controversial opinions about college

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Good grades at any university will result in good job offers. You don’t need to go to a top school to get a good job.

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Dual enrollment is a scam. Not all schools accept the classes depending on the major.

Those who don’t test well on STUPID STANDARIZED tests still do amazingly well in life.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone on this site is really pushing Colby. The school is very very small and is located in Maine. It’s not Ivy League and it’s expensive for what you get. DCUM constantly has posts about Colby. My opinion is that someone on here is really pushing this tiny school.

Someone likes a college and says so on a college forum? Unpossible! Alert the authorities!

FYI everyone knows Colby isn’t an Ivy League school, it’s in the NESCAC. And it costs the same as most other private colleges. And there are more than 8 good colleges, and Colby is one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Dual enrollment is a scam. Not all schools accept the classes depending on the major.

Those who don’t test well on STUPID STANDARIZED tests still do amazingly well in life.

What is your definition of not testing well? Anyone with basic reading and writing skills can get an above average score.

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Anonymous wrote:Dual enrollment is a scam. Not all schools accept the classes depending on the major.

Those who don’t test well on STUPID STANDARIZED tests still do amazingly well in life.

What is your definition of not testing well? Anyone with basic reading and writing skills can get an above average score.

Are you joking or from lake wobegon?

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Anonymous wrote:People with sub 1000 SAT scores don’t belong in college

I got a 1010 on my SATs and I have a Master’s degree. My brother got a 1300 and dropped out of college. Test scores aren’t everything.

Of course they are not. But they are one of the strong indicators that someone has much better chance to succeed academically and in career. Not that a particular person must turn out to be so but statistically it does. Schools can't predict if one student will do better than another, but they can only go by statistics for prediction.

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Anonymous wrote:Upper middle class white kids are in a dead zone for admissions unless they’re a recruitable athlete. They’re in the same pile as rich kids, private and boarding school kids but have a fraction of the resources. Especially if you live in a high COL area.

And moving in high school should be considered the disadvantage that it is.

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But with squash, field hockey, volleyball, lacrosse, baseball, golf, tennis, wrestling, water polo, fencing, cross country, etc, etc, etc, there's plenty of opportunities for UMC white kids to get a hook.

You must have toddlers if you think these sports don’t cost a bloody fortune. To support my kid’s high school tennis “career” (not scholarship or D1 level) was $20,000 a year. This is pocket change in the tennis training world. To be recruitable in these sports, parents are spending major cash.

Wow PP, I spent maybe $2k per year on my kids tennis “career” lol. What the heck are you paying for if they are not D1 or scholarships?

Racquets, shoes, year-round lessons, summer training camps, USTA matches and all the travel that comes with it. You couldn’t even make the high school team if you weren’t putting this much into it. High school sports are no longer hobbies you pick up once a season through the school. That was the 80s.

Ha well my DS graduated in 2021 so not the 80s and he played #1 on his tennis team junior and senior year. Racquets cost $250 each strung and didn’t get replaced every year, sneaks did get replaced every year. Did year round tennis but not during season spent the summer at the local country club where he worked playing tennis, no camps, traveled only to driving distance USTA tournaments. My point is why spend five figure per year for a sport they’re not going to play in college? It’s just an EC at that point.

Where do you live?

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Anonymous wrote:People with sub 1000 SAT scores don’t belong in college

I got a 1010 on my SATs and I have a Master’s degree. My brother got a 1300 and dropped out of college. Test scores aren’t everything.

Of course they are not. But they are one of the strong indicators that someone has much better chance to succeed academically and in career. Not that a particular person must turn out to be so but statistically it does. Schools can't predict if one student will do better than another, but they can only go by statistics for prediction.

Grades.

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Anonymous wrote:Upper middle class white kids are in a dead zone for admissions unless they’re a recruitable athlete. They’re in the same pile as rich kids, private and boarding school kids but have a fraction of the resources. Especially if you live in a high COL area.

And moving in high school should be considered the disadvantage that it is.

Correct.

But with squash, field hockey, volleyball, lacrosse, baseball, golf, tennis, wrestling, water polo, fencing, cross country, etc, etc, etc, there's plenty of opportunities for UMC white kids to get a hook.

You must have toddlers if you think these sports don’t cost a bloody fortune. To support my kid’s high school tennis “career” (not scholarship or D1 level) was $20,000 a year. This is pocket change in the tennis training world. To be recruitable in these sports, parents are spending major cash.

Wow PP, I spent maybe $2k per year on my kids tennis “career” lol. What the heck are you paying for if they are not D1 or scholarships?

Racquets, shoes, year-round lessons, summer training camps, USTA matches and all the travel that comes with it. You couldn’t even make the high school team if you weren’t putting this much into it. High school sports are no longer hobbies you pick up once a season through the school. That was the 80s.

