20’s he basically disrespected her and treated her like shit. She stayed and married him anyways. There was a brief lag where he seemed to improve then he was back to cheating and treating her like shit. She stays because she cares about her social standing above all else. That’s not aspirational.

She’s also been in this public persona role for over a decade and still can’t figure out how to give a speech. That’s incompetent.

She makes public missteps all the time. I can’t get the image of her laughing at the gospel choir at Meghan and Harry’s wedding out of my head. She’s too old to be so stupid. Did she really think she wouldn’t be photographed at a royal wedding?

It’s also sad that one of the most positive things that can be said about her is that she’ll put up with anything William does to cling to her title. In that sense she adds stability to the monarchy but is otherwise a terrible role model. She’s ineffective at her job and can’t promote her chosen patronage.

I guess the only fully positive thing that can be said about her is that she loves her children.

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I'm sure she's devestated that your opinion of her has fallen.

The same people slamming her for not being "relatable" also look at her relatable moments like laughing inappropriately at a wedding or funeral, because who hasn't been there, and call her stupid. Make up your mind. Should she be human or an emotionless robot?

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Anonymous wrote:She may be genuine but she doesn’t COME OFF as genuine which was I think the poster is really asking. She comes off as fake. And maybe she isn’t but she really hasn’t learned how to “play the game” and after all these years you think she would have.

I’m not sure how exactly we are judging her as a good mother? Her photo ops with her children? These children are raised by nannies.

This. I very much get the sense that if she could take her money and prestige and quit any type of work the role requires of her, we would never see her again. She definitely would not be involved in any of these charitable efforts she can barely feign interest in. She comes across as completely dispassionate to pretty much anything outside of her own family and she's not great at pretending otherwise.

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No one is marrying a prince for love. This isn't 1423. The media attention is insane. Normal, healthy, loving people do not want that in their day to day lives.

I don't think anyone that marries into that family is in a good place. But I do think Kate Middleton is less of a psychopath than Meghan Markle.

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[quote=Anonymous]She may be genuine but she doesn’t COME OFF as genuine which was I think the poster is really asking. She comes off as fake. And maybe she isn’t but she really hasn’t learned how to “play the game” and after all these years you think she would have.

I’m not sure how exactly we are judging her as a good mother? Her photo ops with her children? These children are raised by nannies. [/quote]

That's only your opinion. I think she does come off as genuine. Funny that you harbor such animosity towards someone you never met.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is marrying a prince for love. This isn't 1423. The media attention is insane. Normal, healthy, loving people do not want that in their day to day lives.

I don't think anyone that marries into that family is in a good place. But I do think Kate Middleton is less of a psychopath than Meghan Markle.

Fortunately, no one wants to talk about MM.

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Anonymous wrote:Her job is raising the heir and wearing modest fashionable outfits. They don’t have to do the charity part. The British public would probably rather they donated a few billion to end hunger than their empty handed “raising awareness” visits to food banks.

Kate does the fashion part well, and they produced the next generation, so she’s set.

They are lucky to have her.

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Anonymous wrote:She understands the assignment.

Agreed. She accepts that her job is to put with anything William does.

It looks increasingly exploitative and just sad as time passes. She seems to dislike William but clings to the title OR she knows that she would get nothing in a divorce and would face a fate worse than Diana. She’s been a prominent Royal for a decade and still can’t give a speech. Whether that’s due to incompetence or stupidity, it adds a depressing quality to her appearances.

Could not disagree with you more. Her speeches are quiet and relatable. She’s obviously shy. They seem to have a really strong, loving bond and from where I sit there is literally no evidence of William treating her poorly. you can tell she is stable and really benefited from a strong family of origin.

She is a strong woman and protective of her family.

