Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Weird, I thought the FBI thoroughly investigated Hilary about Benghazi! And emails.
Russian collusion, I thought a bunch of people connected to Trump went to jail? And just because they couldn’t pin it on Trump didn’t Mueller say “I’m not exonerating him either.”?

You’ve managed to avoid the entire point of what I am saying. The affidavit could be redacted of sensitive information but also leave behind information that would support or refute Garland’s statement that the DOJ couldn’t get the documents any other way.

Why should Trump be accommodated anymore than he has already been? His lawyers signed an affidavit saying that they don't have any more documents, when they actually did. Why should the DOJ beg and plead and negotiate any more than they already have, when the man is clearly in possession of material he should not have?

I view it this way. If it was super sensitive and he shouldn’t have had it, if he said no to producing it even one time, then get the warrant and go. If it was super sensitive then I would have expected that to have happened quickly— first couple weeks of June start to finish. But that didn’t happen. So I am left to wonder whether 1) it was really sensitive (or just bearing legacy markings), or 2) whether DOJ dragged its feet out of a lack of focus or lack of direction or lack of urgency. The Washington Post has talked about how Garland took weeks to decide whether the warrant should be executed. Why? If it was so clearly sensitive and so clear that Team Trump would not cooperate, then why all the deliberations. For me, the behavior of DOJ and Garlands telegraphs that the documents were NOT so super sensitive.

Dude. There is no such thing as “legacy markings”.

I know what you want to know—you want to know when and who tipped the FBI off. Well guess what? You’ll find out, at trial. Which is where this will go if I’m reading the room correctly.

Actually there are legacy markings. A document that was once classified can be declassified and often, paper versions with the prior mark are still around. So for example, if a presidential trip to Iraq is being planned that is classified, once it happens and the events are all known and in the past, some elements if they trip are no longer “classified” because the need to secure is past and someone somewhere has declassified them. A less exciting version is found frequently in federal procurement. Things can be considered Procurement Sensitive at one stage in an acquisition but later not anymore. But people don’t go back and re-mark every document.
Seems to me you are the dense and disconnected people who live in a fantasy world where once a document is declassified all the files (paper and electronic) magically change. Well that is Harry Potters world. And no, I don’t give a crap if someone called the FBI. If Trump had stuff he should not have had, and wouldn’t give it back, then game on. If this was just an overreaction by Garland, he will go done in history as the guy who opened the door to one party using the DOJ to silence and ruin the lives of political rivals. If trump deserves this, then fine. But if this isn’t deserved then it is the Biden justice department using its power to silence THE NUMBER ONE rival of Biden. That is what this is if Garland jumped the gun.

The inventory included highly classified documents. There is really no getting around that. They should not have been there. This is pretty open and shut. Doubt very much they would have gone forward with the search otherwise. Your concerns are noted though, concern troll.

I don’t think you are very smart. If the documents were so obviously sensitive why didn’t they take them in June. That is the question. It’s like “oooh Trump has the nuclear codes!! OMG! Let’s hustle back TWO MONTHS LATER!!!”

Why did Trump have these files? And why did his lawyer lie about not having them?

And whom did he allow access to the files? Even HE wasn't supposed to have access to them. Much less his son, son in law, and foreign guests, Republican guests at Mar a Lago. NONE of those people were authorized to see them.

If it turns out he allowed some foreigner to look at them or copy them or take them.... will your argument be "Oh, yeah they were classified, but I guess just not that important?" Is that really where you are going with this?

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Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Weird, I thought the FBI thoroughly investigated Hilary about Benghazi! And emails.
Russian collusion, I thought a bunch of people connected to Trump went to jail? And just because they couldn’t pin it on Trump didn’t Mueller say “I’m not exonerating him either.”?

You’ve managed to avoid the entire point of what I am saying. The affidavit could be redacted of sensitive information but also leave behind information that would support or refute Garland’s statement that the DOJ couldn’t get the documents any other way.

