Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

DP here and yes, this is just what I was thinking. You can even see in his timeline that Stephanie Jones was actively trying to dissuade them from hiring Nathan because she's "shady" and that they vetted multiple other teams.

No one is saying he shouldn't have hired PR. It's super weird he hired that PR team who is best known for what they did to Amber Heard, when they absolutely had other options who would have done a good job lifting him up and changing the narrative on him. Melissa Nathan is far from the only effective crisis manager in the game. But she is one of the ones with the biggest rep for being unscrupulous!

As crazy as Jones is she was right that Nathan should've never been hired. Her tactics are not the industry norm and her peer look down upon them. I am happy this will forever be attached to their names.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether when all of this is over whether Baldoni will go back to a public facing feminist role, or whether he will naturally make a hard right turn that sometimes happens when the feminism was fake to begin with. Kind of like Milo Yannapolis, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand and their ilk — initially gained attention for being male feminists and then sh!t got real.

Maybe this has changed his view on feminism. He’s gotten totally screwed over with false allegations.

Alternatively, maybe Big Man got called on some of his sexist bullish!t and harassment such as insisting on sex scenes and nudity from a costar who hadn’t signed up for that, and maybe mentally he just couldn’t cope with that when he had built his entire public image on being a male feminist who supported women. Seems like that story was coming crashing down. So I wonder whether he will try to rebuild it if he sincerely believes that way, or if he will go the other way if it was never really heartfelt but kinda just a prop from the start to get attention.

Justin Baldoni is currently winning the PR war because it looks like he worked for years on the film and then Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds tried to take over his project. Blake and Ryan look like bullies as a result and they are taking a bigger hit reputation wise. Ryan, especially, comes off like a control freak.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

DP here and yes, this is just what I was thinking. You can even see in his timeline that Stephanie Jones was actively trying to dissuade them from hiring Nathan because she's "shady" and that they vetted multiple other teams.

No one is saying he shouldn't have hired PR. It's super weird he hired that PR team who is best known for what they did to Amber Heard, when they absolutely had other options who would have done a good job lifting him up and changing the narrative on him. Melissa Nathan is far from the only effective crisis manager in the game. But she is one of the ones with the biggest rep for being unscrupulous!

As crazy as Jones is she was right that Nathan should've never been hired. Her tactics are not the industry norm and her peer look down upon them. I am happy this will forever be attached to their names.

Candace Owens is a Holocaust-denying antisemite who believes women who don't marry and have children have a mental illness. She has been banned by multiple countries for being such a toxic nut job.

If you cannot make your point about this Hollywood conflict without citing actual Nazis, then you need to go sit in a corner and think about what you've done before weighing in again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether when all of this is over whether Baldoni will go back to a public facing feminist role, or whether he will naturally make a hard right turn that sometimes happens when the feminism was fake to begin with. Kind of like Milo Yannapolis, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand and their ilk — initially gained attention for being male feminists and then sh!t got real.

Maybe this has changed his view on feminism. He’s gotten totally screwed over with false allegations.

Alternatively, maybe Big Man got called on some of his sexist bullish!t and harassment such as insisting on sex scenes and nudity from a costar who hadn’t signed up for that, and maybe mentally he just couldn’t cope with that when he had built his entire public image on being a male feminist who supported women. Seems like that story was coming crashing down. So I wonder whether he will try to rebuild it if he sincerely believes that way, or if he will go the other way if it was never really heartfelt but kinda just a prop from the start to get attention.

Justin Baldoni is currently winning the PR war because it looks like he worked for years on the film and then Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds tried to take over his project. Blake and Ryan look like bullies as a result and they are taking a bigger hit reputation wise. Ryan, especially, comes off like a control freak.

Or just maybe he is winning part of the PR war because he hired people to lie and plant stories on his behalf, same way Johnny Depp destroyed Heard. Maybe Baldoni is actually an anxious, indecisive fake feminist who was in way over his head and never should have been both directing in and starring in a film requiring him to handle high pressure situations that he didn’t have enough brainpower or emotional intelligence to deal with. That’s a possibility, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

DP here and yes, this is just what I was thinking. You can even see in his timeline that Stephanie Jones was actively trying to dissuade them from hiring Nathan because she's "shady" and that they vetted multiple other teams.

