Roe v Wade struck down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Heartbreaking and maddening. This is on Republicans.

A Texas obstetrician watched as the pregnant woman she was caring for got sicker and sicker.

The woman was 19 weeks pregnant, the fetus too young to survive outside the womb. Her water had broken, an ultrasound showing no amniotic fluid around the baby. In states where abortion is allowed, doctors would offer to terminate the pregnancy, since pregnant women in this situation have a high likelihood of developing an infection and becoming septic, which is a life-threatening emergency.

But in Texas, where strict limitations on abortion took effect more than a year ago, doctors fear criminal and civil prosecution if they offer termination before the mother is on the brink of death.

“Literally, we’ve had to watch patients deteriorate in front of our eyes,” said the doctor, a specialist in high-risk pregnancies who works at a public university.

Since the passage of the Texas laws, some women have been denied abortions even when their lives were in danger and the fetus had fatal birth defects and would die within minutes of birth. Others have been denied abortions even after the fetus had died.

In the past year, the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center has issued more than 150 news releases detailing advances in the lab, studies conducted by its doctors, awards for its researchers and a new culinary medicine program, among dozens of other topics.

But when five of its doctors published a study – one of the first of its kind – about the effect of abortion bans in real life, the medical center didn’t issue a news release. The research, published in the American Journal of Gynecology, found that at two Texas hospitals, the abortion bans were “associated with significant maternal morbidity.”

CNN reached out to two oncologists at MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, one of the largest cancer centers in the US, to ask them about their experiences treating pregnant patients, considering that Texas has had strict abortion limitations for more than a year.

Oncologists have expressed concern that abortion bans could hurt pregnant cancer patients. Pregnant women can’t receive certain cancer tests, and treatments that can harm a fetus, so if abortion is not an option, they sometimes have to delay lifesaving cancer care. As two breast cancer doctors wrote in August in The New England Journal of Medicine, abortion bans “will harm some of our patients” because sometimes, “we cannot offer complete or safe treatment to a pregnant person with a breast cancer diagnosis.”

This is a consequence of hospitals and medical groups being bought by private equity and other conservative-aligned finance groups.

Doctors should talk to the media. There's a massive shortage of doctors and nurses; the administrators only have fear as their leverage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Heartbreaking and maddening. This is on Republicans.

A Texas obstetrician watched as the pregnant woman she was caring for got sicker and sicker.

The woman was 19 weeks pregnant, the fetus too young to survive outside the womb. Her water had broken, an ultrasound showing no amniotic fluid around the baby. In states where abortion is allowed, doctors would offer to terminate the pregnancy, since pregnant women in this situation have a high likelihood of developing an infection and becoming septic, which is a life-threatening emergency.

But in Texas, where strict limitations on abortion took effect more than a year ago, doctors fear criminal and civil prosecution if they offer termination before the mother is on the brink of death.

“Literally, we’ve had to watch patients deteriorate in front of our eyes,” said the doctor, a specialist in high-risk pregnancies who works at a public university.

Since the passage of the Texas laws, some women have been denied abortions even when their lives were in danger and the fetus had fatal birth defects and would die within minutes of birth. Others have been denied abortions even after the fetus had died.

In the past year, the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center has issued more than 150 news releases detailing advances in the lab, studies conducted by its doctors, awards for its researchers and a new culinary medicine program, among dozens of other topics.

But when five of its doctors published a study – one of the first of its kind – about the effect of abortion bans in real life, the medical center didn’t issue a news release. The research, published in the American Journal of Gynecology, found that at two Texas hospitals, the abortion bans were “associated with significant maternal morbidity.”

CNN reached out to two oncologists at MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, one of the largest cancer centers in the US, to ask them about their experiences treating pregnant patients, considering that Texas has had strict abortion limitations for more than a year.

Oncologists have expressed concern that abortion bans could hurt pregnant cancer patients. Pregnant women can’t receive certain cancer tests, and treatments that can harm a fetus, so if abortion is not an option, they sometimes have to delay lifesaving cancer care. As two breast cancer doctors wrote in August in The New England Journal of Medicine, abortion bans “will harm some of our patients” because sometimes, “we cannot offer complete or safe treatment to a pregnant person with a breast cancer diagnosis.”

This is a consequence of hospitals and medical groups being bought by private equity and other conservative-aligned finance groups.

Doctors should talk to the media. There's a massive shortage of doctors and nurses; the administrators only have fear as their leverage.

The muzzling is on hospitals. The fact that women are dying is on forced birth Republican voters.

[Anonymous]

Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

And I should add, this is not a slur against Mexico. The advocates there have been exemplary in how they've reversed Mexico's stance on abortion in that country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

And this is how it goes. Abortion goes underground. Because no matter what Republicans crow about, they will never, ever, ever get rid of abortion. Abortion has existed since humankind has existed. Women in desperate situations will ALWAYS seek out a means and way to terminate a pregnancy. Democrats want it to be safe for those women. Republicans don't care about them and will shrug their shoulders when women start to die because of it having gone underground.

