Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!

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Anonymous wrote:So NPS is thinking of eliminating the reversible direction on Rock Creek Parkway? No wonder DDOT is mildly freaking out. That would plunge Connecticut Ave and many Upper NW streets into total gridlock, even without bike lanes. Bike lanes would make it even worse, if that is imaginable if RC Parkway changed.

No, bike lanes would give people who can, an alternative to driving, so it wouldn't make it worse.

If they ended the reversible direction on rock creek parkway that would be a huge deal. Bike lanes on Connecticut Ave do not solve the commuting issues for people EOTP.

Bike lanes don't solve the commuting issue any where. They are a seasonal recreational amenity.

Do more people ride in the nicest weather? Yes. But do a crap load of people ride regardless of the weather? Yes. Are more people riding year over year over year for the past few years? Yes.

Shut up.

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Anonymous wrote:The Control Board is not going to allow this project. Let’s talk again in 2028.

If the GOP sweeps the US elections, forget any notion that the next iteration will be the Clinton era control board. Think of it more like a victorious power’s Kontrollkommission. The idiots in the Wilson Building should take note.

Maybe everyone here should take a long hard look at the Project 2025 in the housing and transportation sections and then reconsider their democratic party membership.

Single family only zoning? Check
Bike lanes? F them, Check
EV's? Screw that, gas guzzler only
Public transport? Haha - the rule of the ICE automobile is back.
Housing vouchers? You gotta be kidding me!

All you "got mine" jerks that came to upper NW in the 70's and 80's and want to see it remain that way forever have completely done a 180 over the bra burning movements from your youthful years.

Awkward question. What’s wrong with single family zoning? Whats wrong with family friendly neighborhoods?

The main argument against R1 zoning, is that single family homes are the only things permitted. Row homes, corner stores, accessory dwellings, etc... are all prohibited. It leads to a pretty spread-out area that essentially mandates heavy car usage and parking. This has downstream impacts like "Connecticut Avenue needs parking 24/7" and "Let's use Rock Creek Park as a commuter route" that are less than ideal for a well-functioning city.

This is an anachronistic argument. Post Covid we need more downtown residential density, not uptown.

That doesn’t track at all. There are many UMC families that cannot afford to buy a SFH in NW DC but would love to stay in DC (including traveling downtown for work, entertainment and work). If I could buy a 2-3 bedroom duplex or triplex or ADU in NW DC I would absolutely do it. And developments like McLean Gardens show how some density can fit very nicely with open space.

What seems anachronistic now is the idea that all economic development needs to be concentrated in one downtown.

It’s a big city. Why do you HAVE to be in NW?

Why do YOU have to have your SFH in NW? But the answer is - proximity to schools, parks, metro, stores, services.

The schools in NW are already way overcrowded. What is the greater greater density solution for that?

The normal solution would be to redraw the boundaries so every middle school kid isn't inbound for Deal and then J-R.

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So white upzoners want to be able to move into neighborhoods with already-good schools and then completely wall off those schools to the rest of the city? That just screams equity. The masks are starting to fall off here.

Too lazy to gentrify

Too lazy to embrace the free market! If we loosen zoning laws, there will be both more duplexes in NW *and* still SFH in W7 and W8. Funny how that works. But why am I not surprised that the penchant to make any stupid argument (upzoning is racist!) applies as much to housing as to transit.

Look, we all know who you are - the crankiest cranks on the listserv. We roll our eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:The Control Board is not going to allow this project. Let’s talk again in 2028.

If the GOP sweeps the US elections, forget any notion that the next iteration will be the Clinton era control board. Think of it more like a victorious power’s Kontrollkommission. The idiots in the Wilson Building should take note.

Maybe everyone here should take a long hard look at the Project 2025 in the housing and transportation sections and then reconsider their democratic party membership.

Single family only zoning? Check
Bike lanes? F them, Check
EV's? Screw that, gas guzzler only
Public transport? Haha - the rule of the ICE automobile is back.
Housing vouchers? You gotta be kidding me!

All you "got mine" jerks that came to upper NW in the 70's and 80's and want to see it remain that way forever have completely done a 180 over the bra burning movements from your youthful years.

Awkward question. What’s wrong with single family zoning? Whats wrong with family friendly neighborhoods?

The main argument against R1 zoning, is that single family homes are the only things permitted. Row homes, corner stores, accessory dwellings, etc... are all prohibited. It leads to a pretty spread-out area that essentially mandates heavy car usage and parking. This has downstream impacts like "Connecticut Avenue needs parking 24/7" and "Let's use Rock Creek Park as a commuter route" that are less than ideal for a well-functioning city.

