Admin needs to back down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like admin is concerned about the huge number of below grade level students and some are trying to solve this problem by micromanaging.

Of course no one likes to be judged by someone who is ignorant of the difficult dynamic that exists in some classrooms. For example, some students really do not belong in the same classroom as neurotypical students—it is very disruptive to learning (and raising test scores) and not fair for anybody.

Admin would do better fixing structural problems like these than to annoy staff with unhelpful advice.

Exactly this. Not everyone needs to be in "advanced" whatever. Put students with similar-level skill-set, and teach to differentiated medians. Right now, you have 1/3 kids bored out of their minds (and possibly being disruptive), 1/3 struggling because they never understood the basics, and 1/3 are actually getting what they need. And of course the kids with LD who shouldn't be there at all, but are forced to be there in the name of equity and inclusion.

I volunteer in my (middle schooler's) math class and I swear to G-D the teacher spends 20 mins out of 45 in classroom management. Then of the other remaining 25 mins she spends half reviewing basic concepts that the kids really should know (but they don't because 1) everyone is cohorted to 'advanced'; 2) mcps is allergic to memorizing math facts). I feel so terrible for her. And she's a good teacher (with currently 3 parent volunteers in the roster who are an engineer, mathematician, and computer programmer). We are a low FARMs school with good test scores. If it's this hard for us, I don't know how under-resourced areas without involved parents are even treading water.

Which MCPS middle school allows regular parent volunteers for instruction in a math class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

No one has said that here. You truly don’t know how to read in between the lines. Before we can even begin a systemic approach, change should have started at home 3 years ago. You’re not doing your job so counselors, social workers, teachers, etc… are finding it impossible to do their job. It does start at home. Start doing work at home. Start being a parent. You’re here complaining, you could be using that time to help your child so that others can also help your child. This isn’t difficult but you absolutely want someone else to blame rather than doing part of this work yourself. This is a partnership. Stop. Blaming. Everyone. Else. Pitch in and do the work. How many times do you need to hear this? It’s not getting through. I’m sure it never will and the only people who will suffer are your own children. Grow up.

You are a bully. You don't know anything about my family or my child yet you spend time writing this because you can't handle responding to what I am actually saying. You should feel Shane at speaking to strangers you don't know like this, you don't because you believe bullying people online is ok. I really hope you don't work in a school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

No one has said that here. You truly don’t know how to read in between the lines. Before we can even begin a systemic approach, change should have started at home 3 years ago. You’re not doing your job so counselors, social workers, teachers, etc… are finding it impossible to do their job. It does start at home. Start doing work at home. Start being a parent. You’re here complaining, you could be using that time to help your child so that others can also help your child. This isn’t difficult but you absolutely want someone else to blame rather than doing part of this work yourself. This is a partnership. Stop. Blaming. Everyone. Else. Pitch in and do the work. How many times do you need to hear this? It’s not getting through. I’m sure it never will and the only people who will suffer are your own children. Grow up.

You are a bully. You don't know anything about my family or my child yet you spend time writing this because you can't handle responding to what I am actually saying. You should feel Shane at speaking to strangers you don't know like this, you don't because you believe bullying people online is ok. I really hope you don't work in a school.

If your kids are struggling that much, maybe you should take some of this advice?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

And, what exactly are you defining as trauma? You realize not everything is trauma. Mine have experienced real trauma and horrific things happening. Your kids being in virtual school isn't trauma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

No one has said that here. You truly don’t know how to read in between the lines. Before we can even begin a systemic approach, change should have started at home 3 years ago. You’re not doing your job so counselors, social workers, teachers, etc… are finding it impossible to do their job. It does start at home. Start doing work at home. Start being a parent. You’re here complaining, you could be using that time to help your child so that others can also help your child. This isn’t difficult but you absolutely want someone else to blame rather than doing part of this work yourself. This is a partnership. Stop. Blaming. Everyone. Else. Pitch in and do the work. How many times do you need to hear this? It’s not getting through. I’m sure it never will and the only people who will suffer are your own children. Grow up.

You are a bully. You don't know anything about my family or my child yet you spend time writing this because you can't handle responding to what I am actually saying. You should feel Shane at speaking to strangers you don't know like this, you don't because you believe bullying people online is ok. I really hope you don't work in a school.

If your kids are struggling that much, maybe you should take some of this advice?

Wow, you are a piece of work. If you do work in a school it is probably good you are posting here instead of interacting with students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

And, what exactly are you defining as trauma? You realize not everything is trauma. Mine have experienced real trauma and horrific things happening. Your kids being in virtual school isn't trauma.

