Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Duke, Northwestern, other Ivies What Does It Take ?

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If you've attended any of these schools as an undergrad you know that third of the students are truly exceptional - genius level IQ. They are not in the same league as their peers and it's obvious to everyone. These are the kids who don't study for the PSATs and are National Merit Scholars. These are the kids taking the max number of AP classes and doing well. A third meet all the thresholds for smart and exceptional in a specific area - athletics, music, acting, etc. And a third meet all the thresholds for smart, but aren't as exceptional as their peers. These students are really good students and they may do a lot of interesting activities (german camp every summer, advocacy work on a national level, etc.), but they need to work hard and they're not going to be at the helm of the NIH. This person might become your primary care doctor, but they're not going to be leading research studies. The latter is the group that really benefits from ticking the boxes -- being a URM, a first gen college student, a good enough athlete to play on a team - but not olympic caliber, or a legacy. And then you also have to sprinkle in the wealthy donor children who don't fit into any category, but have the arrogance to think they do.

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Anonymous wrote:If you've attended any of these schools as an undergrad you know that third of the students are truly exceptional - genius level IQ. They are not in the same league as their peers and it's obvious to everyone. These are the kids who don't study for the PSATs and are National Merit Scholars. These are the kids taking the max number of AP classes and doing well. A third meet all the thresholds for smart and exceptional in a specific area - athletics, music, acting, etc. And a third meet all the thresholds for smart, but aren't as exceptional as their peers. These students are really good students and they may do a lot of interesting activities (german camp every summer, advocacy work on a national level, etc.), but they need to work hard and they're not going to be at the helm of the NIH. This person might become your primary care doctor, but they're not going to be leading research studies. The latter is the group that really benefits from ticking the boxes -- being a URM, a first gen college student, a good enough athlete to play on a team - but not olympic caliber, or a legacy. And then you also have to sprinkle in the wealthy donor children who don't fit into any category, but have the arrogance to think they do.

Wealthy arrogant kids are more than a "sprinkle" of that bottom third. Biggest duds that waste the opportunities available at an elite higher learning institution belong in that category IME.

[Anonymous]

If you've attended any of these schools as an undergrad you know that third of the students are truly exceptional - genius level IQ. They are not in the same league as their peers and it's obvious to everyone. These are the kids who don't study for the PSATs and are National Merit Scholars. These are the kids taking the max number of AP classes and doing well. A third meet all the thresholds for smart and exceptional in a specific area - athletics, music, acting, etc. And a third meet all the thresholds for smart, but aren't as exceptional as their peers. These students are really good students and they may do a lot of interesting activities (german camp every summer, advocacy work on a national level, etc.), but they need to work hard and they're not going to be at the helm of the NIH. This person might become your primary care doctor, but they're not going to be leading research studies. The latter is the group that really benefits from ticking the boxes -- being a URM, a first gen college student, a good enough athlete to play on a team - but not olympic caliber, or a legacy. And then you also have to sprinkle in the wealthy donor children who don't fit into any category, but have the arrogance to think they do.

So truly exceptional students can't also be URM, first gen, an athlete or from a wealthy family? Go it.

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If you've attended any of these schools as an undergrad you know that third of the students are truly exceptional - genius level IQ. They are not in the same league as their peers and it's obvious to everyone. These are the kids who don't study for the PSATs and are National Merit Scholars. These are the kids taking the max number of AP classes and doing well. A third meet all the thresholds for smart and exceptional in a specific area - athletics, music, acting, etc. And a third meet all the thresholds for smart, but aren't as exceptional as their peers. These students are really good students and they may do a lot of interesting activities (german camp every summer, advocacy work on a national level, etc.), but they need to work hard and they're not going to be at the helm of the NIH. This person might become your primary care doctor, but they're not going to be leading research studies. The latter is the group that really benefits from ticking the boxes -- being a URM, a first gen college student, a good enough athlete to play on a team - but not olympic caliber, or a legacy. And then you also have to sprinkle in the wealthy donor children who don't fit into any category, but have the arrogance to think they do.

So truly exceptional students can't also be URM, first gen, an athlete or from a wealthy family? Go it.

Urm and first gen are more rare. Athletes and wealthy are more common. But exceptional kids can be from any category.

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If you've attended any of these schools as an undergrad you know that third of the students are truly exceptional - genius level IQ. They are not in the same league as their peers and it's obvious to everyone. These are the kids who don't study for the PSATs and are National Merit Scholars. These are the kids taking the max number of AP classes and doing well. A third meet all the thresholds for smart and exceptional in a specific area - athletics, music, acting, etc. And a third meet all the thresholds for smart, but aren't as exceptional as their peers. These students are really good students and they may do a lot of interesting activities (german camp every summer, advocacy work on a national level, etc.), but they need to work hard and they're not going to be at the helm of the NIH. This person might become your primary care doctor, but they're not going to be leading research studies. The latter is the group that really benefits from ticking the boxes -- being a URM, a first gen college student, a good enough athlete to play on a team - but not olympic caliber, or a legacy. And then you also have to sprinkle in the wealthy donor children who don't fit into any category, but have the arrogance to think they do.

So truly exceptional students can't also be URM, first gen, an athlete or from a wealthy family? Go it.

Urm and first gen are more rare. Athletes and wealthy are more common. But exceptional kids can be from any category.

Don't mean that exceptional talent is more rare with urm or first gen. Or more common with athletes and wealthy. Just that athletes and wealth are a much more common demographic found at these schools. For all the carrying on in here that you need to be urm or first gen to access Harvard, go there and you will learn that these groups are not common. Only about 15 percent of the students.

