Anyone listen to this week's this American Life? It is terrifying what school closures has done

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Anonymous wrote:This is thread is wildly self righteous. As a teacher I hate to tell you that I would do the exact same thing the next time a deadly pandemic came through. I was back as soon as we could get vaccinated but wasn't going to risk my life for my work. Obviously we learned later that some measures weren't needed during Covid, but I'd much prefer being more cautious than aggressive when it comes to my life.

Seriously. I don’t see any of these folks volunteering to teach. Many of them STILL don’t go into their offices!

Teachers are vital, just like police, fire, health professionals - all of whom stayed on the job.

Then pay them? Then respect them! Then don't try to tell them how to do their jobs! Support them! Teach your kids to respect them! If they are so damn valuable, treat them as such!

My public school district pays well actually. And they are respected.

Of course, my district was also open and not remote with the exception of the spring 2020.

They showed up for the kids and that is exactly why I respect them so much. That’s not the case for many.

DP: I mean this in the bluntest way possible: I don’t care for a moment about anon parent respect. I did exactly what I would do next time. Yes, it would have been safe, but we didn’t know that In certainty at the time of the debate. And when it comes to my life, I choose certainty. I guess I’ll just have to live w/o your respect, but at least I’m living

Private schools and many public schools across the country opened and operated safely. The science just doesn’t support comments like this.

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Anonymous wrote:This is thread is wildly self righteous. As a teacher I hate to tell you that I would do the exact same thing the next time a deadly pandemic came through. I was back as soon as we could get vaccinated but wasn't going to risk my life for my work. Obviously we learned later that some measures weren't needed during Covid, but I'd much prefer being more cautious than aggressive when it comes to my life.

Seriously. I don’t see any of these folks volunteering to teach. Many of them STILL don’t go into their offices!

Teachers are vital, just like police, fire, health professionals - all of whom stayed on the job.

Then pay them? Then respect them! Then don't try to tell them how to do their jobs! Support them! Teach your kids to respect them! If they are so damn valuable, treat them as such!

My public school district pays well actually. And they are respected.

Of course, my district was also open and not remote with the exception of the spring 2020.

They showed up for the kids and that is exactly why I respect them so much. That’s not the case for many.

DP: I mean this in the bluntest way possible: I don’t care for a moment about anon parent respect. I did exactly what I would do next time. Yes, it would have been safe, but we didn’t know that In certainty at the time of the debate. And when it comes to my life, I choose certainty. I guess I’ll just have to live w/o your respect, but at least I’m living

My response was quite literally to a post asking for respect for teachers.

For teachers who went in person from the get go. Some of us waited to get vaccinated and were pilloried for it

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Anonymous wrote:This is thread is wildly self righteous. As a teacher I hate to tell you that I would do the exact same thing the next time a deadly pandemic came through. I was back as soon as we could get vaccinated but wasn't going to risk my life for my work. Obviously we learned later that some measures weren't needed during Covid, but I'd much prefer being more cautious than aggressive when it comes to my life.

Seriously. I don’t see any of these folks volunteering to teach. Many of them STILL don’t go into their offices!

Teachers are vital, just like police, fire, health professionals - all of whom stayed on the job.

Then pay them? Then respect them! Then don't try to tell them how to do their jobs! Support them! Teach your kids to respect them! If they are so damn valuable, treat them as such!

My public school district pays well actually. And they are respected.

Of course, my district was also open and not remote with the exception of the spring 2020.

They showed up for the kids and that is exactly why I respect them so much. That’s not the case for many.

DP: I mean this in the bluntest way possible: I don’t care for a moment about anon parent respect. I did exactly what I would do next time. Yes, it would have been safe, but we didn’t know that In certainty at the time of the debate. And when it comes to my life, I choose certainty. I guess I’ll just have to live w/o your respect, but at least I’m living

Private schools and many public schools across the country opened and operated safely. The science just doesn’t support comments like this.

Where did I say they didn’t? I said, based on what we knew at the time, there were competing studies on risk level. I chose not to be a statistic and would do so again

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My kid did well.

Online school was not ideal but fine. Actually, it was nice not to have the daily grind and to eat lunch together in the yard.

The poster blaming unions is a nut. Private schools closed as well and no unions are involved. It’s crazy teachers don’t want to die, huh? Really easy to judge from your white collar work from home job…

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Anonymous wrote:This is thread is wildly self righteous. As a teacher I hate to tell you that I would do the exact same thing the next time a deadly pandemic came through. I was back as soon as we could get vaccinated but wasn't going to risk my life for my work. Obviously we learned later that some measures weren't needed during Covid, but I'd much prefer being more cautious than aggressive when it comes to my life.

Seriously. I don’t see any of these folks volunteering to teach. Many of them STILL don’t go into their offices!

