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Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

Well good - at least you're honest about that. Because feminism, in my book, includes celebrating the many choices women have and their ability to go after the one that works for them.

So all the 1950s housewives were feminists, or you're a feminist because you could use your education for paid employment, yet choose not to do so?

1950s housewives didn't have the opportunities that we do today, so staying home with one's children really wasn't a choice. It was expected. Nowadays, however, women can choose to do or be whatever they want to. That's what feminism is supposed to celebrate - equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay. I can go to school, get a good education, work, have children, continue working, decide to stay home with my kids, return to work later, or not. Who are you, or anyone else, to tell women who choose to be home with children that their choice is somehow invalid? That makes you an anti-feminist, in my book. Women are supposed to support other women, not tear them down. Guess you didn't get the memo.

Does your husband have all those freedoms too? Or is he expected to just foot the bill while you do whatever you want?

My husband - a feminist, by the way! - doesn't consider himself to be "footing the bill". Very telling that you would look at it that way. We're a team and look at our life that way. He's happy doing what he does and is also happy knowing I'm doing what I choose to do, which is take care of our kids. Why are you so concerned about other people's lives and marriage dynamics? How about you worry about your own?

What if your husband came home from work tonight and told you he was choosing to stay home too? Would that be okay with you? Would you then have to get a job so he could have his chance to stay home with the kids? It seems like if you truly believe in equal rights and that working is a decision anyone has be right to make, then this would include men being able to decide to stay home. I have a feeling a lot of SAHMs wouldn't be happy trading places with their husbands.

Sure I'd be ok with that. But fortunately, he's made it clear that he's not cut out to be a stay at home parent. And, this is what I want to do and am cut out to do. So I don't see that happening. If our situations were different, however, and he did want to stay home, I'm sure we'd work it out so that he was able to do so, and of course I'd get a job! It would be a big switch in our lifestyle, but not unmanageable.

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Everybody who owns or is a top employee in a business is sociopathic to a degree. They all have no issue with lying, backstabbing, cheating, doing untold harm etc as long as they can make a buck. We should stop bending to their will imo

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Anonymous wrote:I believe every convicted child molester should receive the death penalty.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

Well good - at least you're honest about that. Because feminism, in my book, includes celebrating the many choices women have and their ability to go after the one that works for them.

So all the 1950s housewives were feminists, or you're a feminist because you could use your education for paid employment, yet choose not to do so?

1950s housewives didn't have the opportunities that we do today, so staying home with one's children really wasn't a choice. It was expected. Nowadays, however, women can choose to do or be whatever they want to. That's what feminism is supposed to celebrate - equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay. I can go to school, get a good education, work, have children, continue working, decide to stay home with my kids, return to work later, or not. Who are you, or anyone else, to tell women who choose to be home with children that their choice is somehow invalid? That makes you an anti-feminist, in my book. Women are supposed to support other women, not tear them down. Guess you didn't get the memo.

Does your husband have all those freedoms too? Or is he expected to just foot the bill while you do whatever you want?

My husband - a feminist, by the way! - doesn't consider himself to be "footing the bill". Very telling that you would look at it that way. We're a team and look at our life that way. He's happy doing what he does and is also happy knowing I'm doing what I choose to do, which is take care of our kids. Why are you so concerned about other people's lives and marriage dynamics? How about you worry about your own?

What if your husband came home from work tonight and told you he was choosing to stay home too? Would that be okay with you? Would you then have to get a job so he could have his chance to stay home with the kids? It seems like if you truly believe in equal rights and that working is a decision anyone has be right to make, then this would include men being able to decide to stay home. I have a feeling a lot of SAHMs wouldn't be happy trading places with their husbands.

My DH and I have discussed this. After our last kid is weaned it will be more feasible. I think ultimately the barrier will be the salary I can get re-entering the work force after a five year break. My DH and I had a similar career trajectory/salary and now he's pulled ahead during my time out of the workforce. If we can make the finances work we will consider it. We've also talked about reinventing ourselves and starting a new venture together at some point. We will probably talk about that again. It will definitely be a team decision when the time comes.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe every convicted child molester should receive the death penalty.

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After being castrated using cattle tools.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't read all 120+ threads, but SAHM are lazy, and it's comical when they complain about being "tired." Yes, I'm awful but it's how I truly feel.

Aren't you a charmer. Sorry being a SAHM didn't work out for you. Clearly, you weren't cut out for it.

That's like saying...sorry being a drive-thru attendant at MickeyD's didn't work out for you, clearly you weren't cut out for it. Clearly I wasn't cut out for it because I have more ambition and capability than that.

Ok, WOHMs - I think we've established the ugly attitude toward SAHMs is alive and well on this thread. Anyone want to dispute that?

