LuLaRich - Amazon docu series about LuLaRoe

[Anonymous]

Presumably your kids aren't given wet, moldy, or stinky cookies and, when they complain and want a refund or exchange for goods they can actually sell, they aren't given the run around or had the return policy changed despite their contracts.

That was one of the weirdest things and really seemed to start the downfall. I mean Jesus, people, don’t be so cheap and disorganized that you can’t even store your inventory INSIDE.

Also out of the entire doc I saw one thing I would wear - there was a shirt in one of the FB lives they showed with skinny blue and green stripes that would be cute with jeans. Nothing else. I knew about these from my friend’s GF who was in her 20s in Brooklyn of all places. They had a weekend away at our house and she had leggings with bananas wearing sunglasses on them and I was like WTF. It’s clear to me that the prints were weird to be a conversation starter so you could recruit other moms at the playground. Friend’s GF never sold LLR but she moved back home to Michigan during the pandemic and sells in the sex toy MLM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My sis in law has fallen for a few of these (not LLR but probably because their startup was unusually high).

She was married to a guy in the military (he got out) and was the primary earner. They live in a conservative area so there's this constant pressure on women to stay home with their kids. But at least my ex BIL was never really stable in a job so my SIL was always the primary earner and didn't have the option to stay at home. She never got too deep into these but you can see why some women do.

MLMs target women with this guilt and pressure to stay at home. They sell them on this image of a lifestyle of a stay at home.mom who can still support their family and have the stuff they want for their kids but can't afford right now.

They also put out cult messages. Anyone who doesn't support your "business" doesn't support you and should be dropped. And if it's not working you're not trying hard enough so buy more and invest more. At some point sunk cost fallacy comes into play.

The truth is when you look at the stats 99% of people who do these lose money, pretty much across the board in every MLM.

It's very predatory and plays on the working mom guilt or financial pressure these SAHM feel in military or more conservative communities. They're huge in Utah, for instance.

Great and accurate post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My sis in law has fallen for a few of these (not LLR but probably because their startup was unusually high).

She was married to a guy in the military (he got out) and was the primary earner. They live in a conservative area so there's this constant pressure on women to stay home with their kids. But at least my ex BIL was never really stable in a job so my SIL was always the primary earner and didn't have the option to stay at home. She never got too deep into these but you can see why some women do.

MLMs target women with this guilt and pressure to stay at home. They sell them on this image of a lifestyle of a stay at home.mom who can still support their family and have the stuff they want for their kids but can't afford right now.

They also put out cult messages. Anyone who doesn't support your "business" doesn't support you and should be dropped. And if it's not working you're not trying hard enough so buy more and invest more. At some point sunk cost fallacy comes into play.

The truth is when you look at the stats 99% of people who do these lose money, pretty much across the board in every MLM.

It's very predatory and plays on the working mom guilt or financial pressure these SAHM feel in military or more conservative communities. They're huge in Utah, for instance.

Great and accurate post.

PS:

This is the part you see when these groups find a discussion about MLMs on a forum like this:

"Such a a shame you don't support other women!"
"Why can't you support your friends? Don't you love them?"

That's not support, though. When your friend is in a hole, you don't dig them in deeper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My sis in law has fallen for a few of these (not LLR but probably because their startup was unusually high).

She was married to a guy in the military (he got out) and was the primary earner. They live in a conservative area so there's this constant pressure on women to stay home with their kids. But at least my ex BIL was never really stable in a job so my SIL was always the primary earner and didn't have the option to stay at home. She never got too deep into these but you can see why some women do.

MLMs target women with this guilt and pressure to stay at home. They sell them on this image of a lifestyle of a stay at home.mom who can still support their family and have the stuff they want for their kids but can't afford right now.

They also put out cult messages. Anyone who doesn't support your "business" doesn't support you and should be dropped. And if it's not working you're not trying hard enough so buy more and invest more. At some point sunk cost fallacy comes into play.

