Would removing busses to AAP Centers fix the bus problem?

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is getting rid of LLIV (or rather integrating LLIV into regular classrooms) so there will be two smart kid classes and two dumb kids classes. Most of my kid's LLIV friends are moving to the center so maybe that will at least lead to smaller class sizes..

I really, really hope you are a troll

I am not a troll, this is what we've been told, not in so many words, but there will be Level III/IV classes and Level I/II classes. If that's not segregation into smart/dumb, I don't know what is.

I teach at a Title 1 school with one local Level IV class. There are not enough Level IV kids to fill the class, so it also has Level III and a couple Level II kids. Per the state requirements specific hours (per month) need to be given to the “gifted” students. This is how the county fulfills that state requirement. The goal in the next 2+ years is to push the AAP curriculum down to Gen Ed anyways…I’m not sure how that we go, but we’ll see.

The class you describe is no longer a Level IV class.

I’ll tell you how it will go. The slower students through no fault of their own will crash and burn. The curriculum will get watered down. The teaching will get dumbed down. The students who require a more challenging learning environment (through no fault of their own) will wind up with the short end of the stick. And both China and India will conquer the world with the next generation of highly educated and rigorously trained scientists and engineers while we drown ourselves in the Sea of Mediocrity.

The bold is true, but the anti-AAP brigade here refuses to believe it. I've seen it in action with friends' kids who grew frustrated and bored with being asked by the teachers to "help" other students with math all the time, or who were left to do projects without much teacher interaction or direction because the teachers HAD to focus on the kids who needed more help. And yes, this was in the the local level IV "AAP" classes in a couple of different schools. The fault wasn't the teachers'. The fault was in the myth that teachers can magically differentiate in the classroom even in local level IV. Nope. Those classes will be filled out with kids who don't want to be there and/or don't have the same aptitude as others, and they will not get all the help they need, while the kids who can move faster and absorb more, more quickly, also don't get the very different type of help they need. But we're not supposed to say any of this out loud, oh no. Heaven forbid we should speak frankly about how kids with aptitude have needs too, and how centers have met those needs for years. "At what cost?!" cry the anti-AAP mommies of DCUM. None to you, personally. But you still want to tank the center schools, which work just fine, and actually let your kids' Gen Ed teachers actually have more time for your kids.

If kids can no longer flee to centers, wouldn’t local level programs be stronger because you would have enough kids for a classroom? GT classes back in the day did not have centers. And some of the people bringing these issues up-myself included-are AAP parents. Whenever anyone brings up any criticism of the program to light-some AAP parents lose their minds and automatically assume it’s anti-AAP jealous gen Ed parents. And tons of parents have kids in both AAP and gen Ed.

The option for centers should remain even if level 4 is offered at the base school. Parents should be able to send their kids to centers with kids at similar academic levels. Level 4 at the schools will never be better or even equal except maybe at schools with high SES population.

School districts need to provide opportunities for gifted kids but this is not a requirement. Plenty of gen ed kids end up in classes with a mix of kids from very bright to struggling. Do they not have the same rights as AAP kids to attend a class with kids at similar academic levels?
And the number of kids who are so gifted that their needs could not be met at the local level with other bright kids is miniscule. AAP should not be used as a way for parents to flee their base schools. It should be a program for the gifted. It's become something else entirely. At the MS/HS levels-sure, separate magnets make sense. At the ES level-gifted services need to be provided at every school/received at the base school.

It is a requirement to provide services for gifted children - it’s a state requirement.

Do you have a reading comprehension issue? I stayed as much but separate centers are not a requirement.

Nope, you have a problem writing clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is getting rid of LLIV (or rather integrating LLIV into regular classrooms) so there will be two smart kid classes and two dumb kids classes. Most of my kid's LLIV friends are moving to the center so maybe that will at least lead to smaller class sizes..

I really, really hope you are a troll

I am not a troll, this is what we've been told, not in so many words, but there will be Level III/IV classes and Level I/II classes. If that's not segregation into smart/dumb, I don't know what is.