On the one hand I'm glad people are reaching out to help these desperate women. On the other hand I'm furious knowing how vulnerable they are and that there will come a day when some malicious person sends poison to a woman seeking abortion pills. And anti-life Republicans will say, too bad, she deserved it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

This was a good article. It is silly to believe abortions will go away. One of the women successfully aborted her 13 week old fetus. It's not ideal but many women will get abortions this way and these laws will be so pointless. The government can't possibly crack down on the majority of these types of solutions. Sure, one in a few thousand might get caught but this will be impossible to really put a dent in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

This was a good article. It is silly to believe abortions will go away. One of the women successfully aborted her 13 week old fetus. It's not ideal but many women will get abortions this way and these laws will be so pointless. The government can't possibly crack down on the majority of these types of solutions. Sure, one in a few thousand might get caught but this will be impossible to really put a dent in.

And just to make a point: had abortion been legal, she would have obtained on at a much earlier point in her pregnancy. Republican policies are making this happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

This was a good article. It is silly to believe abortions will go away. One of the women successfully aborted her 13 week old fetus. It's not ideal but many women will get abortions this way and these laws will be so pointless. The government can't possibly crack down on the majority of these types of solutions. Sure, one in a few thousand might get caught but this will be impossible to really put a dent in.

And just to make a point: had abortion been legal, she would have obtained on at a much earlier point in her pregnancy. Republican policies are making this happen.

That’s always been the case. Indirectly by the GOP’s hostility to birth control and health care accessibility in general, and more specifically most of the women who had early second trimester abortions cited difficulties artificially created by forced birther laws that meant they had to save up longer or scramble to find more child care/convince a boss to give them more time off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

And this is how it goes. Abortion goes underground. Because no matter what Republicans crow about, they will never, ever, ever get rid of abortion. Abortion has existed since humankind has existed. Women in desperate situations will ALWAYS seek out a means and way to terminate a pregnancy. Democrats want it to be safe for those women. Republicans don't care about them and will shrug their shoulders when women start to die because of it having gone underground.

On the one hand I'm glad people are reaching out to help these desperate women. On the other hand I'm furious knowing how vulnerable they are and that there will come a day when some malicious person sends poison to a woman seeking abortion pills. And anti-life Republicans will say, too bad, she deserved it.

The cruelty is the point. Making every abortion-seeking woman into a fugitive? Forcing children too young to figure it out for themselves (not every raped child who gets pregnant has a phone and the intellect to find these underground places nor the resources or even mailing address)? The cruelty is the point.

I know it’s unfashionable to use the word “fascism,” but keeping women in a second class, traditional status as cruelly as possible is fascism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

And this is how it goes. Abortion goes underground. Because no matter what Republicans crow about, they will never, ever, ever get rid of abortion. Abortion has existed since humankind has existed. Women in desperate situations will ALWAYS seek out a means and way to terminate a pregnancy. Democrats want it to be safe for those women. Republicans don't care about them and will shrug their shoulders when women start to die because of it having gone underground.

On the one hand I'm glad people are reaching out to help these desperate women. On the other hand I'm furious knowing how vulnerable they are and that there will come a day when some malicious person sends poison to a woman seeking abortion pills. And anti-life Republicans will say, too bad, she deserved it.

The cruelty is the point. Making every abortion-seeking woman into a fugitive? Forcing children too young to figure it out for themselves (not every raped child who gets pregnant has a phone and the intellect to find these underground places nor the resources or even mailing address)? The cruelty is the point.

I know it’s unfashionable to use the word “fascism,” but keeping women in a second class, traditional status as cruelly as possible is fascism.

Actually only fascist states legalize murder at will. Which is what many abortion advocates want, instead of some reasonable compromise like all EU countries have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

And this is how it goes. Abortion goes underground. Because no matter what Republicans crow about, they will never, ever, ever get rid of abortion. Abortion has existed since humankind has existed. Women in desperate situations will ALWAYS seek out a means and way to terminate a pregnancy. Democrats want it to be safe for those women. Republicans don't care about them and will shrug their shoulders when women start to die because of it having gone underground.

On the one hand I'm glad people are reaching out to help these desperate women. On the other hand I'm furious knowing how vulnerable they are and that there will come a day when some malicious person sends poison to a woman seeking abortion pills. And anti-life Republicans will say, too bad, she deserved it.

The cruelty is the point. Making every abortion-seeking woman into a fugitive? Forcing children too young to figure it out for themselves (not every raped child who gets pregnant has a phone and the intellect to find these underground places nor the resources or even mailing address)? The cruelty is the point.

I know it’s unfashionable to use the word “fascism,” but keeping women in a second class, traditional status as cruelly as possible is fascism.

Actually only fascist states legalize murder at will. Which is what many abortion advocates want, instead of some reasonable compromise like all EU countries have.