The truth is when you look at the stats 99% of people who do these lose money, pretty much across the board in every MLM.

It's very predatory and plays on the working mom guilt or financial pressure these SAHM feel in military or more conservative communities. They're huge in Utah, for instance.

Great and accurate post.

PS:

This is the part you see when these groups find a discussion about MLMs on a forum like this:

"Such a a shame you don't support other women!"
"Why can't you support your friends? Don't you love them?"

That's not support, though. When your friend is in a hole, you don't dig them in deeper.

^ Exactly! It is the economic equivalent of telling your friend who can’t sing to go audition for American Idol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Loved this series and thank you to OP who recommended it!

I couldn't believe the particularly sinister "retire your husband" detail. The company truly wanted the family dependent on them so they would have to go deeper and deeper. That is just pure evil.

I also couldn't believe the Tijuana weight loss clinic detail?!?!?!? OMG that was disturbing. And clearly Deanna or whoever the main LuLaRoe founder was gained all of the weight back.

Is that evil or the guiding principle of most sales organizations where men dominate? Most partners at my firm (men) are thrilled to have the stay at home wife. Either they’re stay at home wives, sometimes without kids, or they have high-powered careers. Partners go to these lavish boondoggles, partner meetings, annual retreats …. maybe a touch classier than LuLaRoe but the exact same paradigm. LuLaRoe is selling the same ideal; you only need one income to live very, very well.

Meh, what you are describing is very different. At your "firm" - people get there because they are educated and know the drill. They go in with their eyes open. It's not predatory. I don't feel sorry for anyone who lives a terrible life for the golden handcuffs and they aren't being duped. Most are workaholics and alcoholics who want to numb themselves and throw themselves into work and earning money as an escape. LaLaRoe is predatory - they convinced families they could actually make money and make a living off this crap. Most of these women are not educated and did not go in with eyes open.

[Anonymous]

Is Lularoe still around?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Such a shame people are calling it a cult or a scheme. It helped a significant number of women be able to support their families and make some money for themselves.

Significant? No. VERY few women made this kind of money. And any they did make was off the backs of other women.

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Anonymous wrote:I could have watched an episode of just the dude who worked for them for 14 months and wanted to watch the IRS takedown from a nearby patio sipping vodka and cran. 😄

Yes! Love him! Unintentionally hilarious!

And he quoted a Star Trek commander! And he’ll NEVER listen to Kelly Clarkson again. Ever.

That guy was the absolute best.

PP and also Becca Peter, the anti-Lularoe, Etsy seller and whistleblower came out the heroine!

Oh! And do you think the now-divorced military spouse who now lives in Washington brought about/filed THE big lawsuit vs LLR? The way the documentarian asked her about being a resident of WA and what she knows about this lawsuit?

I thought the awkwardness she portrayed was to signal that she is the litigant.

Just went to her website (not linking here, lest I be accused of spamming) but:
Why yes, we are the washi tape shop vaguely alluded to in LuLaRich!
New styles (especially Christmas and Halloween) are on the way!


And apparently she's big in the pole vaulting community?

Can anyone explain to me what all this washi tape is being used for??

Who’s the Washington girl? Watching now and can’t keep them straight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow just watching this now (I'm home sick this week). It is so disturbing!

One of the freaky things about it is that a lot of the first person accounts are just reminding me so much of a job I had years ago. Not an MLM, thank god, but a place that used a lot of these same tactics and was very controlling, manipulative, and dishonest. And also induced employees to spend a lot of time and money on "trainings" that were promised to advance them in the company but were largely a way for management to make extra money and also to further indoctrinate people into their weird culture. I'm so glad I got away from that place but watching this doc is bringing back memories. I totally get how people get drawn into this.