Why should Trump be accommodated anymore than he has already been? His lawyers signed an affidavit saying that they don't have any more documents, when they actually did. Why should the DOJ beg and plead and negotiate any more than they already have, when the man is clearly in possession of material he should not have?

I view it this way. If it was super sensitive and he shouldn’t have had it, if he said no to producing it even one time, then get the warrant and go. If it was super sensitive then I would have expected that to have happened quickly— first couple weeks of June start to finish. But that didn’t happen. So I am left to wonder whether 1) it was really sensitive (or just bearing legacy markings), or 2) whether DOJ dragged its feet out of a lack of focus or lack of direction or lack of urgency. The Washington Post has talked about how Garland took weeks to decide whether the warrant should be executed. Why? If it was so clearly sensitive and so clear that Team Trump would not cooperate, then why all the deliberations. For me, the behavior of DOJ and Garlands telegraphs that the documents were NOT so super sensitive.

Dude. There is no such thing as “legacy markings”.

I know what you want to know—you want to know when and who tipped the FBI off. Well guess what? You’ll find out, at trial. Which is where this will go if I’m reading the room correctly.

Actually there are legacy markings. A document that was once classified can be declassified and often, paper versions with the prior mark are still around. So for example, if a presidential trip to Iraq is being planned that is classified, once it happens and the events are all known and in the past, some elements if they trip are no longer “classified” because the need to secure is past and someone somewhere has declassified them. A less exciting version is found frequently in federal procurement. Things can be considered Procurement Sensitive at one stage in an acquisition but later not anymore. But people don’t go back and re-mark every document.
Seems to me you are the dense and disconnected people who live in a fantasy world where once a document is declassified all the files (paper and electronic) magically change. Well that is Harry Potters world. And no, I don’t give a crap if someone called the FBI. If Trump had stuff he should not have had, and wouldn’t give it back, then game on. If this was just an overreaction by Garland, he will go done in history as the guy who opened the door to one party using the DOJ to silence and ruin the lives of political rivals. If trump deserves this, then fine. But if this isn’t deserved then it is the Biden justice department using its power to silence THE NUMBER ONE rival of Biden. That is what this is if Garland jumped the gun.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Weird, I thought the FBI thoroughly investigated Hilary about Benghazi! And emails.
Russian collusion, I thought a bunch of people connected to Trump went to jail? And just because they couldn’t pin it on Trump didn’t Mueller say “I’m not exonerating him either.”?

You’ve managed to avoid the entire point of what I am saying. The affidavit could be redacted of sensitive information but also leave behind information that would support or refute Garland’s statement that the DOJ couldn’t get the documents any other way.

Why should Trump be accommodated anymore than he has already been? His lawyers signed an affidavit saying that they don't have any more documents, when they actually did. Why should the DOJ beg and plead and negotiate any more than they already have, when the man is clearly in possession of material he should not have?

I view it this way. If it was super sensitive and he shouldn’t have had it, if he said no to producing it even one time, then get the warrant and go. If it was super sensitive then I would have expected that to have happened quickly— first couple weeks of June start to finish. But that didn’t happen. So I am left to wonder whether 1) it was really sensitive (or just bearing legacy markings), or 2) whether DOJ dragged its feet out of a lack of focus or lack of direction or lack of urgency. The Washington Post has talked about how Garland took weeks to decide whether the warrant should be executed. Why? If it was so clearly sensitive and so clear that Team Trump would not cooperate, then why all the deliberations. For me, the behavior of DOJ and Garlands telegraphs that the documents were NOT so super sensitive.

You must be the most dense person ever. They took a lot of time because they knew people like you would freak out if they executed a search warrant and wanted to bend over backward to avoid having to do that. And you proved them right.

+1 There has been a lot of discussions around the fact that so many things dealing with Trump was "unprecedented" and "bad optics". A POTUS pushed to over turn our election results because he lost. There were whipsers of invoking the 25th because he basically encouraged a bunch of nutjobs to storm the Capitol, and his rhetoric lead some of his crazy followers to want to hang the VP.