Ha well my DS graduated in 2021 so not the 80s and he played #1 on his tennis team junior and senior year. Racquets cost $250 each strung and didn’t get replaced every year, sneaks did get replaced every year. Did year round tennis but not during season spent the summer at the local country club where he worked playing tennis, no camps, traveled only to driving distance USTA tournaments. My point is why spend five figure per year for a sport they’re not going to play in college? It’s just an EC at that point.

Where do you live?

NOVA

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Anonymous wrote:Upper middle class white kids are in a dead zone for admissions unless they’re a recruitable athlete. They’re in the same pile as rich kids, private and boarding school kids but have a fraction of the resources. Especially if you live in a high COL area.

And moving in high school should be considered the disadvantage that it is.

Correct.

But with squash, field hockey, volleyball, lacrosse, baseball, golf, tennis, wrestling, water polo, fencing, cross country, etc, etc, etc, there's plenty of opportunities for UMC white kids to get a hook.

Absolute rubbish. Only about 7% of high school athletes play in college (2% play division I), and that number includes kids who are not UMC or white. Many UMC white kids are not even athletes. Very far from being “plenty of opportunity” especially as a hook to an elite school.

Top SLACs (Division 3) have 33% or more recruited athletes; these athletes are far more white — and wealthy — than these schools’ general student population.

You are missing the point. The PP distinguished between UMC white kids and “rich kids” (private and boarding school kids). Then another PP said the former group (not-rich UMC white kids) still have “plenty of opportunities” as athletes. I disagreed, because there’s not a lot of athletes and many of them are not UMC (they are rich) or white. You are actually supporting my point - these white wealthy SLAC athletes are very often rich private school kids NOT regular suburban UMC kids. Thus the point stands that sports are not a major opportunity for regular non-rich UMC white kids.

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I think a lot of people are unaware of how many people are really, really rich. Not earn a nice paycheck rich- extreme wealth. $60,000 a year per kid for prep school, paying full tuition in cash at $77,000 a year universities, multiple $3 million homes, several vacations a year to places like Vail, Europe, Maldives, and Dubai. Legacy. Private coaches for everything rich. Normal UMC white kids are competing against these kids for a spot at selective universities. If you’re white and not super wealthy, you need a geography hook, an unusual talent, or to come from poverty and/or an “at-risk” high school but show that you’ve overcome that adversity with great grades, test scores, and service work (and write an essay that sells that.)

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Anonymous wrote:Upper middle class white kids are in a dead zone for admissions unless they’re a recruitable athlete. They’re in the same pile as rich kids, private and boarding school kids but have a fraction of the resources. Especially if you live in a high COL area.

And moving in high school should be considered the disadvantage that it is.

Correct.

But with squash, field hockey, volleyball, lacrosse, baseball, golf, tennis, wrestling, water polo, fencing, cross country, etc, etc, etc, there's plenty of opportunities for UMC white kids to get a hook.

You must have toddlers if you think these sports don’t cost a bloody fortune. To support my kid’s high school tennis “career” (not scholarship or D1 level) was $20,000 a year. This is pocket change in the tennis training world. To be recruitable in these sports, parents are spending major cash.

Wow PP, I spent maybe $2k per year on my kids tennis “career” lol. What the heck are you paying for if they are not D1 or scholarships?

Racquets, shoes, year-round lessons, summer training camps, USTA matches and all the travel that comes with it. You couldn’t even make the high school team if you weren’t putting this much into it. High school sports are no longer hobbies you pick up once a season through the school. That was the 80s.

Ha well my DS graduated in 2021 so not the 80s and he played #1 on his tennis team junior and senior year. Racquets cost $250 each strung and didn’t get replaced every year, sneaks did get replaced every year. Did year round tennis but not during season spent the summer at the local country club where he worked playing tennis, no camps, traveled only to driving distance USTA tournaments. My point is why spend five figure per year for a sport they’re not going to play in college? It’s just an EC at that point.

Where do you live?

NOVA

I find this hard to believe, but congratulations for attending a school that didn’t have such a competitive team, I guess. Because at most schools, kids at the top are spending $85 an hour for private lessons and thousands for summer training. But in any case, the point is that to play at the recruitable level takes an enormous amount of money. Facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Upper middle class white kids are in a dead zone for admissions unless they’re a recruitable athlete. They’re in the same pile as rich kids, private and boarding school kids but have a fraction of the resources. Especially if you live in a high COL area.

And moving in high school should be considered the disadvantage that it is.

Correct.

But with squash, field hockey, volleyball, lacrosse, baseball, golf, tennis, wrestling, water polo, fencing, cross country, etc, etc, etc, there's plenty of opportunities for UMC white kids to get a hook.

You must have toddlers if you think these sports don’t cost a bloody fortune. To support my kid’s high school tennis “career” (not scholarship or D1 level) was $20,000 a year. This is pocket change in the tennis training world. To be recruitable in these sports, parents are spending major cash.

Wow PP, I spent maybe $2k per year on my kids tennis “career” lol. What the heck are you paying for if they are not D1 or scholarships?