I teach at a Title 1 school with one local Level IV class. There are not enough Level IV kids to fill the class, so it also has Level III and a couple Level II kids. Per the state requirements specific hours (per month) need to be given to the “gifted” students. This is how the county fulfills that state requirement. The goal in the next 2+ years is to push the AAP curriculum down to Gen Ed anyways…I’m not sure how that we go, but we’ll see.

The class you describe is no longer a Level IV class.

I’ll tell you how it will go. The slower students through no fault of their own will crash and burn. The curriculum will get watered down. The teaching will get dumbed down. The students who require a more challenging learning environment (through no fault of their own) will wind up with the short end of the stick. And both China and India will conquer the world with the next generation of highly educated and rigorously trained scientists and engineers while we drown ourselves in the Sea of Mediocrity.

The bold is true, but the anti-AAP brigade here refuses to believe it. I've seen it in action with friends' kids who grew frustrated and bored with being asked by the teachers to "help" other students with math all the time, or who were left to do projects without much teacher interaction or direction because the teachers HAD to focus on the kids who needed more help. And yes, this was in the the local level IV "AAP" classes in a couple of different schools. The fault wasn't the teachers'. The fault was in the myth that teachers can magically differentiate in the classroom even in local level IV. Nope. Those classes will be filled out with kids who don't want to be there and/or don't have the same aptitude as others, and they will not get all the help they need, while the kids who can move faster and absorb more, more quickly, also don't get the very different type of help they need. But we're not supposed to say any of this out loud, oh no. Heaven forbid we should speak frankly about how kids with aptitude have needs too, and how centers have met those needs for years. "At what cost?!" cry the anti-AAP mommies of DCUM. None to you, personally. But you still want to tank the center schools, which work just fine, and actually let your kids' Gen Ed teachers actually have more time for your kids.

If kids can no longer flee to centers, wouldn’t local level programs be stronger because you would have enough kids for a classroom? GT classes back in the day did not have centers. And some of the people bringing these issues up-myself included-are AAP parents. Whenever anyone brings up any criticism of the program to light-some AAP parents lose their minds and automatically assume it’s anti-AAP jealous gen Ed parents. And tons of parents have kids in both AAP and gen Ed.

The option for centers should remain even if level 4 is offered at the base school. Parents should be able to send their kids to centers with kids at similar academic levels. Level 4 at the schools will never be better or even equal except maybe at schools with high SES population.

The entitlement mentality you have is quite astounding. No, if schools all have LLIV, then centers should no longer be an option. FCPS talks a big game with “equity,” but offering one set of kids the choice of two schools and the other set of kids only one needs to end. Deal with it.

LLIV **does not equal** Center instruction.

Class of 12 average- + fast-pace learners will not receive the same level of instruction as a Center class of 24.

You should also do some reading on the differences between "equity" and "equality."

I teach at a Local Level 4. Each year my class averages 60-80 percent Level 4. The rest are high achieving students who you would not know are NOT level 4. In fact some get into Level 4 in 6th grade. My instruction is the same as the center because we all follow the same curriculum guides for AAP. Stop with the narrative that center equals better instruction.

That’s because some center parents really do believe their kids are so gifted that it would crumble. And I think many are trying to escape poorer rated schools. Again, all these kids will be in same classes come HS.

My kid is in AAP. I couldn't give a flip about who will be in his high school classes. Anyone who can handle the work should be there. Right now, I'm happy that his class is academically focused and he's getting a solid foundation in ES.

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How many buses are needed for each elementary school? Having one bus run for AAP students is likely not going to solve the issue.
From what I've seen, it is not the number of buses that's an issue, but a shortage of drivers.

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I don't think people understand how few busses are used for AAP. My kids' bus to school takes 10 minutes. A girl down the street went to our center school and took the bus AN HOUR each way. So I don't think they're sending too many buses around - they're stopping one bus at like 40 houses. I chose to keep my kids local AAP pretty much solely for this reason

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is getting rid of LLIV (or rather integrating LLIV into regular classrooms) so there will be two smart kid classes and two dumb kids classes. Most of my kid's LLIV friends are moving to the center so maybe that will at least lead to smaller class sizes..