Not only does it look bad for the country to indict a former POTUS, but they knew the mad mob would go nuts. And they were clearly correct. Trump's inner circle leaked the names of the FBI agents who were just doing their jobs, and now they are getting death threats.

But, why should we be surprised at that.. look at how the election volunteers got death threats from Trumpsters.

Trump is a leader of a death cult, and the cult members would gladly shoot themselves on 5th ave if he told them to. Dumba$$es.. the lot of them.

They have to take it slow because of the death cult members, which is the way Trump and his cult minions want it to go. And, if you are a member of the Trump death cult, you typically don't care much about law and order or democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Weird, I thought the FBI thoroughly investigated Hilary about Benghazi! And emails.
Russian collusion, I thought a bunch of people connected to Trump went to jail? And just because they couldn’t pin it on Trump didn’t Mueller say “I’m not exonerating him either.”?

You’ve managed to avoid the entire point of what I am saying. The affidavit could be redacted of sensitive information but also leave behind information that would support or refute Garland’s statement that the DOJ couldn’t get the documents any other way.

Why should Trump be accommodated anymore than he has already been? His lawyers signed an affidavit saying that they don't have any more documents, when they actually did. Why should the DOJ beg and plead and negotiate any more than they already have, when the man is clearly in possession of material he should not have?

I view it this way. If it was super sensitive and he shouldn’t have had it, if he said no to producing it even one time, then get the warrant and go. If it was super sensitive then I would have expected that to have happened quickly— first couple weeks of June start to finish. But that didn’t happen. So I am left to wonder whether 1) it was really sensitive (or just bearing legacy markings), or 2) whether DOJ dragged its feet out of a lack of focus or lack of direction or lack of urgency. The Washington Post has talked about how Garland took weeks to decide whether the warrant should be executed. Why? If it was so clearly sensitive and so clear that Team Trump would not cooperate, then why all the deliberations. For me, the behavior of DOJ and Garlands telegraphs that the documents were NOT so super sensitive.

FBI kicked it into high gear once they saw the surveillance video of MAL and who had access to those docs.

We've never had this happen in our country's history. This was unprecedented.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Weird, I thought the FBI thoroughly investigated Hilary about Benghazi! And emails.
Russian collusion, I thought a bunch of people connected to Trump went to jail? And just because they couldn’t pin it on Trump didn’t Mueller say “I’m not exonerating him either.”?

You’ve managed to avoid the entire point of what I am saying. The affidavit could be redacted of sensitive information but also leave behind information that would support or refute Garland’s statement that the DOJ couldn’t get the documents any other way.

Why should Trump be accommodated anymore than he has already been? His lawyers signed an affidavit saying that they don't have any more documents, when they actually did. Why should the DOJ beg and plead and negotiate any more than they already have, when the man is clearly in possession of material he should not have?

I view it this way. If it was super sensitive and he shouldn’t have had it, if he said no to producing it even one time, then get the warrant and go. If it was super sensitive then I would have expected that to have happened quickly— first couple weeks of June start to finish. But that didn’t happen. So I am left to wonder whether 1) it was really sensitive (or just bearing legacy markings), or 2) whether DOJ dragged its feet out of a lack of focus or lack of direction or lack of urgency. The Washington Post has talked about how Garland took weeks to decide whether the warrant should be executed. Why? If it was so clearly sensitive and so clear that Team Trump would not cooperate, then why all the deliberations. For me, the behavior of DOJ and Garlands telegraphs that the documents were NOT so super sensitive.

Dude. There is no such thing as “legacy markings”.

I know what you want to know—you want to know when and who tipped the FBI off. Well guess what? You’ll find out, at trial. Which is where this will go if I’m reading the room correctly.