Racquets, shoes, year-round lessons, summer training camps, USTA matches and all the travel that comes with it. You couldn’t even make the high school team if you weren’t putting this much into it. High school sports are no longer hobbies you pick up once a season through the school. That was the 80s.

Ha well my DS graduated in 2021 so not the 80s and he played #1 on his tennis team junior and senior year. Racquets cost $250 each strung and didn’t get replaced every year, sneaks did get replaced every year. Did year round tennis but not during season spent the summer at the local country club where he worked playing tennis, no camps, traveled only to driving distance USTA tournaments. My point is why spend five figure per year for a sport they’re not going to play in college? It’s just an EC at that point.

Where do you live?

NOVA

I find this hard to believe, but congratulations for attending a school that didn’t have such a competitive team, I guess. Because at most schools, kids at the top are spending $85 an hour for private lessons and thousands for summer training. But in any case, the point is that to play at the recruitable level takes an enormous amount of money. Facts.

Hahah ok well the point is that he didn’t want to play in college since he wanted to go to better school than he could play at, so no need to go hog wild on lessons and camps etc. so yeah my kid who is apparently not as competitive as yours is in the exact same positions as yours and we spent alot less.

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Anonymous wrote:Upper middle class white kids are in a dead zone for admissions unless they’re a recruitable athlete. They’re in the same pile as rich kids, private and boarding school kids but have a fraction of the resources. Especially if you live in a high COL area.

And moving in high school should be considered the disadvantage that it is.

Correct.

But with squash, field hockey, volleyball, lacrosse, baseball, golf, tennis, wrestling, water polo, fencing, cross country, etc, etc, etc, there's plenty of opportunities for UMC white kids to get a hook.

You must have toddlers if you think these sports don’t cost a bloody fortune. To support my kid’s high school tennis “career” (not scholarship or D1 level) was $20,000 a year. This is pocket change in the tennis training world. To be recruitable in these sports, parents are spending major cash.

Wow PP, I spent maybe $2k per year on my kids tennis “career” lol. What the heck are you paying for if they are not D1 or scholarships?

Racquets, shoes, year-round lessons, summer training camps, USTA matches and all the travel that comes with it. You couldn’t even make the high school team if you weren’t putting this much into it. High school sports are no longer hobbies you pick up once a season through the school. That was the 80s.

Ha well my DS graduated in 2021 so not the 80s and he played #1 on his tennis team junior and senior year. Racquets cost $250 each strung and didn’t get replaced every year, sneaks did get replaced every year. Did year round tennis but not during season spent the summer at the local country club where he worked playing tennis, no camps, traveled only to driving distance USTA tournaments. My point is why spend five figure per year for a sport they’re not going to play in college? It’s just an EC at that point.

Where do you live?

NOVA

I find this hard to believe, but congratulations for attending a school that didn’t have such a competitive team, I guess. Because at most schools, kids at the top are spending $85 an hour for private lessons and thousands for summer training. But in any case, the point is that to play at the recruitable level takes an enormous amount of money. Facts.

Hahah ok well the point is that he didn’t want to play in college since he wanted to go to better school than he could play at, so no need to go hog wild on lessons and camps etc. so yeah my kid who is apparently not as competitive as yours is in the exact same positions as yours and we spent alot less.

No, the point was that to be a recruitable white athlete, it costs a fortune in training so those kids are still rich. You didn’t spend much and your kid wasn’t recruited. I spent a lot more than you just because our team was competitive but far, far less than parents whose kids will get scholarships. Both our kids experiences make my point. You turned this into some personal one upsmanship about our different experiences in different states, at different schools. Weird. But congratulations on feeling smug.

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Anonymous wrote:AP is a scam.

Kids at my DC's school are abandoning AP for dual enrollment. Credits in hand are a good thing to have vs a test score that a college may or may not accept. The trade off is that the GPA bump isn't as high.

Don't most colleges accept 4s and 5s except for Ivy League schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Upper middle class white kids are in a dead zone for admissions unless they’re a recruitable athlete. They’re in the same pile as rich kids, private and boarding school kids but have a fraction of the resources. Especially if you live in a high COL area.

And moving in high school should be considered the disadvantage that it is.

Correct.

But with squash, field hockey, volleyball, lacrosse, baseball, golf, tennis, wrestling, water polo, fencing, cross country, etc, etc, etc, there's plenty of opportunities for UMC white kids to get a hook.

You must have toddlers if you think these sports don’t cost a bloody fortune. To support my kid’s high school tennis “career” (not scholarship or D1 level) was $20,000 a year. This is pocket change in the tennis training world. To be recruitable in these sports, parents are spending major cash.

Wow PP, I spent maybe $2k per year on my kids tennis “career” lol. What the heck are you paying for if they are not D1 or scholarships?

Racquets, shoes, year-round lessons, summer training camps, USTA matches and all the travel that comes with it. You couldn’t even make the high school team if you weren’t putting this much into it. High school sports are no longer hobbies you pick up once a season through the school. That was the 80s.

which is such a damn shame.