I really, really hope you are a troll

I am not a troll, this is what we've been told, not in so many words, but there will be Level III/IV classes and Level I/II classes. If that's not segregation into smart/dumb, I don't know what is.

I teach at a Title 1 school with one local Level IV class. There are not enough Level IV kids to fill the class, so it also has Level III and a couple Level II kids. Per the state requirements specific hours (per month) need to be given to the “gifted” students. This is how the county fulfills that state requirement. The goal in the next 2+ years is to push the AAP curriculum down to Gen Ed anyways…I’m not sure how that we go, but we’ll see.

The class you describe is no longer a Level IV class.

I’ll tell you how it will go. The slower students through no fault of their own will crash and burn. The curriculum will get watered down. The teaching will get dumbed down. The students who require a more challenging learning environment (through no fault of their own) will wind up with the short end of the stick. And both China and India will conquer the world with the next generation of highly educated and rigorously trained scientists and engineers while we drown ourselves in the Sea of Mediocrity.

The bold is true, but the anti-AAP brigade here refuses to believe it. I've seen it in action with friends' kids who grew frustrated and bored with being asked by the teachers to "help" other students with math all the time, or who were left to do projects without much teacher interaction or direction because the teachers HAD to focus on the kids who needed more help. And yes, this was in the the local level IV "AAP" classes in a couple of different schools. The fault wasn't the teachers'. The fault was in the myth that teachers can magically differentiate in the classroom even in local level IV. Nope. Those classes will be filled out with kids who don't want to be there and/or don't have the same aptitude as others, and they will not get all the help they need, while the kids who can move faster and absorb more, more quickly, also don't get the very different type of help they need. But we're not supposed to say any of this out loud, oh no. Heaven forbid we should speak frankly about how kids with aptitude have needs too, and how centers have met those needs for years. "At what cost?!" cry the anti-AAP mommies of DCUM. None to you, personally. But you still want to tank the center schools, which work just fine, and actually let your kids' Gen Ed teachers actually have more time for your kids.

If kids can no longer flee to centers, wouldn’t local level programs be stronger because you would have enough kids for a classroom? GT classes back in the day did not have centers. And some of the people bringing these issues up-myself included-are AAP parents. Whenever anyone brings up any criticism of the program to light-some AAP parents lose their minds and automatically assume it’s anti-AAP jealous gen Ed parents. And tons of parents have kids in both AAP and gen Ed.

The option for centers should remain even if level 4 is offered at the base school. Parents should be able to send their kids to centers with kids at similar academic levels. Level 4 at the schools will never be better or even equal except maybe at schools with high SES population.

The entitlement mentality you have is quite astounding. No, if schools all have LLIV, then centers should no longer be an option. FCPS talks a big game with “equity,” but offering one set of kids the choice of two schools and the other set of kids only one needs to end. Deal with it.

LLIV **does not equal** Center instruction.

Class of 12 average- + fast-pace learners will not receive the same level of instruction as a Center class of 24.
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You should also do some reading on the differences between "equity" and "equality."

+1 to all of this. This thread is a mess.

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Damn OP you really triggered the AAP center crew. This thread makes me happy I kept my kid in local level IV. She’s thrived and will be going to a MS that’s a center and attend classes with local level IV and center kids. I do know parents who did pick center and the curriculum is the same. It just seems like more busy work?
To your original question-not sure buses will make a difference. I think if FCPS eventually has level IV in every school, they can say that gifted services are available and therefore, they do not need to provide centers. I doubt it will impact any kids currently in AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is getting rid of LLIV (or rather integrating LLIV into regular classrooms) so there will be two smart kid classes and two dumb kids classes. Most of my kid's LLIV friends are moving to the center so maybe that will at least lead to smaller class sizes..

I really, really hope you are a troll

I am not a troll, this is what we've been told, not in so many words, but there will be Level III/IV classes and Level I/II classes. If that's not segregation into smart/dumb, I don't know what is.