No one is saying he shouldn't have hired PR. It's super weird he hired that PR team who is best known for what they did to Amber Heard, when they absolutely had other options who would have done a good job lifting him up and changing the narrative on him. Melissa Nathan is far from the only effective crisis manager in the game. But she is one of the ones with the biggest rep for being unscrupulous!

As crazy as Jones is she was right that Nathan should've never been hired. Her tactics are not the industry norm and her peer look down upon them. I am happy this will forever be attached to their names.

Candace Owens is a Holocaust-denying antisemite who believes women who don't marry and have children have a mental illness. She has been banned by multiple countries for being such a toxic nut job.

If you cannot make your point about this Hollywood conflict without citing actual Nazis, then you need to go sit in a corner and think about what you've done before weighing in again.

I think you misunderstood PP’s point. They were talking about Stephanie Jones, not Candace Owen’s, and they were agreeing with you. (Sorry, PP, I agree with you about Jones on Nathan.)

[Anonymous]

He’s winning everything because he has RECEIPTS that have all been made public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

DP here and yes, this is just what I was thinking. You can even see in his timeline that Stephanie Jones was actively trying to dissuade them from hiring Nathan because she's "shady" and that they vetted multiple other teams.

No one is saying he shouldn't have hired PR. It's super weird he hired that PR team who is best known for what they did to Amber Heard, when they absolutely had other options who would have done a good job lifting him up and changing the narrative on him. Melissa Nathan is far from the only effective crisis manager in the game. But she is one of the ones with the biggest rep for being unscrupulous!

As crazy as Jones is she was right that Nathan should've never been hired. Her tactics are not the industry norm and her peer look down upon them. I am happy this will forever be attached to their names.

Candace Owens is a Holocaust-denying antisemite who believes women who don't marry and have children have a mental illness. She has been banned by multiple countries for being such a toxic nut job.

If you cannot make your point about this Hollywood conflict without citing actual Nazis, then you need to go sit in a corner and think about what you've done before weighing in again.

Woops, you are right -- I was replying to the wrong post!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He’s winning everything because he has RECEIPTS that have all been made public.

Yes he’s definitely winning because look at all the new work he’s getting and projects that aren’t getting put on hold and people who worked on the IEWU and on his feminism podcast who are coming forward to defend him. Winning! as fellow male feminist Charlie Sheen would say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He’s winning everything because he has RECEIPTS that have all been made public.

Yes he’s definitely winning because look at all the new work he’s getting and projects that aren’t getting put on hold and people who worked on the IEWU and on his feminism podcast who are coming forward to defend him. Winning! as fellow male feminist Charlie Sheen would say.

Have you read the numerous texts, read the numerous docs, watched the video he released? You sound really uneducated on the topic at hand.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.

But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.

It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.

No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.

I'm a woman and would have no issue with this whatsoever. He's clearly trying to not upset her by talking about her weight with her directly.

Well I'm a former employment lawyer and I would advise against it because it is precisely it's precisely the kind of thing that upsets people and exposes you to litigation. My advice to any employer or professional would be that if there is a touchy topic like this, you should (1) see if you can solve the problem without obtaining the personal information at all, or if that is not possible (2) go through a system where it is not you, personally, asking the question, but it's going through some kind de-personalized process that you can stay at arms length from. Like in this case I would have suggested hiring a stunt coordinator to choreograph the lift and work separately with both actors, and the stunt coordinator could have had Lively directly disclose her weight in a confidential way and then the coordinator can make an assessment about the safety of the lift (or change it to make it safer) based on that info, without ever disclosing the sensitive info.

Asking behind her back was a dumb move and he should have recognized that. I have seen managers do similar things regarding personal info like an employees physical or mental health condition, family status, etc., and it can go south very quickly.

Oh please. This is part of her job. the same as having to know her dress size for costuming.

Yes but the way you find out an actor's size for costumes is not by going behind their back to their stylist and asking like it's some shameful secret that you need to get on the sly.

