CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

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So CV can survive in the air for 3 hours??

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Okay so look, the virus may have come from China so that’s bad but they also gave us TikTok so at least all the teenagers will have something to do while they’re social distancing.

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Anonymous wrote:So CV can survive in the air for 3 hours??

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487110-tests-indicate-coronavirus-can-survive-in-the-air%3famp

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Anonymous wrote:A ray of hope for the US, our high number of critical care beds.

Lol, I wish.

That’s not even close to remotely accurate.

See: https://data.oecd.org/healtheqt/hospital-beds.htm

That’s a different metric. Your numbers show hospital beds per thousand. The chart shows critical care beds (which is what matters most now) per 100,000. I’ve seen the same numbers cited by multiple sources.

There are a total of 46,500 ICU beds in this country. Total, not currently empty. If 30% of americans get the virus then by current estimates that means 5 million will need intensive care.

According to this, the number is 94,000+. And the point of social distancing is to spread out the infection curve, so everyone who needs to go to ICU doesn’t do it all at the same time. Most Doctors don’t really want to say this out loud, but we’re not going to stop this virus, and it’s not really a good idea to try. People have to come out of quarantine eventually, and the virus will just explode again. We need to slow it down, to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, but we’ve got to build up herd immunity, and right now, the only way is for “some” people to get the virus.

You're right about 94k i just looked it up. Math is still terrible and I'm very unsure what you're saying with your last point. Should we send out a first wave of people to become infected?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why more states aren’t cancelling school. Michigan and Ohio have for the next few weeks and they don’t have many cases (12 and 5). Why aren’t Washington state, Oregon, California, and those states with much higher numbers doing the same?

Because school is childcare and the government hasn’t decided yet whether to pay parents to stay home.
China, Japan, countries with effective social distancing measures are paying people a basic income during this time.
If school closure doesn’t mean parents stop working it is much less effective as a social distancing policy.
Also now you have made people work and care for kids at the same time.
More stress, what will that do to the immune system?

Our system is sadly unprepared to deal with this.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-military-brought-coronavirus-to-wuhan-chinese-diplomat-claims/ar-BB117L5m

US military brought coronavirus to Wuhan, Chinese diplomat claims

Well Spanish Flu did start in Kansas.

But this is probably tit for tat.

Why doesn’t the Spanish flu have another name like Clovid-#.

From Wikipedia:

To maintain morale, wartime censors minimized early reports of illness and mortality in Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States. Papers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain (such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII). These stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit, giving rise to the pandemic's nickname, "Spanish flu".

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Anonymous wrote:A ray of hope for the US, our high number of critical care beds.

Lol, I wish.

That’s not even close to remotely accurate.

See: https://data.oecd.org/healtheqt/hospital-beds.htm

That’s a different metric. Your numbers show hospital beds per thousand. The chart shows critical care beds (which is what matters most now) per 100,000. I’ve seen the same numbers cited by multiple sources.

There are a total of 46,500 ICU beds in this country. Total, not currently empty. If 30% of americans get the virus then by current estimates that means 5 million will need intensive care.

According to this, the number is 94,000+. And the point of social distancing is to spread out the infection curve, so everyone who needs to go to ICU doesn’t do it all at the same time. Most Doctors don’t really want to say this out loud, but we’re not going to stop this virus, and it’s not really a good idea to try. People have to come out of quarantine eventually, and the virus will just explode again. We need to slow it down, to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, but we’ve got to build up herd immunity, and right now, the only way is for “some” people to get the virus.

You're right about 94k i just looked it up. Math is still terrible and I'm very unsure what you're saying with your last point. Should we send out a first wave of people to become infected?

Sort of. If it is going to be at least a year before a vaccine is available, we need a certain number of people to get it and build up immunity, just not everyone at once. If we take precautions, we can “flatten the curve,” and can treat everyone who needs it. If we aren’t going to eliminate the virus. We didn’t eliminate the 1918 influenza, we just built up a certain amount — but not complete— of herd immunity, with the help of vaccines.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why more states aren’t cancelling school. Michigan and Ohio have for the next few weeks and they don’t have many cases (12 and 5). Why aren’t Washington state, Oregon, California, and those states with much higher numbers doing the same?

Michigan officials may be working on the assumption that they have a particularly large number of untested CV cases because of the auto industry. Wuhan is the center of auto parts manufacturing. There is a ton of travel by executives in auto industry-related businesses between the two countries. My brother is one of them, and said they've been teleworking for a while now. It sounds like they've maybe been a little ahead of everyone else is realizing the need for social distancing.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this isn't helpful, but maybe if I vent here, I will feel better.

Is anyone else mad at China? All this death and suffering because of unsanitary markets that should have been shut down after SARS. Plus initial government dishonesty.

Just seems so unnecessary .

I am.

Omg me too. F^ck China and their dirty meat markets.

