Disappointed by TJ decision?

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Anonymous wrote:From previous discussion, parents complain that under current admission policy, your child gets a better chance from non feeder schools or less represented schools. Now parents from non feeder schools are complaining that they should get more seats.

The last thing that the admissions people want is overachieving high stats UMC kids at less represented schools getting in. Undoubtedly, there are plenty of kids like that in any pyramid because most of the time, those are the kids and associated parents that care about things like TJ in large numbers. So you'll see those kids get passed over for a FARMs kid with reasonably good stats to give more opportunity to URMs.

The top 1.5 has very little to do with grades or even classes taken as long as they meet that low standard of 3.5, Algebra in 8th, and 1 or 2 honors classes (young scholars only need honors science, no need for honors english for them). The math levels of last years class show this.

Previously, top students get in. Now, considering the seats taken by the underrepresented groups, I thought that you have to be the very top students to get in. But it turns out that none of the very top students from our school get in this year. So I guess this is how it works. They mean to reject the very top students by making the selection criteria mysterious. They don’t care TJ’s reputation.

And yet, many pathetic parents are posting sour grapes about how their kids didn’t get in. If Tj is so horrible now, rest easy, you have nothing to worry about. Except plenty of smart kids did get in, and will attend. And so TJ will continue to be just fine. The problem is obviously many of you parents. Some of whom are having trouble posting anything intelligible. Maybe therein lies the problem with your kid?

That's just it, TJ still has excellent opportunities, classes not available at base school. It is the selection of lower caliber students that makes the school lower quality.

In some alternate reality, that may be true, but here they're selecting the highest-caliber students, which are different than the ones who used to get because of test buying. Sadly, some still believe that equates to merit.

So true but the sour grapes posters will claim otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of the 1.5 percent at each school.

However, for the schools with so many applicants, the readers just don't have enough information to figure out who the top kids are. I think the application needs to be more comprehensive.

So . . . how about a really hard test that gives you an objective measure for the top 1.5%? I have accepted that FCPS has decided that every middle school gets seats set aside as we are all taxpayers and the school needs to serve every geographic community. What I don't accept is that an objective test is somehow a poor measure of giftedness and ability.

that would be great especially if we can buy access to the answers like the good old days

#veryfakenews

It was well documented here. There is NO point in denying it. This is an established fact.

So established that FBI has an investigation on it!!!!

LOL! What a joker!

[Anonymous]

There may be 50-100 students who need TJ in FCPS and surrounding areas.

With the new admissions changes, maybe 50% of these kids are getting in. That is the problem.

Make changes but do it in a thoughtful manner. Not rushed during pandemic, jumping on the BLM movement and woke nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There may be 50-100 students who need TJ in FCPS and surrounding areas.

With the new admissions changes, maybe 50% of these kids are getting in. That is the problem.

Make changes but do it in a thoughtful manner. Not rushed during pandemic, jumping on the BLM movement and woke nonsense.

All of those 50-100 students also needed TJ to be changed. Now it is, so that's an improvement for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of the 1.5 percent at each school.

However, for the schools with so many applicants, the readers just don't have enough information to figure out who the top kids are. I think the application needs to be more comprehensive.

So . . . how about a really hard test that gives you an objective measure for the top 1.5%? I have accepted that FCPS has decided that every middle school gets seats set aside as we are all taxpayers and the school needs to serve every geographic community. What I don't accept is that an objective test is somehow a poor measure of giftedness and ability.

Then we will back to the square one again with the test prep saga. In my opinion, lets the TJ reputation slide and make TJ a school that is accessible to every tax payer. it will still be one of the best school I believe.

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Anonymous wrote:From previous discussion, parents complain that under current admission policy, your child gets a better chance from non feeder schools or less represented schools. Now parents from non feeder schools are complaining that they should get more seats.

The last thing that the admissions people want is overachieving high stats UMC kids at less represented schools getting in. Undoubtedly, there are plenty of kids like that in any pyramid because most of the time, those are the kids and associated parents that care about things like TJ in large numbers. So you'll see those kids get passed over for a FARMs kid with reasonably good stats to give more opportunity to URMs.

The top 1.5 has very little to do with grades or even classes taken as long as they meet that low standard of 3.5, Algebra in 8th, and 1 or 2 honors classes (young scholars only need honors science, no need for honors english for them). The math levels of last years class show this.

Previously, top students get in. Now, considering the seats taken by the underrepresented groups, I thought that you have to be the very top students to get in. But it turns out that none of the very top students from our school get in this year. So I guess this is how it works. They mean to reject the very top students by making the selection criteria mysterious. They don’t care TJ’s reputation.