I teach at a Title 1 school with one local Level IV class. There are not enough Level IV kids to fill the class, so it also has Level III and a couple Level II kids. Per the state requirements specific hours (per month) need to be given to the “gifted” students. This is how the county fulfills that state requirement. The goal in the next 2+ years is to push the AAP curriculum down to Gen Ed anyways…I’m not sure how that we go, but we’ll see.

The class you describe is no longer a Level IV class.

I’ll tell you how it will go. The slower students through no fault of their own will crash and burn. The curriculum will get watered down. The teaching will get dumbed down. The students who require a more challenging learning environment (through no fault of their own) will wind up with the short end of the stick. And both China and India will conquer the world with the next generation of highly educated and rigorously trained scientists and engineers while we drown ourselves in the Sea of Mediocrity.

The bold is true, but the anti-AAP brigade here refuses to believe it. I've seen it in action with friends' kids who grew frustrated and bored with being asked by the teachers to "help" other students with math all the time, or who were left to do projects without much teacher interaction or direction because the teachers HAD to focus on the kids who needed more help. And yes, this was in the the local level IV "AAP" classes in a couple of different schools. The fault wasn't the teachers'. The fault was in the myth that teachers can magically differentiate in the classroom even in local level IV. Nope. Those classes will be filled out with kids who don't want to be there and/or don't have the same aptitude as others, and they will not get all the help they need, while the kids who can move faster and absorb more, more quickly, also don't get the very different type of help they need. But we're not supposed to say any of this out loud, oh no. Heaven forbid we should speak frankly about how kids with aptitude have needs too, and how centers have met those needs for years. "At what cost?!" cry the anti-AAP mommies of DCUM. None to you, personally. But you still want to tank the center schools, which work just fine, and actually let your kids' Gen Ed teachers actually have more time for your kids.

If kids can no longer flee to centers, wouldn’t local level programs be stronger because you would have enough kids for a classroom? GT classes back in the day did not have centers. And some of the people bringing these issues up-myself included-are AAP parents. Whenever anyone brings up any criticism of the program to light-some AAP parents lose their minds and automatically assume it’s anti-AAP jealous gen Ed parents. And tons of parents have kids in both AAP and gen Ed.

The option for centers should remain even if level 4 is offered at the base school. Parents should be able to send their kids to centers with kids at similar academic levels. Level 4 at the schools will never be better or even equal except maybe at schools with high SES population.

School districts need to provide opportunities for gifted kids but this is not a requirement. Plenty of gen ed kids end up in classes with a mix of kids from very bright to struggling. Do they not have the same rights as AAP kids to attend a class with kids at similar academic levels?
And the number of kids who are so gifted that their needs could not be met at the local level with other bright kids is miniscule. AAP should not be used as a way for parents to flee their base schools. It should be a program for the gifted. It's become something else entirely. At the MS/HS levels-sure, separate magnets make sense. At the ES level-gifted services need to be provided at every school/received at the base school.

It is a requirement to provide services for gifted children - it’s a state requirement.

Do you have a reading comprehension issue? I stayed as much but separate centers are not a requirement.

Nope, you have a problem writing clearly.

Meh I noticed it and corrected it right away. You still can’t read very well.

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Anonymous wrote:I teach at a Local Level 4. ... Stop with the narrative that center equals better instruction.

Nope, no bias there. Those other teachers couldn't possibly be doing a better job than you. In fact, you are able to teach the same curriculum just as well to a wider range of students - you must deserve a raise!

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is getting rid of LLIV (or rather integrating LLIV into regular classrooms) so there will be two smart kid classes and two dumb kids classes. Most of my kid's LLIV friends are moving to the center so maybe that will at least lead to smaller class sizes..

I really, really hope you are a troll

I am not a troll, this is what we've been told, not in so many words, but there will be Level III/IV classes and Level I/II classes. If that's not segregation into smart/dumb, I don't know what is.