Teachers are vital, just like police, fire, health professionals - all of whom stayed on the job.

Then pay them? Then respect them! Then don't try to tell them how to do their jobs! Support them! Teach your kids to respect them! If they are so damn valuable, treat them as such!

My public school district pays well actually. And they are respected.

Of course, my district was also open and not remote with the exception of the spring 2020.

They showed up for the kids and that is exactly why I respect them so much. That’s not the case for many.

DP: I mean this in the bluntest way possible: I don’t care for a moment about anon parent respect. I did exactly what I would do next time. Yes, it would have been safe, but we didn’t know that In certainty at the time of the debate. And when it comes to my life, I choose certainty. I guess I’ll just have to live w/o your respect, but at least I’m living

Private schools and many public schools across the country opened and operated safely. The science just doesn’t support comments like this.

Where did I say they didn’t? I said, based on what we knew at the time, there were competing studies on risk level. I chose not to be a statistic and would do so again

That was in response to “at least I’m living.”

The data on risk was there by spring of 2020 arguably, for sure by fall of 2021, not to mention there were some districts that stayed remote even after teachers were prioritized for vaccination.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did well.

Online school was not ideal but fine. Actually, it was nice not to have the daily grind and to eat lunch together in the yard.

The poster blaming unions is a nut. Private schools closed as well and no unions are involved. It’s crazy teachers don’t want to die, huh? Really easy to judge from your white collar work from home job…

And that's the thing. How "nice" would it have been if you had a job where you had to show up in person?

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Anonymous wrote:This is thread is wildly self righteous. As a teacher I hate to tell you that I would do the exact same thing the next time a deadly pandemic came through. I was back as soon as we could get vaccinated but wasn't going to risk my life for my work. Obviously we learned later that some measures weren't needed during Covid, but I'd much prefer being more cautious than aggressive when it comes to my life.

Seriously. I don’t see any of these folks volunteering to teach. Many of them STILL don’t go into their offices!

Teachers are vital, just like police, fire, health professionals - all of whom stayed on the job.

grocery store workers, Lowe's workers, ABC store workers... They all stayed on the job.

The difference between those people and teachers is teachers have college degrees and other options. We also tend to be married, most of us to non-teachers. Do you have any clue how many of us would have summarily quit if forced to go back prior to vaccines? We can easily live on my spouse’s income, as is the case edit many of my coworkers. And there isn’t some deep bench of non working teachers waiting in the wings. There was already a teacher shortage before Covid. So your pouting and foot stomping is irrelevant.

Many school districts across the country DID stay open.

Most were not wealthy areas. I have an attorney husband and two kids myself. If we’d been forced back without vaccines, I would have just taken a year LOA, as would a huge chunk of my coworkers. This is why the counties didn’t force it - they knew they couldn’t staff it.

How do you explain public wealthy districts in NJ, NY and MA who did stay open? It was the wealthiest districts there that went hybrid or stayed open five mornings a week etc in the height of the pandemic, not the ones closer in to the cities that stayed close through the 2021-22 year.

They don't operate by county. Its by town. A couple elementary schools, a middle school and high school. Its not the same scale at all.

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Anonymous wrote:This is thread is wildly self righteous. As a teacher I hate to tell you that I would do the exact same thing the next time a deadly pandemic came through. I was back as soon as we could get vaccinated but wasn't going to risk my life for my work. Obviously we learned later that some measures weren't needed during Covid, but I'd much prefer being more cautious than aggressive when it comes to my life.

Seriously. I don’t see any of these folks volunteering to teach. Many of them STILL don’t go into their offices!

Teachers are vital, just like police, fire, health professionals - all of whom stayed on the job.

Then pay them? Then respect them! Then don't try to tell them how to do their jobs! Support them! Teach your kids to respect them! If they are so damn valuable, treat them as such!

My public school district pays well actually. And they are respected.

Of course, my district was also open and not remote with the exception of the spring 2020.

They showed up for the kids and that is exactly why I respect them so much. That’s not the case for many.

DP: I mean this in the bluntest way possible: I don’t care for a moment about anon parent respect. I did exactly what I would do next time. Yes, it would have been safe, but we didn’t know that In certainty at the time of the debate. And when it comes to my life, I choose certainty. I guess I’ll just have to live w/o your respect, but at least I’m living

Private schools and many public schools across the country opened and operated safely. The science just doesn’t support comments like this.

Where did I say they didn’t? I said, based on what we knew at the time, there were competing studies on risk level. I chose not to be a statistic and would do so again

That was in response to “at least I’m living.”

The data on risk was there by spring of 2020 arguably, for sure by fall of 2021, not to mention there were some districts that stayed remote even after teachers were prioritized for vaccination.