Actually there are legacy markings. A document that was once classified can be declassified and often, paper versions with the prior mark are still around. So for example, if a presidential trip to Iraq is being planned that is classified, once it happens and the events are all known and in the past, some elements if they trip are no longer “classified” because the need to secure is past and someone somewhere has declassified them. A less exciting version is found frequently in federal procurement. Things can be considered Procurement Sensitive at one stage in an acquisition but later not anymore. But people don’t go back and re-mark every document.
Seems to me you are the dense and disconnected people who live in a fantasy world where once a document is declassified all the files (paper and electronic) magically change. Well that is Harry Potters world. And no, I don’t give a crap if someone called the FBI. If Trump had stuff he should not have had, and wouldn’t give it back, then game on. If this was just an overreaction by Garland, he will go done in history as the guy who opened the door to one party using the DOJ to silence and ruin the lives of political rivals. If trump deserves this, then fine. But if this isn’t deserved then it is the Biden justice department using its power to silence THE NUMBER ONE rival of Biden. That is what this is if Garland jumped the gun.

The inventory included highly classified documents. There is really no getting around that. They should not have been there. This is pretty open and shut. Doubt very much they would have gone forward with the search otherwise. Your concerns are noted though, concern troll.

I don’t think you are very smart. If the documents were so obviously sensitive why didn’t they take them in June. That is the question. It’s like “oooh Trump has the nuclear codes!! OMG! Let’s hustle back TWO MONTHS LATER!!!”

Why did Trump have these files? And why did his lawyer lie about not having them?

And whom did he allow access to the files? Even HE wasn't supposed to have access to them. Much less his son, son in law, and foreign guests, Republican guests at Mar a Lago. NONE of those people were authorized to see them.

If it turns out he allowed some foreigner to look at them or copy them or take them.... will your argument be "Oh, yeah they were classified, but I guess just not that important?" Is that really where you are going with this?

The PP is constructing a defense that rests on the premise that the documents recovered were not actually classified or national defense information. But the inventory says they were. He argues that if the documents were just copies of documents that had already been declassified, then it was totally proper to store them at his beach house, aka spy central. I’m not sure that holds up, and I don’t think Garland would have gone through with the search if there was a risk that the documents were just decoys. Furthermore, if that were the case, I would think he’d be in a rush to clear the air. Definitely doesn’t seem like it.

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I can’t believe we’re six years into this Trumpian nightmare and 20% of Americans have still totally and completely lost the plot. There is no defense of this, guys. None. This isn’t on Garland or anyone else for waiting, it isn’t on the FBI for executing a lawful search warrant. It’s not on the Democrats, either, somehow. It’s on the GOP. This is your monster.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Weird, I thought the FBI thoroughly investigated Hilary about Benghazi! And emails.
Russian collusion, I thought a bunch of people connected to Trump went to jail? And just because they couldn’t pin it on Trump didn’t Mueller say “I’m not exonerating him either.”?

You’ve managed to avoid the entire point of what I am saying. The affidavit could be redacted of sensitive information but also leave behind information that would support or refute Garland’s statement that the DOJ couldn’t get the documents any other way.

Why should Trump be accommodated anymore than he has already been? His lawyers signed an affidavit saying that they don't have any more documents, when they actually did. Why should the DOJ beg and plead and negotiate any more than they already have, when the man is clearly in possession of material he should not have?

I view it this way. If it was super sensitive and he shouldn’t have had it, if he said no to producing it even one time, then get the warrant and go. If it was super sensitive then I would have expected that to have happened quickly— first couple weeks of June start to finish. But that didn’t happen. So I am left to wonder whether 1) it was really sensitive (or just bearing legacy markings), or 2) whether DOJ dragged its feet out of a lack of focus or lack of direction or lack of urgency. The Washington Post has talked about how Garland took weeks to decide whether the warrant should be executed. Why? If it was so clearly sensitive and so clear that Team Trump would not cooperate, then why all the deliberations. For me, the behavior of DOJ and Garlands telegraphs that the documents were NOT so super sensitive.

Dude. There is no such thing as “legacy markings”.

I know what you want to know—you want to know when and who tipped the FBI off. Well guess what? You’ll find out, at trial. Which is where this will go if I’m reading the room correctly.