I teach at a Title 1 school with one local Level IV class. There are not enough Level IV kids to fill the class, so it also has Level III and a couple Level II kids. Per the state requirements specific hours (per month) need to be given to the “gifted” students. This is how the county fulfills that state requirement. The goal in the next 2+ years is to push the AAP curriculum down to Gen Ed anyways…I’m not sure how that we go, but we’ll see.

The class you describe is no longer a Level IV class.

I’ll tell you how it will go. The slower students through no fault of their own will crash and burn. The curriculum will get watered down. The teaching will get dumbed down. The students who require a more challenging learning environment (through no fault of their own) will wind up with the short end of the stick. And both China and India will conquer the world with the next generation of highly educated and rigorously trained scientists and engineers while we drown ourselves in the Sea of Mediocrity.

The bold is true, but the anti-AAP brigade here refuses to believe it. I've seen it in action with friends' kids who grew frustrated and bored with being asked by the teachers to "help" other students with math all the time, or who were left to do projects without much teacher interaction or direction because the teachers HAD to focus on the kids who needed more help. And yes, this was in the the local level IV "AAP" classes in a couple of different schools. The fault wasn't the teachers'. The fault was in the myth that teachers can magically differentiate in the classroom even in local level IV. Nope. Those classes will be filled out with kids who don't want to be there and/or don't have the same aptitude as others, and they will not get all the help they need, while the kids who can move faster and absorb more, more quickly, also don't get the very different type of help they need. But we're not supposed to say any of this out loud, oh no. Heaven forbid we should speak frankly about how kids with aptitude have needs too, and how centers have met those needs for years. "At what cost?!" cry the anti-AAP mommies of DCUM. None to you, personally. But you still want to tank the center schools, which work just fine, and actually let your kids' Gen Ed teachers actually have more time for your kids.

What about all the general ed kids who are being left behind while your precious AAP snowflake gets all the best teachers and the best resources while our children are ignored. DO NOT DENY IT YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE. Your babies are so special they deserve all the special things, but all the other kids are just too dumb and don't deserve the good teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Damn OP you really triggered the AAP center crew. This thread makes me happy I kept my kid in local level IV. She’s thrived and will be going to a MS that’s a center and attend classes with local level IV and center kids. I do know parents who did pick center and the curriculum is the same. It just seems like more busy work?
To your original question-not sure buses will make a difference. I think if FCPS eventually has level IV in every school, they can say that gifted services are available and therefore, they do not need to provide centers. I doubt it will impact any kids currently in AAP.

They're horrid little wenches, those AAP mamas.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is getting rid of LLIV (or rather integrating LLIV into regular classrooms) so there will be two smart kid classes and two dumb kids classes. Most of my kid's LLIV friends are moving to the center so maybe that will at least lead to smaller class sizes..

I really, really hope you are a troll

I am not a troll, this is what we've been told, not in so many words, but there will be Level III/IV classes and Level I/II classes. If that's not segregation into smart/dumb, I don't know what is.

I teach at a Title 1 school with one local Level IV class. There are not enough Level IV kids to fill the class, so it also has Level III and a couple Level II kids. Per the state requirements specific hours (per month) need to be given to the “gifted” students. This is how the county fulfills that state requirement. The goal in the next 2+ years is to push the AAP curriculum down to Gen Ed anyways…I’m not sure how that we go, but we’ll see.

The class you describe is no longer a Level IV class.

I’ll tell you how it will go. The slower students through no fault of their own will crash and burn. The curriculum will get watered down. The teaching will get dumbed down. The students who require a more challenging learning environment (through no fault of their own) will wind up with the short end of the stick. And both China and India will conquer the world with the next generation of highly educated and rigorously trained scientists and engineers while we drown ourselves in the Sea of Mediocrity.