You call the actor in for a fitting and make sure everyone involved is professional and discrete. The end.

Baldoni should have just had a stunt coordinator work with them if he was worried about it. TBH it sounds like the limiting factor here was Baldoni's injury and back issues, not Lively's weight. He could have just talked to his doctor and ballparked her weight without asking anyone and gotten the advice he needed.

That’s the equivalent of saying the costume department shouldn’t know her size. come on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.

But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.

It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.

No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.

I'm a woman and would have no issue with this whatsoever. He's clearly trying to not upset her by talking about her weight with her directly.

Well I'm a former employment lawyer and I would advise against it because it is precisely it's precisely the kind of thing that upsets people and exposes you to litigation. My advice to any employer or professional would be that if there is a touchy topic like this, you should (1) see if you can solve the problem without obtaining the personal information at all, or if that is not possible (2) go through a system where it is not you, personally, asking the question, but it's going through some kind de-personalized process that you can stay at arms length from. Like in this case I would have suggested hiring a stunt coordinator to choreograph the lift and work separately with both actors, and the stunt coordinator could have had Lively directly disclose her weight in a confidential way and then the coordinator can make an assessment about the safety of the lift (or change it to make it safer) based on that info, without ever disclosing the sensitive info.

Asking behind her back was a dumb move and he should have recognized that. I have seen managers do similar things regarding personal info like an employees physical or mental health condition, family status, etc., and it can go south very quickly.

Oh please. This is part of her job. the same as having to know her dress size for costuming.

Yes but the way you find out an actor's size for costumes is not by going behind their back to their stylist and asking like it's some shameful secret that you need to get on the sly.

You call the actor in for a fitting and make sure everyone involved is professional and discrete. The end.

Baldoni should have just had a stunt coordinator work with them if he was worried about it. TBH it sounds like the limiting factor here was Baldoni's injury and back issues, not Lively's weight. He could have just talked to his doctor and ballparked her weight without asking anyone and gotten the advice he needed.

That’s the equivalent of saying the costume department shouldn’t know her size. come on.

Costume departments don't find out actors' sizes by calling their trainers. They have then come to fittings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are crying over a back injury and then have to lift someone up and have MEDICAL restrictions it is completely appropriate to ask for someone’s weight.

But asking her trainer behind her back was very much the wrong way to go about it. Like just think.

He should have worked with a stunt coordinator who could have figured out if it was safe for him to lift her without that kind invasion of privacy, or just reworked the scene so he didn't lift her. He was the director, not just an actor on the movie, so the solutions available to him were actually pretty extensive.

To be clear, I don't think asking her trainer about her weight was harassment. I just think it was an incredibly stupid way to handle that situation.

It was the perfect way, because he did not want to upset Blake by asking her directly. But go off on one of your four paragraph diatribes, please.

No and I say this trying to be helpful: if you are ever in a situation where you have to lift a woman (or anyone actually) for work and you are unsure if you can do so safely, the answer is never "I will go and ask this person's trainer/physician/dietician/assistant what they weigh." It's not a smart way to handle that, it comes off as very invasive. A lot of people are self-conscious about their weight and would be very uncomfortable having it discussed in that way.

I'm a woman and would have no issue with this whatsoever. He's clearly trying to not upset her by talking about her weight with her directly.

Well I'm a former employment lawyer and I would advise against it because it is precisely it's precisely the kind of thing that upsets people and exposes you to litigation. My advice to any employer or professional would be that if there is a touchy topic like this, you should (1) see if you can solve the problem without obtaining the personal information at all, or if that is not possible (2) go through a system where it is not you, personally, asking the question, but it's going through some kind de-personalized process that you can stay at arms length from. Like in this case I would have suggested hiring a stunt coordinator to choreograph the lift and work separately with both actors, and the stunt coordinator could have had Lively directly disclose her weight in a confidential way and then the coordinator can make an assessment about the safety of the lift (or change it to make it safer) based on that info, without ever disclosing the sensitive info.