Actually there are legacy markings. A document that was once classified can be declassified and often, paper versions with the prior mark are still around. So for example, if a presidential trip to Iraq is being planned that is classified, once it happens and the events are all known and in the past, some elements if they trip are no longer “classified” because the need to secure is past and someone somewhere has declassified them. A less exciting version is found frequently in federal procurement. Things can be considered Procurement Sensitive at one stage in an acquisition but later not anymore. But people don’t go back and re-mark every document.
Seems to me you are the dense and disconnected people who live in a fantasy world where once a document is declassified all the files (paper and electronic) magically change. Well that is Harry Potters world. And no, I don’t give a crap if someone called the FBI. If Trump had stuff he should not have had, and wouldn’t give it back, then game on. If this was just an overreaction by Garland, he will go done in history as the guy who opened the door to one party using the DOJ to silence and ruin the lives of political rivals. If trump deserves this, then fine. But if this isn’t deserved then it is the Biden justice department using its power to silence THE NUMBER ONE rival of Biden. That is what this is if Garland jumped the gun.

If there are marked “legacy copies” of previously classified documents hanging around at MAL, it’s because they were stolen or mishandled when they were classified. Just saying.

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It’s interesting that so many posters seem to believe they have more expertise and better command if the facts than the USAG who spent most of his career as a federal prosecutor and federal appellate judge.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting that so many posters seem to believe they have more expertise and better command if the facts than the USAG who spent most of his career as a federal prosecutor and federal appellate judge.

Right, but the poor AG has to do his job regardless of political upheaval, while some members of the public seem to look at this only from a political stance.

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Interesting theory…

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Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Weird, I thought the FBI thoroughly investigated Hilary about Benghazi! And emails.
Russian collusion, I thought a bunch of people connected to Trump went to jail? And just because they couldn’t pin it on Trump didn’t Mueller say “I’m not exonerating him either.”?

You’ve managed to avoid the entire point of what I am saying. The affidavit could be redacted of sensitive information but also leave behind information that would support or refute Garland’s statement that the DOJ couldn’t get the documents any other way.

Why should Trump be accommodated anymore than he has already been? His lawyers signed an affidavit saying that they don't have any more documents, when they actually did. Why should the DOJ beg and plead and negotiate any more than they already have, when the man is clearly in possession of material he should not have?

I view it this way. If it was super sensitive and he shouldn’t have had it, if he said no to producing it even one time, then get the warrant and go. If it was super sensitive then I would have expected that to have happened quickly— first couple weeks of June start to finish. But that didn’t happen. So I am left to wonder whether 1) it was really sensitive (or just bearing legacy markings), or 2) whether DOJ dragged its feet out of a lack of focus or lack of direction or lack of urgency. The Washington Post has talked about how Garland took weeks to decide whether the warrant should be executed. Why? If it was so clearly sensitive and so clear that Team Trump would not cooperate, then why all the deliberations. For me, the behavior of DOJ and Garlands telegraphs that the documents were NOT so super sensitive.

Dude. There is no such thing as “legacy markings”.

I know what you want to know—you want to know when and who tipped the FBI off. Well guess what? You’ll find out, at trial. Which is where this will go if I’m reading the room correctly.

Actually there are legacy markings. A document that was once classified can be declassified and often, paper versions with the prior mark are still around. So for example, if a presidential trip to Iraq is being planned that is classified, once it happens and the events are all known and in the past, some elements if they trip are no longer “classified” because the need to secure is past and someone somewhere has declassified them. A less exciting version is found frequently in federal procurement. Things can be considered Procurement Sensitive at one stage in an acquisition but later not anymore. But people don’t go back and re-mark every document.
Seems to me you are the dense and disconnected people who live in a fantasy world where once a document is declassified all the files (paper and electronic) magically change. Well that is Harry Potters world. And no, I don’t give a crap if someone called the FBI. If Trump had stuff he should not have had, and wouldn’t give it back, then game on. If this was just an overreaction by Garland, he will go done in history as the guy who opened the door to one party using the DOJ to silence and ruin the lives of political rivals. If trump deserves this, then fine. But if this isn’t deserved then it is the Biden justice department using its power to silence THE NUMBER ONE rival of Biden. That is what this is if Garland jumped the gun.