Yeah DH and I were just talking about this. I’m not upset with the Chinese people. If anything, I feel bad for them. I’m so angry at the awful Chinese government. They knew these markets were a breeding ground for new viruses and did nothing to regulate or shut them down even though we’ve had close calls before. And they weren’t immediately honest with the rest of the world causing us to lose precious time preparing elsewhere. Once this is all over, I hope the rest of the world demands they become a better global citizen, and frankly we need to stop relying on them for the import of so many goods. Sure, we’ve gotten a lot of things for cheap, but it comes at the expense of a vulnerable supply chain for important things like medicines.

TRUE!

SO TRUE..

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why more states aren’t cancelling school. Michigan and Ohio have for the next few weeks and they don’t have many cases (12 and 5). Why aren’t Washington state, Oregon, California, and those states with much higher numbers doing the same?

Michigan officials may be working on the assumption that they have a particularly large number of untested CV cases because of the auto industry. Wuhan is the center of auto parts manufacturing. There is a ton of travel by executives in auto industry-related businesses between the two countries. My brother is one of them, and said they've been teleworking for a while now. It sounds like they've maybe been a little ahead of everyone else is realizing the need for social distancing.

And aware of the fact that the testing numbers mean sh!t given how few tests the US has been able to administer. Don't go by the official numbers. You need to multiply that by large factors in order to get anywhere near an accurate assessment of the spread of CV.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this isn't helpful, but maybe if I vent here, I will feel better.

Is anyone else mad at China? All this death and suffering because of unsanitary markets that should have been shut down after SARS. Plus initial government dishonesty.

Just seems so unnecessary .

I am.

Omg me too. F^ck China and their dirty meat markets.

Yeah DH and I were just talking about this. I’m not upset with the Chinese people. If anything, I feel bad for them. I’m so angry at the awful Chinese government. They knew these markets were a breeding ground for new viruses and did nothing to regulate or shut them down even though we’ve had close calls before. And they weren’t immediately honest with the rest of the world causing us to lose precious time preparing elsewhere. Once this is all over, I hope the rest of the world demands they become a better global citizen, and frankly we need to stop relying on them for the import of so many goods. Sure, we’ve gotten a lot of things for cheap, but it comes at the expense of a vulnerable supply chain for important things like medicines.

TRUE!

If this isn’t proof that we need to get back to manufacturing IN the US and stop importing so much China crap, I don’t know what is. It would also produce more jobs, offer retirement plans and paid time off. Oh the good ole days.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe the U.K. still has normal international travel, isn’t banning large gatherings, and has stopped testing unless you are severely ill in the hospital. WTH!!!

The virus is there stopping travel won’t stop the virus.

We are seeing clusters here in the US right now. You can say were are not testing enough, but the reality is, if that were the case, our hospitals across the country would overflowing with very sick and dying people, which means if it IS widespread, then it’s mild for most people, i.e. does not require hospitalization. That’s a very good thing. Stopping travel helps to stop new clusters as it’s quite clear per the CDC that it got here that way.

I agree the UK should be encouraging more social isolation. I told my older kids that their older brother is at risk, so they must be more careful about where/who they socialize. I put up a sanitation station by the main entrance so they can sanitize their hands BEFORE entering the house, cutting down on sanitation freakouts INSIDE the house. Non-ill friends can come in so long as they sanitize, but not in large groups. Go take a walk with your friends - the weather is getting nice! Precautions not complete isolation. My husband and I will practice a more austere form of social isolation, because we are in our late 50s.

My kid got pissed at me yesterday because he had to make two trips into his dorm room to get the things he is taking home. I didn’t want to go into the dorms, as it was a large group of potential carriers. My response to him was essentially GFY and get your stuff

I like you.

What is your outside sanitation station? Sanitizer?

[Anonymous]

End of financial safe havens?

Treasury market in turmoil and gold has had its worst week in a decade.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-military-brought-coronavirus-to-wuhan-chinese-diplomat-claims/ar-BB117L5m

US military brought coronavirus to Wuhan, Chinese diplomat claims

Well Spanish Flu did start in Kansas.

But this is probably tit for tat.

PR game- https://thehill.com/policy/international/487308-china-pushing-conspiracy-theory-us-army-bringing-coronavirus-wuhan?amp

China, pushing conspiracy theory, accuses US Army of bringing coronavirus to Wuhan

Yup. I said this days ago. After a statement like this, you’d think that the media would stop going after the President and realize where the real issues are. Nope.

The President, who stood next to a known person with Coronavirus and refuses testing?
The President who called this a hoax?
The President who told us it would magically disappear?

No matter anyone’s political opinion, he has lied to the country and caused us to be where we are today. Statements made by China can’t fix, explain or forgive any of The President’s actions/inactions.

Dr. Fauci has been clear the US failed it’s handling of this. That falls directly on our leadership.

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Anonymous wrote:Celebrities are getting coronavirus tests faster than everyone else

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/celebrities-are-getting-coronavirus-tests-faster-than-everyone-else/ar-BB1198o2?li=BBnbfcL

I’m shocked.