Okay that is fully insane. No one protective of their family would have married a prince let alone allow the children to be public figures. That’s crazy! If someone came to you and said “hey I want your 3 year old to appear at public events and have crazy people deeply invested in him and absolutely have stalkers and paparazzi following him all the time. There’s no pay but he can have a house from his powerful relatives and a pretend job. Real jobs will be prohibited/impossible. His dad’s own family was completely wrecked by the same circumstances.”

Would you be like “Yes! Sign me up and put that toddler in a ceremonial robe!” That’s nuts. She may be a lot of things, many of them good, but “protective of her family” she is not. It’s really crazy to me that anyone would say that.

Yes but your child would be royalty, occupying the very top tier of a hierarchical society and living in unmatched privilege. I would have signed up for that!

It doesn’t seem to have helped any of Elizabeth’s children. My ordinary parents of the same generation are far and away happier and better people than any of Elizabeth’s children. I mean, she raised Prince Edward.

I agree with the PP. She is not protective of her children at all.

By marrying a prince, she signed up for her future children to be public figures. She has no choice in that and no royal family can keep their kids completely out of the public eye until they are eighteen, not that that would even be wise.

Sure, but she’s then obviously not a protective mother.

Disagree. I think Kate is not particularly fascinating or intelligent, but she is a good mother and prioritizes her children above everything else. And she is fortunate to have an excellent support system in her parents and sister. Her kids have a very good chance of being normal, functional adults. Kate & Will will learn their lesson from the Harry debacle too, and make sure the younger two have their own paths in life instead of being hangers-on.

I genuinely don’t think anyone who lets their young children be used or uses them as public figures can be a good mother. Whether it’s Kate Middleton, a TikTok maker, a stage mom or whatever.

I know there are kids who really love acting but even then I think a good mother would restrict them to theater or something and avoid anything with too much exposure like TV or movies at least until they are older.

For the ones born into the monarchy, they would have to break tradition which would be hard, certainly, but not impossible. I don’t think Harry/Meghan’s children make public appearances which is great but maybe that’s just because they left, not saying they’re role models on it. Just that it’s possible.

Whereas Kate Middleton chose this for herself and her children. I’m a very casual consumer of royal news and I’ve seen a TON of pictures and videos of her children at official events, none of which was necessary. She even did the photo shoot right after giving birth.

Kate has been a social striver her entire life. Her kids are a means to an end. That’s it.

You know nothing of her really and yet you judge her so harshly. Why is that? Do you judge William the same way? Probably not! After all, he could have chosen not to have kids to protect them. He knows how hard the life is...

DP but he is much worse than her. I don’t like him at all.

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Anonymous wrote:She's genuine. A wonderful role model for women today! And what is wrong with boundaries and decorum? She is so kind and warm in her engagements for her job. She doesn't overshare, great to see. I'm working on that myself.

How is she a wonderful role model??? She’s never held an actual job. She changed schools to chase a boy. She put up with years of being strung along and publicly embarrassed by William. He finally agreed to marry her and now they have a family. It doesn’t seem like a particularly happy marriage. She goes around a couple of times her month to smile and say hello to people, maybe reading nothing of substance aloud from notecards every so often, while looking as pretty as possible. As we’re supposed to look past how unimpressive it all is just because she married the future king? Sorry, no.

Since when is holding a job a barometer for success on this board? Lol. Every other post on dcum is a SAHM with a rich DH who gave up her job “because it’s best for our family.” At least Kate works, though admittedly she doesn’t seem too invested in it.

We are taking about her being a role model, though, not whether she’s “successful.”

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Anonymous wrote:She understands the assignment.

Agreed. She accepts that her job is to put with anything William does.

It looks increasingly exploitative and just sad as time passes. She seems to dislike William but clings to the title OR she knows that she would get nothing in a divorce and would face a fate worse than Diana. She’s been a prominent Royal for a decade and still can’t give a speech. Whether that’s due to incompetence or stupidity, it adds a depressing quality to her appearances.