The bold is true, but the anti-AAP brigade here refuses to believe it. I've seen it in action with friends' kids who grew frustrated and bored with being asked by the teachers to "help" other students with math all the time, or who were left to do projects without much teacher interaction or direction because the teachers HAD to focus on the kids who needed more help. And yes, this was in the the local level IV "AAP" classes in a couple of different schools. The fault wasn't the teachers'. The fault was in the myth that teachers can magically differentiate in the classroom even in local level IV. Nope. Those classes will be filled out with kids who don't want to be there and/or don't have the same aptitude as others, and they will not get all the help they need, while the kids who can move faster and absorb more, more quickly, also don't get the very different type of help they need. But we're not supposed to say any of this out loud, oh no. Heaven forbid we should speak frankly about how kids with aptitude have needs too, and how centers have met those needs for years. "At what cost?!" cry the anti-AAP mommies of DCUM. None to you, personally. But you still want to tank the center schools, which work just fine, and actually let your kids' Gen Ed teachers actually have more time for your kids.

What about all the general ed kids who are being left behind while your precious AAP snowflake gets all the best teachers and the best resources while our children are ignored. DO NOT DENY IT YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE. Your babies are so special they deserve all the special things, but all the other kids are just too dumb and don't deserve the good teachers.

I’m sorry your kid didn’t make the cut. You really need to learn to cope. Therapy can help.

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Anonymous wrote:Damn OP you really triggered the AAP center crew. This thread makes me happy I kept my kid in local level IV. She’s thrived and will be going to a MS that’s a center and attend classes with local level IV and center kids. I do know parents who did pick center and the curriculum is the same. It just seems like more busy work?
To your original question-not sure buses will make a difference. I think if FCPS eventually has level IV in every school, they can say that gifted services are available and therefore, they do not need to provide centers. I doubt it will impact any kids currently in AAP.

They're horrid little wenches, those AAP mamas.

But I’m an AAP mama and I can’t relate to these people.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is getting rid of LLIV (or rather integrating LLIV into regular classrooms) so there will be two smart kid classes and two dumb kids classes. Most of my kid's LLIV friends are moving to the center so maybe that will at least lead to smaller class sizes..

I really, really hope you are a troll

I am not a troll, this is what we've been told, not in so many words, but there will be Level III/IV classes and Level I/II classes. If that's not segregation into smart/dumb, I don't know what is.

I teach at a Title 1 school with one local Level IV class. There are not enough Level IV kids to fill the class, so it also has Level III and a couple Level II kids. Per the state requirements specific hours (per month) need to be given to the “gifted” students. This is how the county fulfills that state requirement. The goal in the next 2+ years is to push the AAP curriculum down to Gen Ed anyways…I’m not sure how that we go, but we’ll see.

The class you describe is no longer a Level IV class.

I’ll tell you how it will go. The slower students through no fault of their own will crash and burn. The curriculum will get watered down. The teaching will get dumbed down. The students who require a more challenging learning environment (through no fault of their own) will wind up with the short end of the stick. And both China and India will conquer the world with the next generation of highly educated and rigorously trained scientists and engineers while we drown ourselves in the Sea of Mediocrity.

The bold is true, but the anti-AAP brigade here refuses to believe it. I've seen it in action with friends' kids who grew frustrated and bored with being asked by the teachers to "help" other students with math all the time, or who were left to do projects without much teacher interaction or direction because the teachers HAD to focus on the kids who needed more help. And yes, this was in the the local level IV "AAP" classes in a couple of different schools. The fault wasn't the teachers'. The fault was in the myth that teachers can magically differentiate in the classroom even in local level IV. Nope. Those classes will be filled out with kids who don't want to be there and/or don't have the same aptitude as others, and they will not get all the help they need, while the kids who can move faster and absorb more, more quickly, also don't get the very different type of help they need. But we're not supposed to say any of this out loud, oh no. Heaven forbid we should speak frankly about how kids with aptitude have needs too, and how centers have met those needs for years. "At what cost?!" cry the anti-AAP mommies of DCUM. None to you, personally. But you still want to tank the center schools, which work just fine, and actually let your kids' Gen Ed teachers actually have more time for your kids.