Wrong they're accepting the top students and rejecting those who are judged unworthy.

No they are not accepting the top students. 'Rejecting those who are judged unworthy' is just the definition of rejection and judging.
I'm not going to go into details of individual students who were accepted and who were rejected or sent to waitlist, but it is not a close call. The selection process is a joke.
The students who were accepted were several tiers lower caliber than students who were rejected.

Oh, well thank goodness we have an anonymous TJ whisperer who knows every kid who got in and where everyone ranks and their worthiness. This is a joke. You don’t know me, my kid, or my school. I’d venture to guess you barely know your own school. But you do sound crazy. I’m relieved your kid won’t be attending.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From previous discussion, parents complain that under current admission policy, your child gets a better chance from non feeder schools or less represented schools. Now parents from non feeder schools are complaining that they should get more seats.

The last thing that the admissions people want is overachieving high stats UMC kids at less represented schools getting in. Undoubtedly, there are plenty of kids like that in any pyramid because most of the time, those are the kids and associated parents that care about things like TJ in large numbers. So you'll see those kids get passed over for a FARMs kid with reasonably good stats to give more opportunity to URMs.

The top 1.5 has very little to do with grades or even classes taken as long as they meet that low standard of 3.5, Algebra in 8th, and 1 or 2 honors classes (young scholars only need honors science, no need for honors english for them). The math levels of last years class show this.

Previously, top students get in. Now, considering the seats taken by the underrepresented groups, I thought that you have to be the very top students to get in. But it turns out that none of the very top students from our school get in this year. So I guess this is how it works. They mean to reject the very top students by making the selection criteria mysterious. They don’t care TJ’s reputation.

Wrong they're accepting the top students and rejecting those who are judged unworthy.

No they are not accepting the top students. 'Rejecting those who are judged unworthy' is just the definition of rejection and judging.
I'm not going to go into details of individual students who were accepted and who were rejected or sent to waitlist, but it is not a close call. The selection process is a joke.
The students who were accepted were several tiers lower caliber than students who were rejected.

Oh, well thank goodness we have an anonymous TJ whisperer who knows every kid who got in and where everyone ranks and their worthiness. This is a joke. You don’t know me, my kid, or my school. I’d venture to guess you barely know your own school. But you do sound crazy. I’m relieved your kid won’t be attending.

They post the same garbage every year. The process was never perfect. Today, it's still a problem but seems to allow all residents a shot not just those who spend big on outside enrichment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From previous discussion, parents complain that under current admission policy, your child gets a better chance from non feeder schools or less represented schools. Now parents from non feeder schools are complaining that they should get more seats.

The last thing that the admissions people want is overachieving high stats UMC kids at less represented schools getting in. Undoubtedly, there are plenty of kids like that in any pyramid because most of the time, those are the kids and associated parents that care about things like TJ in large numbers. So you'll see those kids get passed over for a FARMs kid with reasonably good stats to give more opportunity to URMs.

The top 1.5 has very little to do with grades or even classes taken as long as they meet that low standard of 3.5, Algebra in 8th, and 1 or 2 honors classes (young scholars only need honors science, no need for honors english for them). The math levels of last years class show this.

Previously, top students get in. Now, considering the seats taken by the underrepresented groups, I thought that you have to be the very top students to get in. But it turns out that none of the very top students from our school get in this year. So I guess this is how it works. They mean to reject the very top students by making the selection criteria mysterious. They don’t care TJ’s reputation.

Wrong they're accepting the top students and rejecting those who are judged unworthy.

No they are not accepting the top students. 'Rejecting those who are judged unworthy' is just the definition of rejection and judging.
I'm not going to go into details of individual students who were accepted and who were rejected or sent to waitlist, but it is not a close call. The selection process is a joke.
The students who were accepted were several tiers lower caliber than students who were rejected.

Oh, well thank goodness we have an anonymous TJ whisperer who knows every kid who got in and where everyone ranks and their worthiness. This is a joke. You don’t know me, my kid, or my school. I’d venture to guess you barely know your own school. But you do sound crazy. I’m relieved your kid won’t be attending.

Yes, I don't know your school and was only talking about my school and the selection process for my school was a joke and I have heard this from friends at other schools nearby. People have posted on here that it is happened at their school as well. Academies of Loudoun did a better job of picking top students within a school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:From previous discussion, parents complain that under current admission policy, your child gets a better chance from non feeder schools or less represented schools. Now parents from non feeder schools are complaining that they should get more seats.