Explaining the obvious to an idiot here, but not every environmental factor that can contribute to mental health issues is "trauma". Some children really struggle with social isolation, maybe it is not what you would call trauma, but that doesn't mean they aren't truly struggling. Child abuse which was predicted in the spring of 2020 resulting from children lacking adequate care is trauma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

And, what exactly are you defining as trauma? You realize not everything is trauma. Mine have experienced real trauma and horrific things happening. Your kids being in virtual school isn't trauma.

Explaining the obvious to an idiot here, but not every environmental factor that can contribute to mental health issues is "trauma". Some children really struggle with social isolation, maybe it is not what you would call trauma, but that doesn't mean they aren't truly struggling. Child abuse which was predicted in the spring of 2020 resulting from children lacking adequate care is trauma.

If your kid is mentally struggling in any capacity, get them help. Don't rely on the schools to do it for you. That is the point that has been laid out for you over and over again. You just refuse to hear it. Get off of these message boards and start calling around if your situation is that dire. You are the parent. You have the power to be the solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

No one has said that here. You truly don’t know how to read in between the lines. Before we can even begin a systemic approach, change should have started at home 3 years ago. You’re not doing your job so counselors, social workers, teachers, etc… are finding it impossible to do their job. It does start at home. Start doing work at home. Start being a parent. You’re here complaining, you could be using that time to help your child so that others can also help your child. This isn’t difficult but you absolutely want someone else to blame rather than doing part of this work yourself. This is a partnership. Stop. Blaming. Everyone. Else. Pitch in and do the work. How many times do you need to hear this? It’s not getting through. I’m sure it never will and the only people who will suffer are your own children. Grow up.

You are a bully. You don't know anything about my family or my child yet you spend time writing this because you can't handle responding to what I am actually saying. You should feel Shane at speaking to strangers you don't know like this, you don't because you believe bullying people online is ok. I really hope you don't work in a school.

DCUM: Full of parents who have the time to whine and complain about everything but somehow lack the time and energy to actually fix their own problems. Expect everyone else to do it for them. Then *on cue* complain about being bullied. People are trying to tell you the truth but you don't want to hear it. I think I've read like 5 different posts telling you the same thing, but you keep coming back expecting different results and sympathy. Get the clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

And, what exactly are you defining as trauma? You realize not everything is trauma. Mine have experienced real trauma and horrific things happening. Your kids being in virtual school isn't trauma.

Explaining the obvious to an idiot here, but not every environmental factor that can contribute to mental health issues is "trauma". Some children really struggle with social isolation, maybe it is not what you would call trauma, but that doesn't mean they aren't truly struggling. Child abuse which was predicted in the spring of 2020 resulting from children lacking adequate care is trauma.

Again, maybe you are the problem. Didn't you spend time with your kids? It's been two years since your kids were in person and just because they were in virtual school didn't mean they couldn't do activities or see friends.

This is NOT trauma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

And, what exactly are you defining as trauma? You realize not everything is trauma. Mine have experienced real trauma and horrific things happening. Your kids being in virtual school isn't trauma.

Explaining the obvious to an idiot here, but not every environmental factor that can contribute to mental health issues is "trauma". Some children really struggle with social isolation, maybe it is not what you would call trauma, but that doesn't mean they aren't truly struggling. Child abuse which was predicted in the spring of 2020 resulting from children lacking adequate care is trauma.

If your kid is mentally struggling in any capacity, get them help. Don't rely on the schools to do it for you. That is the point that has been laid out for you over and over again. You just refuse to hear it. Get off of these message boards and start calling around if your situation is that dire. You are the parent. You have the power to be the solution.

Or, if your kids are still socially isolated, spend time with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

No one has said that here. You truly don’t know how to read in between the lines. Before we can even begin a systemic approach, change should have started at home 3 years ago. You’re not doing your job so counselors, social workers, teachers, etc… are finding it impossible to do their job. It does start at home. Start doing work at home. Start being a parent. You’re here complaining, you could be using that time to help your child so that others can also help your child. This isn’t difficult but you absolutely want someone else to blame rather than doing part of this work yourself. This is a partnership. Stop. Blaming. Everyone. Else. Pitch in and do the work. How many times do you need to hear this? It’s not getting through. I’m sure it never will and the only people who will suffer are your own children. Grow up.

You are a bully. You don't know anything about my family or my child yet you spend time writing this because you can't handle responding to what I am actually saying. You should feel Shane at speaking to strangers you don't know like this, you don't because you believe bullying people online is ok. I really hope you don't work in a school.

If your kids are struggling that much, maybe you should take some of this advice?

Wow, you are a piece of work. If you do work in a school it is probably good you are posting here instead of interacting with students.

No, I don't work in the school, but you are the piece of work claiming it is trauma. Trauma from covid is losing a parent or loved one. Your kids have been in school for two years, TWO years in person. If they are still having trauma, something else is going on. How do you not get that? Maybe spend some time with your kids to help with their isolation. How have they been isolating now? Are they in virtual or home schooled? Are they not seeing any friends or outside family? Activities?