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If you've attended any of these schools as an undergrad you know that third of the students are truly exceptional - genius level IQ. They are not in the same league as their peers and it's obvious to everyone. These are the kids who don't study for the PSATs and are National Merit Scholars. These are the kids taking the max number of AP classes and doing well. A third meet all the thresholds for smart and exceptional in a specific area - athletics, music, acting, etc. And a third meet all the thresholds for smart, but aren't as exceptional as their peers. These students are really good students and they may do a lot of interesting activities (german camp every summer, advocacy work on a national level, etc.), but they need to work hard and they're not going to be at the helm of the NIH. This person might become your primary care doctor, but they're not going to be leading research studies. The latter is the group that really benefits from ticking the boxes -- being a URM, a first gen college student, a good enough athlete to play on a team - but not olympic caliber, or a legacy. And then you also have to sprinkle in the wealthy donor children who don't fit into any category, but have the arrogance to think they do.

So truly exceptional students can't also be URM, first gen, an athlete or from a wealthy family? Go it.

Yeah, that PP is full of it. The 1/3 who are "geniuses" because they didn't study for SAT are probably also highly enriched throughout their childhood. It all goes back to enrichment and learning opportunities, whether specfific prep or overall enrichment. Yes, there is certainly an aspect of acumen, but there is a set of parents who maintain that because their kid didn't do a prep class for SAT, they are the true genius (& SAT is the true mark of intellect). Hogwash.

[Anonymous]

The hooked kids can be in any category - including the future head of NIH. But if you are hooked and not that, you can still get in -- which is not true for those who aren't hooked.

Signed a legacy Ivy grad!

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Anonymous wrote:Having high stats and being a gifted athlete is the secret sauce.

Well a gifted something. If not a recruited athlete, these kids are exceptional musical talents, or writing, or stem, etc. It's an intimidating group.

Yes. Legacy or URM too.

Don't know about legacy status but the urm's are as intimidating talent wise as all the rest.

I’m sorry but this is just absolutely not true in my experience dealing with kids from HYPSC schools

Is the C for Cornell?

Usually, the C is for the University of Chicago. HYPSCC would include Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:Having high stats and being a gifted athlete is the secret sauce.

Well a gifted something. If not a recruited athlete, these kids are exceptional musical talents, or writing, or stem, etc. It's an intimidating group.

Yes. Legacy or URM too.

Don't know about legacy status but the urm's are as intimidating talent wise as all the rest.

I’m sorry but this is just absolutely not true in my experience dealing with kids from HYPSC schools

Is the C for Cornell?

Usually, the C is for the University of Chicago. HYPSCC would include Columbia.

The more common acronym is HYPSM (MIT).

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Anonymous wrote:Having high stats and being a gifted athlete is the secret sauce.

Well a gifted something. If not a recruited athlete, these kids are exceptional musical talents, or writing, or stem, etc. It's an intimidating group.

Yes. Legacy or URM too.

Don't know about legacy status but the urm's are as intimidating talent wise as all the rest.

I’m sorry but this is just absolutely not true in my experience dealing with kids from HYPSC schools

Is the C for Cornell?

Usually, the C is for the University of Chicago. HYPSCC would include Columbia.

Love DCUM trying to "rewrite" what is supposedly "rankings". LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Having high stats and being a gifted athlete is the secret sauce.

Well a gifted something. If not a recruited athlete, these kids are exceptional musical talents, or writing, or stem, etc. It's an intimidating group.

Yes. Legacy or URM too.

Don't know about legacy status but the urm's are as intimidating talent wise as all the rest.

I’m sorry but this is just absolutely not true in my experience dealing with kids from HYPSC schools

Is the C for Cornell?

Usually, the C is for the University of Chicago. HYPSCC would include Columbia.

No. People snobby enough to focus on this acronym of colleges would not include U Chicago, but nice try, Booster. It's likely Caltech. Possibly Columbia.

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HS or bust?!

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Anonymous wrote:Having high stats and being a gifted athlete is the secret sauce.

Well a gifted something. If not a recruited athlete, these kids are exceptional musical talents, or writing, or stem, etc. It's an intimidating group.

Yes. Legacy or URM too.

Don't know about legacy status but the urm's are as intimidating talent wise as all the rest.

I’m sorry but this is just absolutely not true in my experience dealing with kids from HYPSC schools

Is the C for Cornell?

Usually, the C is for the University of Chicago. HYPSCC would include Columbia.

No. People snobby enough to focus on this acronym of colleges would not include U Chicago, but nice try, Booster. It's likely Caltech. Possibly Columbia.

LOL ! Caltech LOL!

You all need to get out more.

US News 2023 rankings:

Princeton, MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, & Chicago are the top 6.

Columbia fell to #18 after caught cheating in its reports to US News.

But, the C could stand for Columbia depending upon the context.

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Chicago

Ha Ha Ha Ha. Good one.

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Anonymous wrote:If you've attended any of these schools as an undergrad you know that third of the students are truly exceptional - genius level IQ. They are not in the same league as their peers and it's obvious to everyone. These are the kids who don't study for the PSATs and are National Merit Scholars. These are the kids taking the max number of AP classes and doing well. A third meet all the thresholds for smart and exceptional in a specific area - athletics, music, acting, etc. And a third meet all the thresholds for smart, but aren't as exceptional as their peers. These students are really good students and they may do a lot of interesting activities (german camp every summer, advocacy work on a national level, etc.), but they need to work hard and they're not going to be at the helm of the NIH. This person might become your primary care doctor, but they're not going to be leading research studies. The latter is the group that really benefits from ticking the boxes -- being a URM, a first gen college student, a good enough athlete to play on a team - but not olympic caliber, or a legacy. And then you also have to sprinkle in the wealthy donor children who don't fit into any category, but have the arrogance to think they do.

I have a DC like this. I worry he will look too perfect and AOs will think he prepped. Honestly DC is just exceptional.