The last thing that the admissions people want is overachieving high stats UMC kids at less represented schools getting in. Undoubtedly, there are plenty of kids like that in any pyramid because most of the time, those are the kids and associated parents that care about things like TJ in large numbers. So you'll see those kids get passed over for a FARMs kid with reasonably good stats to give more opportunity to URMs.

The top 1.5 has very little to do with grades or even classes taken as long as they meet that low standard of 3.5, Algebra in 8th, and 1 or 2 honors classes (young scholars only need honors science, no need for honors english for them). The math levels of last years class show this.

Previously, top students get in. Now, considering the seats taken by the underrepresented groups, I thought that you have to be the very top students to get in. But it turns out that none of the very top students from our school get in this year. So I guess this is how it works. They mean to reject the very top students by making the selection criteria mysterious. They don’t care TJ’s reputation.

Wrong they're accepting the top students and rejecting those who are judged unworthy.

No they are not accepting the top students. 'Rejecting those who are judged unworthy' is just the definition of rejection and judging.
I'm not going to go into details of individual students who were accepted and who were rejected or sent to waitlist, but it is not a close call. The selection process is a joke.
The students who were accepted were several tiers lower caliber than students who were rejected.

Oh, well thank goodness we have an anonymous TJ whisperer who knows every kid who got in and where everyone ranks and their worthiness. This is a joke. You don’t know me, my kid, or my school. I’d venture to guess you barely know your own school. But you do sound crazy. I’m relieved your kid won’t be attending.

Yes, I don't know your school and was only talking about my school and the selection process for my school was a joke and I have heard this from friends at other schools nearby. People have posted on here that it is happened at their school as well. Academies of Loudoun did a better job of picking top students within a school.

You sound nuts, fyi.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even for the feeder schools, same thing happens. The very top students get waitlisted or even rejected while average students get in.
The main reason your child is on WL is not that he is not from a feeder school, but that he is a top student.
For top students, the admission is even worse than pure lottery. Everyone gets the same chance in lottery. But now, top students are in a worse position than average students.

Anonymous wrote:TJ admission process is crooked!

My DC is on WL. DC is in AAP center but not a TJ feeding school. DC is all As in 7th, 8th grade, Took Algebra I honor, Geometry honor and Algebra II honor all As, DC is definitely 1.5% and did well on the test too. DC also study pre-calculus and calculus, but DC's base high school doesn't offer class, so no way DC can take advanced class. DC is very much into geoscience, did quite a lot of research by himself. The kids DC knows who get admitted to TJ, there is no way to compare to him. We are typical mid class and have very limit resource, we are Asian, but not like some post says, we didn't spent money from pre classes. One of DC's friend mocking at DC that DC should fill in Mix as the race and select low income, which makes DC feel really sad.

Questions: the admission said they will select top 1.5% students from each school, but how come the other schools like Long fellow, Carson got some many offers? The population of each school is about the same, slightly different. But the head count is different, why it is so different and the admission claims for equity.

The result is disappointed, but what can we do? I told my DC no matter what, you will be a shining star any where.

I won't agree. What I heard is Carson got 80 seats so far and Longfellow got 40 seats, compare to population, my DD's school is around 1000, slight less than Carson and LongFellow, but DD's school only has 6 seats so far. If offered the same seats every school, I am sure my DD will be admitted already.

What this person is saying is that the actual top 6 at Carson are not in this group of 80 who were selected.

"Actual top 6"? What on earth does that even mean?

I can't speak for Rachel Carson, but students know which students are good students and which are exceptional students. At my kid's school, the top students were not the ones selected for TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of the 1.5 percent at each school.

However, for the schools with so many applicants, the readers just don't have enough information to figure out who the top kids are. I think the application needs to be more comprehensive.

So . . . how about a really hard test that gives you an objective measure for the top 1.5%? I have accepted that FCPS has decided that every middle school gets seats set aside as we are all taxpayers and the school needs to serve every geographic community. What I don't accept is that an objective test is somehow a poor measure of giftedness and ability.

It did a pretty good job for a long time. But now you have a nine-figure TJ Prep industrial complex that has become extremely efficient at converting wealth into the appearance of merit.

Institutions like Curie killed their golden goose.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of the 1.5 percent at each school.

However, for the schools with so many applicants, the readers just don't have enough information to figure out who the top kids are. I think the application needs to be more comprehensive.