The inventory included highly classified documents. There is really no getting around that. They should not have been there. This is pretty open and shut. Doubt very much they would have gone forward with the search otherwise. Your concerns are noted though, concern troll.

I don’t think you are very smart. If the documents were so obviously sensitive why didn’t they take them in June. That is the question. It’s like “oooh Trump has the nuclear codes!! OMG! Let’s hustle back TWO MONTHS LATER!!!”

Gym? Is that you?

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Now we are at, he did, so what!

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We will likely never know what types of incriminating documents were placed in burn bags and destroyed.

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Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Weird, I thought the FBI thoroughly investigated Hilary about Benghazi! And emails.
Russian collusion, I thought a bunch of people connected to Trump went to jail? And just because they couldn’t pin it on Trump didn’t Mueller say “I’m not exonerating him either.”?

You’ve managed to avoid the entire point of what I am saying. The affidavit could be redacted of sensitive information but also leave behind information that would support or refute Garland’s statement that the DOJ couldn’t get the documents any other way.

Why should Trump be accommodated anymore than he has already been? His lawyers signed an affidavit saying that they don't have any more documents, when they actually did. Why should the DOJ beg and plead and negotiate any more than they already have, when the man is clearly in possession of material he should not have?

I view it this way. If it was super sensitive and he shouldn’t have had it, if he said no to producing it even one time, then get the warrant and go. If it was super sensitive then I would have expected that to have happened quickly— first couple weeks of June start to finish. But that didn’t happen. So I am left to wonder whether 1) it was really sensitive (or just bearing legacy markings), or 2) whether DOJ dragged its feet out of a lack of focus or lack of direction or lack of urgency. The Washington Post has talked about how Garland took weeks to decide whether the warrant should be executed. Why? If it was so clearly sensitive and so clear that Team Trump would not cooperate, then why all the deliberations. For me, the behavior of DOJ and Garlands telegraphs that the documents were NOT so super sensitive.

Dude. There is no such thing as “legacy markings”.

I know what you want to know—you want to know when and who tipped the FBI off. Well guess what? You’ll find out, at trial. Which is where this will go if I’m reading the room correctly.

Actually there are legacy markings. A document that was once classified can be declassified and often, paper versions with the prior mark are still around. So for example, if a presidential trip to Iraq is being planned that is classified, once it happens and the events are all known and in the past, some elements if they trip are no longer “classified” because the need to secure is past and someone somewhere has declassified them. A less exciting version is found frequently in federal procurement. Things can be considered Procurement Sensitive at one stage in an acquisition but later not anymore. But people don’t go back and re-mark every document.
Seems to me you are the dense and disconnected people who live in a fantasy world where once a document is declassified all the files (paper and electronic) magically change. Well that is Harry Potters world. And no, I don’t give a crap if someone called the FBI. If Trump had stuff he should not have had, and wouldn’t give it back, then game on. If this was just an overreaction by Garland, he will go done in history as the guy who opened the door to one party using the DOJ to silence and ruin the lives of political rivals. If trump deserves this, then fine. But if this isn’t deserved then it is the Biden justice department using its power to silence THE NUMBER ONE rival of Biden. That is what this is if Garland jumped the gun.

The inventory included highly classified documents. There is really no getting around that. They should not have been there. This is pretty open and shut. Doubt very much they would have gone forward with the search otherwise. Your concerns are noted though, concern troll.

I don’t think you are very smart. If the documents were so obviously sensitive why didn’t they take them in June. That is the question. It’s like “oooh Trump has the nuclear codes!! OMG! Let’s hustle back TWO MONTHS LATER!!!”

Gym? Is that you?

Right? Are these people just trolling us at this point? I mean we now know that there was a subpoena in June. We also know that trump’s lawyers signed something saying there were no more classified docs. So when the investigators get a credible tip that there continues to be highly classified docs at MAL, what the heck are they supposed to do?