Especially moms with young kids. They are so right that LuLaRoe preyed on SAHMs who were looking for a way to make money and also to feel confident and useful while also enabling them to care for their kids. I have an actual job that does this for me now and is a legitimate job for a real company where I get paid directly for my time and energy, not some weird pyramid scheme. It's so hard to find jobs like this that will enable you to be more present with your kids when they are young -- it took me three years of looking and trial and error to find my current situation and I still had to get very lucky to make it happen. So I really feel for these women.

Anyway, these people are trash. Ugh. Also these clothes are so cheap and ugly! I love a comfortable pair of leggings but I do not get the love for these prints or those dumb maxi skirts. So strange.

Please get a lawyer! I don't think any job should make you pay your own money on trainings!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow just watching this now (I'm home sick this week). It is so disturbing!

One of the freaky things about it is that a lot of the first person accounts are just reminding me so much of a job I had years ago. Not an MLM, thank god, but a place that used a lot of these same tactics and was very controlling, manipulative, and dishonest. And also induced employees to spend a lot of time and money on "trainings" that were promised to advance them in the company but were largely a way for management to make extra money and also to further indoctrinate people into their weird culture. I'm so glad I got away from that place but watching this doc is bringing back memories. I totally get how people get drawn into this.

Especially moms with young kids. They are so right that LuLaRoe preyed on SAHMs who were looking for a way to make money and also to feel confident and useful while also enabling them to care for their kids. I have an actual job that does this for me now and is a legitimate job for a real company where I get paid directly for my time and energy, not some weird pyramid scheme. It's so hard to find jobs like this that will enable you to be more present with your kids when they are young -- it took me three years of looking and trial and error to find my current situation and I still had to get very lucky to make it happen. So I really feel for these women.

Anyway, these people are trash. Ugh. Also these clothes are so cheap and ugly! I love a comfortable pair of leggings but I do not get the love for these prints or those dumb maxi skirts. So strange.

Please get a lawyer! I don't think any job should make you pay your own money on trainings!!!

+1. No real company would make you pay for your own training.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow just watching this now (I'm home sick this week). It is so disturbing!


+1. No real company would make you pay for your own training.

Ha! Are you out of your mind? Why do you think the nation is drowning in student debt? Instead of paid apprenticeships we have A.A. And B.S. degrees, and “certifications” required for nearly every profession. Waaaaaake uuuuuuup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow just watching this now (I'm home sick this week). It is so disturbing!


+1. No real company would make you pay for your own training.

Ha! Are you out of your mind? Why do you think the nation is drowning in student debt? Instead of paid apprenticeships we have A.A. And B.S. degrees, and “certifications” required for nearly every profession. Waaaaaake uuuuuuup.

https://work.chron.com/can-employers-charge-employees-training-24509.html

It's illegal in many states. I wish PP had said the state.

And either way, the employer MUST pay for every minute that you are at the training. It cannot be free work.

That is not the same as a job requirement BEFORE you get the job where you can get a BA or a MBA but use it at ANY job. If it is job specific certification that you can only use for that company, it is a pyramid scheme!

[Anonymous]

I am dying to watch this, but unfortunately I only have Netflix at the moment.

Do you think it will move to Netflix after awhile?

I have always disliked LLR.
Not only for what MLMs do for women, but the designs/patterns on their clothing was always so ugly.
And all of their clothing (in my opinion) had a cheap, homemade look to them.

I imagine that kids loved the colorful mess of colors - I am sure many loved the Disney-inspired wear, but overall their adult leggings, dresses + blouses looked just cheap and poorly designed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am dying to watch this, but unfortunately I only have Netflix at the moment.

Do you think it will move to Netflix after awhile?

I have always disliked LLR.
Not only for what MLMs do for women, but the designs/patterns on their clothing was always so ugly.
And all of their clothing (in my opinion) had a cheap, homemade look to them.

I imagine that kids loved the colorful mess of colors - I am sure many loved the Disney-inspired wear, but overall their adult leggings, dresses + blouses looked just cheap and poorly designed.

I think it's am amazon prodiction so I don't think it will move to netflix.