[Anonymous]

I have some extremely gifted kids who are extremely mentally troubled as well...

I have some not mentally troubled students who are just not as academically gifted...

Guess whose parents actually listen and believe me if I say there is a problem? Not the gifted kids! Oh no-there is NO WAY their child COULD ever....

The problem IS the parenting. So yeah, look in the mirror. A real look. Maybe you AREN'T the problem (and I know many wonderful parents who do everything for their kids) but also, maybe you are. I'd wage, if you're someone reading these comments and getting super defensive, you know, deep down, you are the problem. Maybe you need some help. These remarks aren't meant to be disparaging, we could all use help from time to time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have some extremely gifted kids who are extremely mentally troubled as well...

I have some not mentally troubled students who are just not as academically gifted...

Guess whose parents actually listen and believe me if I say there is a problem? Not the gifted kids! Oh no-there is NO WAY their child COULD ever....

The problem IS the parenting. So yeah, look in the mirror. A real look. Maybe you AREN'T the problem (and I know many wonderful parents who do everything for their kids) but also, maybe you are. I'd wage, if you're someone reading these comments and getting super defensive, you know, deep down, you are the problem. Maybe you need some help. These remarks aren't meant to be disparaging, we could all use help from time to time.

Some of it is also bad genetics, and some of it is parenting. It's not always as simple as just one factor. Some kids do have true genetic mental illnesses. For others its the home environment, school, or other factors that need guidance or changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not a good look to tell parents (whom you literally know nothing about) who have seen first hand the effects of the pandemic on their children, that the issue is their parenting. And then to patronizingly suggest that they engage in "self-reflection" is just disingenuous.

These are bullying tactics designed to stop people from advocating for what they need. Nobody disagrees that bad parenting exists. Mental health issues are also real. They can be caused by trauma including parental abuse and neglect, but can also be genetic and/or exacerbated by environmental factors such as social isolation. There are larger policy issues here that you are trying to distract from by attacking people. You've been doing it on these boards for a while, just want to say, I see what you're doing, and I don't respect it.

You are 100% correct, but no one cares. The prevailing view is that everything kids lost due to the pandemic was reasonable, entirely justified, and caused no harm. Caring for children who have sustained trauma or been set back is solely a parental responsibility with the help of professionals that are in short supply and/or expensive. No one has any interest in a systemic approach to addressing this trauma because doing so would be contrary to the self-interest of adults making education policy.

No one has said that here. You truly don’t know how to read in between the lines. Before we can even begin a systemic approach, change should have started at home 3 years ago. You’re not doing your job so counselors, social workers, teachers, etc… are finding it impossible to do their job. It does start at home. Start doing work at home. Start being a parent. You’re here complaining, you could be using that time to help your child so that others can also help your child. This isn’t difficult but you absolutely want someone else to blame rather than doing part of this work yourself. This is a partnership. Stop. Blaming. Everyone. Else. Pitch in and do the work. How many times do you need to hear this? It’s not getting through. I’m sure it never will and the only people who will suffer are your own children. Grow up.

You are a bully. You don't know anything about my family or my child yet you spend time writing this because you can't handle responding to what I am actually saying. You should feel Shane at speaking to strangers you don't know like this, you don't because you believe bullying people online is ok. I really hope you don't work in a school.

If your kids are struggling that much, maybe you should take some of this advice?

Wow, you are a piece of work. If you do work in a school it is probably good you are posting here instead of interacting with students.

No, I don't work in the school, but you are the piece of work claiming it is trauma. Trauma from covid is losing a parent or loved one. Your kids have been in school for two years, TWO years in person. If they are still having trauma, something else is going on. How do you not get that? Maybe spend some time with your kids to help with their isolation. How have they been isolating now? Are they in virtual or home schooled? Are they not seeing any friends or outside family? Activities?

My child doesn't have trauma. I never said that she did. You know little to nothing about my family, nor will I share that with you because you are an abusive bully.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have some extremely gifted kids who are extremely mentally troubled as well...

I have some not mentally troubled students who are just not as academically gifted...

Guess whose parents actually listen and believe me if I say there is a problem? Not the gifted kids! Oh no-there is NO WAY their child COULD ever....

The problem IS the parenting. So yeah, look in the mirror. A real look. Maybe you AREN'T the problem (and I know many wonderful parents who do everything for their kids) but also, maybe you are. I'd wage, if you're someone reading these comments and getting super defensive, you know, deep down, you are the problem. Maybe you need some help. These remarks aren't meant to be disparaging, we could all use help from time to time.

This nonsense amounts to "I don't like your opinions about virtual learning, therefore you must be a bad parent". Sometimes, you will encounter people who you disagree with, and those individuals are mostly not terrible people. Recognizing that is part of being a mature adult.