Bullcrap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

And this is how it goes. Abortion goes underground. Because no matter what Republicans crow about, they will never, ever, ever get rid of abortion. Abortion has existed since humankind has existed. Women in desperate situations will ALWAYS seek out a means and way to terminate a pregnancy. Democrats want it to be safe for those women. Republicans don't care about them and will shrug their shoulders when women start to die because of it having gone underground.

On the one hand I'm glad people are reaching out to help these desperate women. On the other hand I'm furious knowing how vulnerable they are and that there will come a day when some malicious person sends poison to a woman seeking abortion pills. And anti-life Republicans will say, too bad, she deserved it.

The cruelty is the point. Making every abortion-seeking woman into a fugitive? Forcing children too young to figure it out for themselves (not every raped child who gets pregnant has a phone and the intellect to find these underground places nor the resources or even mailing address)? The cruelty is the point.

I know it’s unfashionable to use the word “fascism,” but keeping women in a second class, traditional status as cruelly as possible is fascism.

Actually only fascist states legalize murder at will. Which is what many abortion advocates want, instead of some reasonable compromise like all EU countries have.

Bullcrap.

Yup.

Also known as Roe v Wade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

And this is how it goes. Abortion goes underground. Because no matter what Republicans crow about, they will never, ever, ever get rid of abortion. Abortion has existed since humankind has existed. Women in desperate situations will ALWAYS seek out a means and way to terminate a pregnancy. Democrats want it to be safe for those women. Republicans don't care about them and will shrug their shoulders when women start to die because of it having gone underground.

On the one hand I'm glad people are reaching out to help these desperate women. On the other hand I'm furious knowing how vulnerable they are and that there will come a day when some malicious person sends poison to a woman seeking abortion pills. And anti-life Republicans will say, too bad, she deserved it.

The cruelty is the point. Making every abortion-seeking woman into a fugitive? Forcing children too young to figure it out for themselves (not every raped child who gets pregnant has a phone and the intellect to find these underground places nor the resources or even mailing address)? The cruelty is the point.

I know it’s unfashionable to use the word “fascism,” but keeping women in a second class, traditional status as cruelly as possible is fascism.

Actually only fascist states legalize murder at will. Which is what many abortion advocates want, instead of some reasonable compromise like all EU countries have.

Roe v Wade was the reasonable compromise. You blew that up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

And this is how it goes. Abortion goes underground. Because no matter what Republicans crow about, they will never, ever, ever get rid of abortion. Abortion has existed since humankind has existed. Women in desperate situations will ALWAYS seek out a means and way to terminate a pregnancy. Democrats want it to be safe for those women. Republicans don't care about them and will shrug their shoulders when women start to die because of it having gone underground.

On the one hand I'm glad people are reaching out to help these desperate women. On the other hand I'm furious knowing how vulnerable they are and that there will come a day when some malicious person sends poison to a woman seeking abortion pills. And anti-life Republicans will say, too bad, she deserved it.

The cruelty is the point. Making every abortion-seeking woman into a fugitive? Forcing children too young to figure it out for themselves (not every raped child who gets pregnant has a phone and the intellect to find these underground places nor the resources or even mailing address)? The cruelty is the point.

I know it’s unfashionable to use the word “fascism,” but keeping women in a second class, traditional status as cruelly as possible is fascism.

Actually only fascist states legalize murder at will. Which is what many abortion advocates want, instead of some reasonable compromise like all EU countries have.

Roe v Wade was the reasonable compromise. You blew that up.

It was a reasonable compromise -- except it should have been made by Congress, not by the courts. Dems have had decades to codify it, and blew it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women forced to get pills for medical abortions from Mexico:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/18/illegal-abortion-pill-network/

And this is how it goes. Abortion goes underground. Because no matter what Republicans crow about, they will never, ever, ever get rid of abortion. Abortion has existed since humankind has existed. Women in desperate situations will ALWAYS seek out a means and way to terminate a pregnancy. Democrats want it to be safe for those women. Republicans don't care about them and will shrug their shoulders when women start to die because of it having gone underground.

On the one hand I'm glad people are reaching out to help these desperate women. On the other hand I'm furious knowing how vulnerable they are and that there will come a day when some malicious person sends poison to a woman seeking abortion pills. And anti-life Republicans will say, too bad, she deserved it.

The cruelty is the point. Making every abortion-seeking woman into a fugitive? Forcing children too young to figure it out for themselves (not every raped child who gets pregnant has a phone and the intellect to find these underground places nor the resources or even mailing address)? The cruelty is the point.

I know it’s unfashionable to use the word “fascism,” but keeping women in a second class, traditional status as cruelly as possible is fascism.

Actually only fascist states legalize murder at will. Which is what many abortion advocates want, instead of some reasonable compromise like all EU countries have.

Roe v Wade was the reasonable compromise. You blew that up.

It was a reasonable compromise -- except it should have been made by Congress, not by the courts. Dems have had decades to codify it, and blew it up.

Why is it solely on the Democrats to do the right thing?