Could not disagree with you more. Her speeches are quiet and relatable. She’s obviously shy. They seem to have a really strong, loving bond and from where I sit there is literally no evidence of William treating her poorly. you can tell she is stable and really benefited from a strong family of origin.

She is a strong woman and protective of her family.

Okay that is fully insane. No one protective of their family would have married a prince let alone allow the children to be public figures. That’s crazy! If someone came to you and said “hey I want your 3 year old to appear at public events and have crazy people deeply invested in him and absolutely have stalkers and paparazzi following him all the time. There’s no pay but he can have a house from his powerful relatives and a pretend job. Real jobs will be prohibited/impossible. His dad’s own family was completely wrecked by the same circumstances.”

Would you be like “Yes! Sign me up and put that toddler in a ceremonial robe!” That’s nuts. She may be a lot of things, many of them good, but “protective of her family” she is not. It’s really crazy to me that anyone would say that.

Yes but your child would be royalty, occupying the very top tier of a hierarchical society and living in unmatched privilege. I would have signed up for that!

It doesn’t seem to have helped any of Elizabeth’s children. My ordinary parents of the same generation are far and away happier and better people than any of Elizabeth’s children. I mean, she raised Prince Edward.

I agree with the PP. She is not protective of her children at all.

By marrying a prince, she signed up for her future children to be public figures. She has no choice in that and no royal family can keep their kids completely out of the public eye until they are eighteen, not that that would even be wise.

Sure, but she’s then obviously not a protective mother.

Disagree. I think Kate is not particularly fascinating or intelligent, but she is a good mother and prioritizes her children above everything else. And she is fortunate to have an excellent support system in her parents and sister. Her kids have a very good chance of being normal, functional adults. Kate & Will will learn their lesson from the Harry debacle too, and make sure the younger two have their own paths in life instead of being hangers-on.

I genuinely don’t think anyone who lets their young children be used or uses them as public figures can be a good mother. Whether it’s Kate Middleton, a TikTok maker, a stage mom or whatever.

I know there are kids who really love acting but even then I think a good mother would restrict them to theater or something and avoid anything with too much exposure like TV or movies at least until they are older.

For the ones born into the monarchy, they would have to break tradition which would be hard, certainly, but not impossible. I don’t think Harry/Meghan’s children make public appearances which is great but maybe that’s just because they left, not saying they’re role models on it. Just that it’s possible.

Whereas Kate Middleton chose this for herself and her children. I’m a very casual consumer of royal news and I’ve seen a TON of pictures and videos of her children at official events, none of which was necessary. She even did the photo shoot right after giving birth.

Kate has been a social striver her entire life. Her kids are a means to an end. That’s it.

You know nothing of her really and yet you judge her so harshly. Why is that? Do you judge William the same way? Probably not! After all, he could have chosen not to have kids to protect them. He knows how hard the life is...

DP but he is much worse than her. I don’t like him at all.

That's you. Kate and William are very popular in the UK and here.

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Anonymous wrote:She may be genuine but she doesn’t COME OFF as genuine which was I think the poster is really asking. She comes off as fake. And maybe she isn’t but she really hasn’t learned how to “play the game” and after all these years you think she would have.

I’m not sure how exactly we are judging her as a good mother? Her photo ops with her children? These children are raised by nannies.

This. I very much get the sense that if she could take her money and prestige and quit any type of work the role requires of her, we would never see her again. She definitely would not be involved in any of these charitable efforts she can barely feign interest in. She comes across as completely dispassionate to pretty much anything outside of her own family and she's not great at pretending otherwise.

Your radar needs work. Or just chuck it.

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[quote=Anonymous]That's only your opinion. I think she does come off as genuine. Funny that you harbor such animosity towards someone you never met. [/quote]

Where was the animosity in that post?

Are you the only one allowed an opinion about Kate?

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Anonymous wrote:Knew her at Uni, she’s one of the most performative people I’ve ever known.

I believe it!