What I wonder is what people like PP tell their daughters when they're growing up. "No, Larla, you must not ever aspire to be a SAHM because they are worthless, ignorant females who simply couldn't do any better. Anyone who would choose to actually stay home and take care of their own kids must not have any other prospects! Don't you ever stoop to taking care of your own kids. That's why there are daycares, nannies, and au pairs. To raise children. And you're better than that."

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Anonymous wrote:I think the jury in the Zimmerman case reached the right verdict; innocent little Trayvon was trying to bash Zimmerman's skull open against a concrete sidewalk (Trayvon wasn't as innocent as first portrayed). He was a violent punk who turned into the aggressor.

But Zimmerman - while not a murderer - should never have followed Trayvon around; the guy's behavior before and since that night suggest he has serious delusions about being a cop when he is not; following Trayvon was not his job. His weird personality and lack of judgement will eventually land him behind bars.

He also was not driven by racism; he's a person of color himself! Justice was right to drop the civil rights investigation ; Zimmerman used to volunteer as a tutor / mentor to disadvantaged black kids. Zimmerman was anti-crime, not anti-black.

Finally, this administration handled the whole affair miserably.

+1 AA's should focus on educating themselves to get out of poverty. Not marching for the life of a slain thug (who imo got what he deserved)

1) I'm an African-American who has not need to focus on getting out of poverty. Shockingly, not all of "us" are born into poverty. Secondly, not everyone who was marching for a slain thug were uneducated. There were *gasp* black lawyers, and other professionals out there marching! Please don't assume all African-Americans are either in poverty, or have worked their way out. That's like saying white people should focus on getting an education to work their way out of trailer parks.

Every ethnic group has to work their way out of poverty. The difference was that the catholics and other groups did not march for their thugs and criminals but instead worked to better themselves as a group

So, AA haven't worked to better themselves as a group? Civil Rights movements? Fighting for our equality and rights?

So did the Catholics and they didn't complain half as much

Nor did they spend 245 years in slavery.

More like 500

Persecuted for their religious beliefs? Sure. Able to not show their skin color outright? NO. No way of escaping persecution.

I hate to disrupt the AA narrative of "all white people were kind to each other and did not discriminate" but read up on history and you will see this homogeneous whites story crumble. EVERY group that came to America before the 80's and even most today were persecuted for many decades upon arrival

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Anonymous wrote:Stay at home moms who push their daughters academically are hypocrites.

How so? You have no idea what they've done academically/professionally before AND after being a SAHM.

Seriously. The PP's statement just made me laugh. Among my circle of SAHMs are graduates of Brown, Cornell, Yale, Davidson, UMichigan, and Chapel Hill, and myriad great state universities, to name just a few. These women were Big Law attorneys, Wall St. analysts, marketing execs, psychologists, and architects. They are now Girl Scout leaders and volunteers, among other things. One thing we all have in common: we decided to lean OUT in order to take care of our children. Will we one day return to the workforce? Sure. But we're all big believers in sequencing, and for right now, being home with our kids is where we want to be. Hopefully our daughters will do well in school too and one day be able to make these choices for themselves too. Isn't that what feminism is all about - choices? As for the PP who insists that SAHMs either aren't educated or are wasting their education - that just speaks volumes about your own level of education. You're truly showing your ignorance.

Why aren't you able to do both? Once your kids are in school you are just being lazy then.

Um, who said we're "not able" to do both? The point is, we CHOOSE to focus on raising the kids. Why do you have a problem with that? How does it affect you in any way? Raise your own kids and let others do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody who owns or is a top employee in a business is sociopathic to a degree. They all have no issue with lying, backstabbing, cheating, doing untold harm etc as long as they can make a buck. We should stop bending to their will imo

+1000 I find it sad that many teens idolize these men who are no more than murderers. Remember that for every gain in efficiency, people are laid off. Such great businessmen

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"Being with your own kids is not and never will be a job. It is your responsibility. I pay other people because my DC are not their responsibility. Big difference."

So, let's get this straight - your children are your responsibility, yet you outsource their care to someone else, whom you pay. Like a pet sitter or a house cleaner. Got it.

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Susan Rice is one of the smartest people who I've ever seen/heard being interviewed. She'd presently being interviewed by Charlie Rose.

She's smart and very well spoken.

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Anonymous wrote:So, in Australia there is some Muslim lawyer woman that screemed intolerance over a t-shirt that said love it or leave, regarding the national flag. If she hadn't made a stink over it, no one would be sending her hate mail. Personally, I feel the same way. If you hate America so much GTFO, whether you're white, black, purple whatever.