What about all the general ed kids who are being left behind while your precious AAP snowflake gets all the best teachers and the best resources while our children are ignored. DO NOT DENY IT YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE. Your babies are so special they deserve all the special things, but all the other kids are just too dumb and don't deserve the good teachers.

I’m sorry your kid didn’t make the cut. You really need to learn to cope. Therapy can help.

You are really not helping with the whole AAP parents are a-holes bias PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school is getting rid of LLIV (or rather integrating LLIV into regular classrooms) so there will be two smart kid classes and two dumb kids classes. Most of my kid's LLIV friends are moving to the center so maybe that will at least lead to smaller class sizes..

I really, really hope you are a troll

I am not a troll, this is what we've been told, not in so many words, but there will be Level III/IV classes and Level I/II classes. If that's not segregation into smart/dumb, I don't know what is.

I teach at a Title 1 school with one local Level IV class. There are not enough Level IV kids to fill the class, so it also has Level III and a couple Level II kids. Per the state requirements specific hours (per month) need to be given to the “gifted” students. This is how the county fulfills that state requirement. The goal in the next 2+ years is to push the AAP curriculum down to Gen Ed anyways…I’m not sure how that we go, but we’ll see.

The class you describe is no longer a Level IV class.

I’ll tell you how it will go. The slower students through no fault of their own will crash and burn. The curriculum will get watered down. The teaching will get dumbed down. The students who require a more challenging learning environment (through no fault of their own) will wind up with the short end of the stick. And both China and India will conquer the world with the next generation of highly educated and rigorously trained scientists and engineers while we drown ourselves in the Sea of Mediocrity.

The bold is true, but the anti-AAP brigade here refuses to believe it. I've seen it in action with friends' kids who grew frustrated and bored with being asked by the teachers to "help" other students with math all the time, or who were left to do projects without much teacher interaction or direction because the teachers HAD to focus on the kids who needed more help. And yes, this was in the the local level IV "AAP" classes in a couple of different schools. The fault wasn't the teachers'. The fault was in the myth that teachers can magically differentiate in the classroom even in local level IV. Nope. Those classes will be filled out with kids who don't want to be there and/or don't have the same aptitude as others, and they will not get all the help they need, while the kids who can move faster and absorb more, more quickly, also don't get the very different type of help they need. But we're not supposed to say any of this out loud, oh no. Heaven forbid we should speak frankly about how kids with aptitude have needs too, and how centers have met those needs for years. "At what cost?!" cry the anti-AAP mommies of DCUM. None to you, personally. But you still want to tank the center schools, which work just fine, and actually let your kids' Gen Ed teachers actually have more time for your kids.

What about all the general ed kids who are being left behind while your precious AAP snowflake gets all the best teachers and the best resources while our children are ignored. DO NOT DENY IT YOU KNOW IT'S TRUE. Your babies are so special they deserve all the special things, but all the other kids are just too dumb and don't deserve the good teachers.

I'm sorry, but this sounds so pathetically jealous. How is this attitude helping your child or contributing to the dialogue? If you think your child needs AAP, then ADVOCATE for them. Talk to the teacher, the AART, the administration. Strengthen your materials and submit again. Then again. Don't give up and complain that others have what your kid doesn't if you aren't doing anything about it.

If you feel your child is being left behind, supplement supplement supplement.

The hard truth is that not every kid can handle AAP-level material. If yours can, keep at it until they're in the program. If they can't, accept it and move on.

But don't try to drag down an entire successful program with your pettiness.

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Anonymous wrote:Damn OP you really triggered the AAP center crew. This thread makes me happy I kept my kid in local level IV. She’s thrived and will be going to a MS that’s a center and attend classes with local level IV and center kids. I do know parents who did pick center and the curriculum is the same. It just seems like more busy work?
To your original question-not sure buses will make a difference. I think if FCPS eventually has level IV in every school, they can say that gifted services are available and therefore, they do not need to provide centers. I doubt it will impact any kids currently in AAP.

They're horrid little wenches, those AAP mamas.

But I’m an AAP mama and I can’t relate to these people.

DP. I cannot relate to any poster on this thread.