Asking behind her back was a dumb move and he should have recognized that. I have seen managers do similar things regarding personal info like an employees physical or mental health condition, family status, etc., and it can go south very quickly.

Oh please. This is part of her job. the same as having to know her dress size for costuming.

Yes but the way you find out an actor's size for costumes is not by going behind their back to their stylist and asking like it's some shameful secret that you need to get on the sly.

You call the actor in for a fitting and make sure everyone involved is professional and discrete. The end.

Baldoni should have just had a stunt coordinator work with them if he was worried about it. TBH it sounds like the limiting factor here was Baldoni's injury and back issues, not Lively's weight. He could have just talked to his doctor and ballparked her weight without asking anyone and gotten the advice he needed.

That’s the equivalent of saying the costume department shouldn’t know her size. come on.

Costume departments don't find out actors' sizes by calling their trainers. They have then come to fittings.

Blake insisted on using her own clothes hence the subsequent public mocking which infuriated her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure that you’re the only person in here who is “outraged” — I guess that anyone might possibly disagree with you about what a great feminist and good guy Baldoni is. This is a thread to discuss that, not just for a bunch of people to talk about how overweight Lively was.

There are so very many different PR firms. Absolutely no need to hire the very same one that had destroyed Heard. My guess is he knew precisely what he was doing.

DP here and yes, this is just what I was thinking. You can even see in his timeline that Stephanie Jones was actively trying to dissuade them from hiring Nathan because she's "shady" and that they vetted multiple other teams.

No one is saying he shouldn't have hired PR. It's super weird he hired that PR team who is best known for what they did to Amber Heard, when they absolutely had other options who would have done a good job lifting him up and changing the narrative on him. Melissa Nathan is far from the only effective crisis manager in the game. But she is one of the ones with the biggest rep for being unscrupulous!

As crazy as Jones is she was right that Nathan should've never been hired. Her tactics are not the industry norm and her peer look down upon them. I am happy this will forever be attached to their names.

Candace Owens is a Holocaust-denying antisemite who believes women who don't marry and have children have a mental illness. She has been banned by multiple countries for being such a toxic nut job.

If you cannot make your point about this Hollywood conflict without citing actual Nazis, then you need to go sit in a corner and think about what you've done before weighing in again.

Best comment ever!

[Anonymous]

This case screams “jealous husband” — one of the most common motives we’ve encountered in workplace harassment lawsuits.

As it proceeds, we’re particularly eager to hear how Lively and Reynolds describe their past conversations about the filming, and just how honest Lively was about her flirtatious behavior with a man her husband barely knew.

Educate yourself on actual attorney opinions.

https://nypost.com/2025/02/06/opinion/were-sex-harassment-lawyers-justin-baldonis-evidence-sinks-blake-livelys-charges/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He’s winning everything because he has RECEIPTS that have all been made public.

Yes he’s definitely winning because look at all the new work he’s getting and projects that aren’t getting put on hold and people who worked on the IEWU and on his feminism podcast who are coming forward to defend him. Winning! as fellow male feminist Charlie Sheen would say.

Have you read the numerous texts, read the numerous docs, watched the video he released? You sound really uneducated on the topic at hand.

Because I disagree with you? Tell me what I have said above that is wrong. I haven’t seen anyone from the IEWU cast coming forward to say, actually, no Baldoni’s behavior on set was fine. Unless you exclude his wife or his production company I guess. I saw a comment from another female cast member who said that unless she was actually acting in a scene with him directly she couldn’t deal with Baldoni at all. I watched the video he released and I see him continuing to try to kiss and be more intimate with Lively in a scene that she thought was supposed to be just dancing and talking, not sexual overtures from him, and her repeatedly trying to get him to back tf off until she finally gets mean with a comment about his nose and he — finally — releases her. I have seen a lot of the same materials as you and somehow I just have a different view of what they mean than you do. To me, after dozens of pages of nonsense about how fat and mean and never even went to college comments about Lively, you sure seem invested in making her and her husband into nice piñatas to aim your blows on.

I saw the Bob Dylan movie today. It was amazing. Highly recommend going out and getting some perspective on life.