Anyone listen to this week's this American Life? It is terrifying what school closures has done

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of kids did well virtually.

Is there statistical proof of this? We have lots of data showing how poorly kids did.

look at any stats of homeschool or blended learning from 2019 and before. It used to be a point of pride for bright students to accelerate that way. Remember the Ivy arms race of how many AP courses a high schooler can squeeze in?

From a quick google search

Spring 2008, homeschool students scored exceptionally high on test scores, in the 80th percentile, in comparison with the public school average of 50th percentile.

https://www.brighthubeducation.com/homeschool-methodologies/87123-what-do-the-statistics-say-about-homeschooling/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of kids did well virtually.

Is there statistical proof of this? We have lots of data showing how poorly kids did.

look at any stats of homeschool or blended learning from 2019 and before. It used to be a point of pride for bright students to accelerate that way. Remember the Ivy arms race of how many AP courses a high schooler can squeeze in?

From a quick google search

Spring 2008, homeschool students scored exceptionally high on test scores, in the 80th percentile, in comparison with the public school average of 50th percentile.

https://www.brighthubeducation.com/homeschool-methodologies/87123-what-do-the-statistics-say-about-homeschooling/

I will let you in on a little secret. People CHOOSE to homeschool for a variety of reasons and many kids do very well. Often, the choice involves doing school at a pace and a schedule that works for the entire family. What happened during the pandemic was neither a choice for more families nor homeschooling. It was public school delivered according to the public school calendar the convenience of the system and in a way that posed challenges for families. There are kids who did well, because the went into it with attributes that make them likely to succeed. That is not the majority.

[Anonymous]

The question was "do many kids do well virtually?". The answer is yes. Its not for everybody but for a subsection of those currently served bu public education it is the superior option. I hope that the choice remains and is improved constantly. Lets make internet access mandatory in federal public housing so that kids who trurant due to family and work obligations can access education at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The question was "do many kids do well virtually?". The answer is yes. Its not for everybody but for a subsection of those currently served bu public education it is the superior option. I hope that the choice remains and is improved constantly. Lets make internet access mandatory in federal public housing so that kids who trurant due to family and work obligations can access education at home.

I agree with you, but I wouldn't use statistics on "homeschooling" to demonstrate how many students do well with virtual learning. They are not necessarily the same.

[Anonymous]

There are not statistics that demonstrate that online learning in the pandemic was effective other than for a statistically irrelevant minority of kids. The data that exists is the opposite, showing horrifying and likely permanent educational harm.

Homeschooling stats are irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Online learning in the pandemic was home schooling !
Its in the name HOME schooling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Online learning in the pandemic was home schooling !
Its in the name HOME schooling.

If you are trying to use pre-pandemic homeschooling stats to argue that the school closures were anything other than unmitigated educational disaster, you have already lost the argument.

Find some stats that show that DL during the pandemic was a success for anything other than a statistically irrelevant group of kids. I’ll wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Online learning in the pandemic was home schooling !
Its in the name HOME schooling.

omg. Are you really this dense?

Home schooling is the choice to educate your kids yourself at home because it is that child's best learning environment and you feel you have adequate resourced to do it. Online learning was not a choice, not every child's best learning environment and many, many, many of us did not have the resources for it.

Sit down. Be quiet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Online learning in the pandemic was home schooling !
Its in the name HOME schooling.

If you are trying to use pre-pandemic homeschooling stats to argue that the school closures were anything other than unmitigated educational disaster, you have already lost the argument.

Find some stats that show that DL during the pandemic was a success for anything other than a statistically irrelevant group of kids. I’ll wait.

https://www.edutopia.org/article/why-are-some-kids-thriving-during-remote-learning

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2769434

Key points: Distance learning has an advantage for kids who are easliy distracted by classmates. It improve sleeping time since kids dont have to be up and out before their parents leave for work. It provides the flexiability for kids who have heath conditions that mean they have to come and go from hospital.

Just because your family didnt take to distance learning dosen't mean that it was universally an unmitigated disaster.

distance learning is being used by Ukranian teachers to maintain consistancy for refugees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Online learning in the pandemic was home schooling !
Its in the name HOME schooling.

If you are trying to use pre-pandemic homeschooling stats to argue that the school closures were anything other than unmitigated educational disaster, you have already lost the argument.

Find some stats that show that DL during the pandemic was a success for anything other than a statistically irrelevant group of kids. I’ll wait.

https://www.edutopia.org/article/why-are-some-kids-thriving-during-remote-learning

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2769434

Key points: Distance learning has an advantage for kids who are easliy distracted by classmates. It improve sleeping time since kids dont have to be up and out before their parents leave for work. It provides the flexiability for kids who have heath conditions that mean they have to come and go from hospital.

Just because your family didnt take to distance learning dosen't mean that it was universally an unmitigated disaster.

distance learning is being used by Ukranian teachers to maintain consistancy for refugees.

You are relying on a "study" demonstrating the success of virtual learning from August of 2020?

[Anonymous]

That was at the hight of the pandemic and lockdowns so its relevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Online learning in the pandemic was home schooling !
Its in the name HOME schooling.

If you are trying to use pre-pandemic homeschooling stats to argue that the school closures were anything other than unmitigated educational disaster, you have already lost the argument.

Find some stats that show that DL during the pandemic was a success for anything other than a statistically irrelevant group of kids. I’ll wait.

https://www.edutopia.org/article/why-are-some-kids-thriving-during-remote-learning

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2769434

Key points: Distance learning has an advantage for kids who are easliy distracted by classmates. It improve sleeping time since kids dont have to be up and out before their parents leave for work. It provides the flexiability for kids who have heath conditions that mean they have to come and go from hospital.

Just because your family didnt take to distance learning dosen't mean that it was universally an unmitigated disaster.

distance learning is being used by Ukranian teachers to maintain consistancy for refugees.

IN AN ACTUAL WAR. omg. Stop trying to make these justifications/comparisons. You are embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

The educational loss is huge, but I'm also worried about all of these covid paranoids and all the emotional damage they are doing to their kids. There is a facebook group called "Still Coviding, Parent edition" that I was on for a time and it was terrifying. These people have clear mental illness, and a lot of them were veering into abusive behavior. Isolating their kids, snatching them away from other kids at the park, etc. Its so bizarre and I worry about all the damage from that.

On another note, I think our recent national crime surge is caused by covid closures, and the type of fear based messaging that seemed to have created a lot of unstable and aggressive behavior in others.