So . . . how about a really hard test that gives you an objective measure for the top 1.5%? I have accepted that FCPS has decided that every middle school gets seats set aside as we are all taxpayers and the school needs to serve every geographic community. What I don't accept is that an objective test is somehow a poor measure of giftedness and ability.

that would be great especially if we can buy access to the answers like the good old days

#veryfakenews

It was well documented here. There is NO point in denying it. This is an established fact.

So established that FBI has an investigation on it!!!!

LOL! What a joker!

Why would the FBI investigate it? No crime was committed. Curie merely exposed a huge, monumental weakness in the old admissions process, and so FCPS fixed it.

There's no call for an investigation of what Curie admitted to when they released the 133 first and last names of students who had been admitted to TJ through their boutique, 16-month, $5K TJ prep course. The old process had become pay-to-play, and therefore it had to be fixed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even for the feeder schools, same thing happens. The very top students get waitlisted or even rejected while average students get in.
The main reason your child is on WL is not that he is not from a feeder school, but that he is a top student.
For top students, the admission is even worse than pure lottery. Everyone gets the same chance in lottery. But now, top students are in a worse position than average students.

Anonymous wrote:TJ admission process is crooked!

My DC is on WL. DC is in AAP center but not a TJ feeding school. DC is all As in 7th, 8th grade, Took Algebra I honor, Geometry honor and Algebra II honor all As, DC is definitely 1.5% and did well on the test too. DC also study pre-calculus and calculus, but DC's base high school doesn't offer class, so no way DC can take advanced class. DC is very much into geoscience, did quite a lot of research by himself. The kids DC knows who get admitted to TJ, there is no way to compare to him. We are typical mid class and have very limit resource, we are Asian, but not like some post says, we didn't spent money from pre classes. One of DC's friend mocking at DC that DC should fill in Mix as the race and select low income, which makes DC feel really sad.

Questions: the admission said they will select top 1.5% students from each school, but how come the other schools like Long fellow, Carson got some many offers? The population of each school is about the same, slightly different. But the head count is different, why it is so different and the admission claims for equity.

The result is disappointed, but what can we do? I told my DC no matter what, you will be a shining star any where.

I won't agree. What I heard is Carson got 80 seats so far and Longfellow got 40 seats, compare to population, my DD's school is around 1000, slight less than Carson and LongFellow, but DD's school only has 6 seats so far. If offered the same seats every school, I am sure my DD will be admitted already.

What this person is saying is that the actual top 6 at Carson are not in this group of 80 who were selected.

"Actual top 6"? What on earth does that even mean?

I can't speak for Rachel Carson, but students know which students are good students and which are exceptional students. At my kid's school, the top students were not the ones selected for TJ.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of the 1.5 percent at each school.

However, for the schools with so many applicants, the readers just don't have enough information to figure out who the top kids are. I think the application needs to be more comprehensive.

So . . . how about a really hard test that gives you an objective measure for the top 1.5%? I have accepted that FCPS has decided that every middle school gets seats set aside as we are all taxpayers and the school needs to serve every geographic community. What I don't accept is that an objective test is somehow a poor measure of giftedness and ability.

that would be great especially if we can buy access to the answers like the good old days

#veryfakenews

It was well documented here. There is NO point in denying it. This is an established fact.

So established that FBI has an investigation on it!!!!

LOL! What a joker!

It's well known that these prep centers had been debriefing students after they tested to build question banks for years. Many even said they had seen the same questions on the test that they'd been practicing. That is a fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like the idea of the 1.5 percent at each school.

However, for the schools with so many applicants, the readers just don't have enough information to figure out who the top kids are. I think the application needs to be more comprehensive.

So . . . how about a really hard test that gives you an objective measure for the top 1.5%? I have accepted that FCPS has decided that every middle school gets seats set aside as we are all taxpayers and the school needs to serve every geographic community. What I don't accept is that an objective test is somehow a poor measure of giftedness and ability.

that would be great especially if we can buy access to the answers like the good old days

#veryfakenews

It was well documented here. There is NO point in denying it. This is an established fact.

So established that FBI has an investigation on it!!!!

LOL! What a joker!

Why would the FBI investigate it? No crime was committed. Curie merely exposed a huge, monumental weakness in the old admissions process, and so FCPS fixed it.

There's no call for an investigation of what Curie admitted to when they released the 133 first and last names of students who had been admitted to TJ through their boutique, 16-month, $5K TJ prep course. The old process had become pay-to-play, and therefore it had to be fixed.

Don't know anything about it but a third of the entering class that year had come from Curie. They published the names of their students in the paper. THis was giving those who paid for access a distinct advantage over those who did not spend $$ on prep. It was good the county put an end to this behavior by revamping the process and making TJ a healthier place.