You poor misguided soul! This has become the "duke it out over SAHM" thread - far from the original header.... so sorry! You will have to start a NEW thread (which, will, of course, become another SAHM thread...) oh well. This really is a one-note town.

Yes, this thread rapidly disintegrated and why? Oh, that's right. Because some moron chose to call SAHMs lazy and then others chimed in with their agreement. See what happens when you denigrate someone's lifestyle because you just don't approve of it? People tend to defend themselves.

I actually think it started with the "you can have it all" posts. SAHMs were bashing first.

Wrong and you know it. The WOHM mafia network came out of the woodwork and started calling SAHMs lazy. Enough with you crazy people already. Raise your kids in the manner in which you see fit, and the rest of us will too. Get off your high horse and stop slamming women for their choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

Well good - at least you're honest about that. Because feminism, in my book, includes celebrating the many choices women have and their ability to go after the one that works for them.

So all the 1950s housewives were feminists, or you're a feminist because you could use your education for paid employment, yet choose not to do so?

1950s housewives didn't have the opportunities that we do today, so staying home with one's children really wasn't a choice. It was expected. Nowadays, however, women can choose to do or be whatever they want to. That's what feminism is supposed to celebrate - equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay. I can go to school, get a good education, work, have children, continue working, decide to stay home with my kids, return to work later, or not. Who are you, or anyone else, to tell women who choose to be home with children that their choice is somehow invalid? That makes you an anti-feminist, in my book. Women are supposed to support other women, not tear them down. Guess you didn't get the memo.

Does your husband have all those freedoms too? Or is he expected to just foot the bill while you do whatever you want?

My husband - a feminist, by the way! - doesn't consider himself to be "footing the bill". Very telling that you would look at it that way. We're a team and look at our life that way. He's happy doing what he does and is also happy knowing I'm doing what I choose to do, which is take care of our kids. Why are you so concerned about other people's lives and marriage dynamics? How about you worry about your own?

What if your husband came home from work tonight and told you he was choosing to stay home too? Would that be okay with you? Would you then have to get a job so he could have his chance to stay home with the kids? It seems like if you truly believe in equal rights and that working is a decision anyone has be right to make, then this would include men being able to decide to stay home. I have a feeling a lot of SAHMs wouldn't be happy trading places with their husbands.

+10000.

At least three posters have asked this and there's been no response. Like so many SAHMs, the reason not to work is ME ME ME - not even anything to do with the kids.

What are you whining about now? I responded, as did several other people. Clearly, it wasn't the answer you wanted though. You are so transparent and yet you don't even realize how ignorant you are.

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Anonymous wrote:So, in Australia there is some Muslim lawyer woman that screemed intolerance over a t-shirt that said love it or leave, regarding the national flag. If she hadn't made a stink over it, no one would be sending her hate mail. Personally, I feel the same way. If you hate America so much GTFO, whether you're white, black, purple whatever.

You poor misguided soul! This has become the "duke it out over SAHM" thread - far from the original header.... so sorry! You will have to start a NEW thread (which, will, of course, become another SAHM thread...) oh well. This really is a one-note town.

Yes, this thread rapidly disintegrated and why? Oh, that's right. Because some moron chose to call SAHMs lazy and then others chimed in with their agreement. See what happens when you denigrate someone's lifestyle because you just don't approve of it? People tend to defend themselves.

But, the thread specifically asked for an opinion You have that is in the strong minority. See what happens when someone has an opinion that's in the minority? They're called a moron, attacked, and accused of not raising their own children, being unhappy, and needing a day off! Kudos to you SAHM on this thread! You're quite non-judgmental yourselves. Or, can't handle someone having an opinion you don't agree with.

It would give you more confidence in your choices? Working.
So... are you saying you wouldn't take offense at having your lifestyle choice judged and mocked? Puh-leeze. The WOHMs on this thread are the biggest bunch of hypocrites I've seen in a long time. If you don't like your childcare choices denigrated, don't disparage others' in the first place.

I don't take offense. Why would I? I do your job and another one that I get paid a lot of money for, so bark away. I know I'm doing more than you.

This is hilarious - you honestly see this as a competition. Who's doing more???? That is so sad and speaks volumes about how unhappy you are. Too bad you just don't realize how you sound and unfortunately, how you're making other WOHMs sound with your ridiculous remarks. I know not all WOHMs feel the way you do. You clearly have anger issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody who owns or is a top employee in a business is sociopathic to a degree. They all have no issue with lying, backstabbing, cheating, doing untold harm etc as long as they can make a buck. We should stop bending to their will imo

+1000 I find it sad that many teens idolize these men who are no more than murderers. Remember that for every gain in efficiency, people are laid off. Such great businessmen

x10 Obama really needs to pass some legislation that will make prosecuting these fucks easier