That’s fine - I’m talking about my personal choice to wait until I was vaccinated. No regrets

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Anonymous wrote:This is thread is wildly self righteous. As a teacher I hate to tell you that I would do the exact same thing the next time a deadly pandemic came through. I was back as soon as we could get vaccinated but wasn't going to risk my life for my work. Obviously we learned later that some measures weren't needed during Covid, but I'd much prefer being more cautious than aggressive when it comes to my life.

Seriously. I don’t see any of these folks volunteering to teach. Many of them STILL don’t go into their offices!

Teachers are vital, just like police, fire, health professionals - all of whom stayed on the job.

grocery store workers, Lowe's workers, ABC store workers... They all stayed on the job.

The difference between those people and teachers is teachers have college degrees and other options. We also tend to be married, most of us to non-teachers. Do you have any clue how many of us would have summarily quit if forced to go back prior to vaccines? We can easily live on my spouse’s income, as is the case edit many of my coworkers. And there isn’t some deep bench of non working teachers waiting in the wings. There was already a teacher shortage before Covid. So your pouting and foot stomping is irrelevant.

Many school districts across the country DID stay open.

Most were not wealthy areas. I have an attorney husband and two kids myself. If we’d been forced back without vaccines, I would have just taken a year LOA, as would a huge chunk of my coworkers. This is why the counties didn’t force it - they knew they couldn’t staff it.

How do you explain public wealthy districts in NJ, NY and MA who did stay open? It was the wealthiest districts there that went hybrid or stayed open five mornings a week etc in the height of the pandemic, not the ones closer in to the cities that stayed close through the 2021-22 year.

??? The wealthiest towns in those areas are barely outside the cities (NYC & Boston).

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Anonymous wrote:This is thread is wildly self righteous. As a teacher I hate to tell you that I would do the exact same thing the next time a deadly pandemic came through. I was back as soon as we could get vaccinated but wasn't going to risk my life for my work. Obviously we learned later that some measures weren't needed during Covid, but I'd much prefer being more cautious than aggressive when it comes to my life.

Seriously. I don’t see any of these folks volunteering to teach. Many of them STILL don’t go into their offices!

Teachers are vital, just like police, fire, health professionals - all of whom stayed on the job.

Then pay them? Then respect them! Then don't try to tell them how to do their jobs! Support them! Teach your kids to respect them! If they are so damn valuable, treat them as such!

My public school district pays well actually. And they are respected.

Of course, my district was also open and not remote with the exception of the spring 2020.

They showed up for the kids and that is exactly why I respect them so much. That’s not the case for many.

DP: I mean this in the bluntest way possible: I don’t care for a moment about anon parent respect. I did exactly what I would do next time. Yes, it would have been safe, but we didn’t know that In certainty at the time of the debate. And when it comes to my life, I choose certainty. I guess I’ll just have to live w/o your respect, but at least I’m living

Private schools and many public schools across the country opened and operated safely. The science just doesn’t support comments like this.

Where did I say they didn’t? I said, based on what we knew at the time, there were competing studies on risk level. I chose not to be a statistic and would do so again

That was in response to “at least I’m living.”

The data on risk was there by spring of 2020 arguably, for sure by fall of 2021, not to mention there were some districts that stayed remote even after teachers were prioritized for vaccination.

That’s fine - I’m talking about my personal choice to wait until I was vaccinated. No regrets

+1. I know plenty of people who wouldn’t even set foot in a grocery store even after being vaccinated. Even now feds are pitching a massive tantrum on the thread about returning to the office, saying they will quit if they have to actually go in. So spare me the lecture.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid did well.

Online school was not ideal but fine. Actually, it was nice not to have the daily grind and to eat lunch together in the yard.

The poster blaming unions is a nut. Private schools closed as well and no unions are involved. It’s crazy teachers don’t want to die, huh? Really easy to judge from your white collar work from home job…

And that's the thing. How "nice" would it have been if you had a job where you had to show up in person?

Exactly! My husband and I had to be at work in person. We hemorrhaged money on childcare and still couldn’t cover all our work hours. And then there were the elementary schoolers in my kids’ classes who were left home alone all day or with siblings. The privileged work from home class is clueless about how other people were struggling. And they are still the ones insisting that everyone wear masks all day while they sit at home or in their private offices, unmasked.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so mad at these Democrats for closing schools for so long. I want to hear one of them admit it was a mistake and say sorry. Here in ultra liberal MOCO, its radio silence on school closures - almost like it never happened. I will not be voting for a single incumbent.

It's not about school closure. It's about failure to make schools safe as they could have been. They didn't

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What if kids and teachers died in a critical amount? Most teachers would've quit had schools opened, so,
get over it. Sorry, there's no tragedy here the way you think.

It was plan B, people.

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A lot of kids did well virtually.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of kids did well virtually.

Is there statistical proof of this? We have lots of data showing how poorly kids did.