This is an anachronistic argument. Post Covid we need more downtown residential density, not uptown.

That doesn’t track at all. There are many UMC families that cannot afford to buy a SFH in NW DC but would love to stay in DC (including traveling downtown for work, entertainment and work). If I could buy a 2-3 bedroom duplex or triplex or ADU in NW DC I would absolutely do it. And developments like McLean Gardens show how some density can fit very nicely with open space.

What seems anachronistic now is the idea that all economic development needs to be concentrated in one downtown.

It’s a big city. Why do you HAVE to be in NW?

Because the GGWash crowd -- 99 percent white, 100 percent mediocre -- only clamors for cheaper housing near other white people.

It's curious how the upzoning people are always white and extremely pissed off they can't afford to live in the whitest neighborhoods in the city.

And the R-1 crowd is an extremely diverse bunch!

These are the arguments you get when you've created more "elites" than you have jobs/housing for. They go at each other in an attempt to secure these scarce markers of "making it."

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Anonymous wrote:The Control Board is not going to allow this project. Let’s talk again in 2028.

If the GOP sweeps the US elections, forget any notion that the next iteration will be the Clinton era control board. Think of it more like a victorious power’s Kontrollkommission. The idiots in the Wilson Building should take note.

Maybe everyone here should take a long hard look at the Project 2025 in the housing and transportation sections and then reconsider their democratic party membership.

Single family only zoning? Check
Bike lanes? F them, Check
EV's? Screw that, gas guzzler only
Public transport? Haha - the rule of the ICE automobile is back.
Housing vouchers? You gotta be kidding me!

All you "got mine" jerks that came to upper NW in the 70's and 80's and want to see it remain that way forever have completely done a 180 over the bra burning movements from your youthful years.

Awkward question. What’s wrong with single family zoning? Whats wrong with family friendly neighborhoods?

The main argument against R1 zoning, is that single family homes are the only things permitted. Row homes, corner stores, accessory dwellings, etc... are all prohibited. It leads to a pretty spread-out area that essentially mandates heavy car usage and parking. This has downstream impacts like "Connecticut Avenue needs parking 24/7" and "Let's use Rock Creek Park as a commuter route" that are less than ideal for a well-functioning city.

This is an anachronistic argument. Post Covid we need more downtown residential density, not uptown.

That doesn’t track at all. There are many UMC families that cannot afford to buy a SFH in NW DC but would love to stay in DC (including traveling downtown for work, entertainment and work). If I could buy a 2-3 bedroom duplex or triplex or ADU in NW DC I would absolutely do it. And developments like McLean Gardens show how some density can fit very nicely with open space.

What seems anachronistic now is the idea that all economic development needs to be concentrated in one downtown.

It’s a big city. Why do you HAVE to be in NW?

Because the GGWash crowd -- 99 percent white, 100 percent mediocre -- only clamors for cheaper housing near other white people.

It's curious how the upzoning people are always white and extremely pissed off they can't afford to live in the whitest neighborhoods in the city.

And the R-1 crowd is an extremely diverse bunch!

95% Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:The Control Board is not going to allow this project. Let’s talk again in 2028.

If the GOP sweeps the US elections, forget any notion that the next iteration will be the Clinton era control board. Think of it more like a victorious power’s Kontrollkommission. The idiots in the Wilson Building should take note.

Maybe everyone here should take a long hard look at the Project 2025 in the housing and transportation sections and then reconsider their democratic party membership.

Single family only zoning? Check
Bike lanes? F them, Check
EV's? Screw that, gas guzzler only
Public transport? Haha - the rule of the ICE automobile is back.
Housing vouchers? You gotta be kidding me!

All you "got mine" jerks that came to upper NW in the 70's and 80's and want to see it remain that way forever have completely done a 180 over the bra burning movements from your youthful years.

Awkward question. What’s wrong with single family zoning? Whats wrong with family friendly neighborhoods?

The main argument against R1 zoning, is that single family homes are the only things permitted. Row homes, corner stores, accessory dwellings, etc... are all prohibited. It leads to a pretty spread-out area that essentially mandates heavy car usage and parking. This has downstream impacts like "Connecticut Avenue needs parking 24/7" and "Let's use Rock Creek Park as a commuter route" that are less than ideal for a well-functioning city.

This is an anachronistic argument. Post Covid we need more downtown residential density, not uptown.

That doesn’t track at all. There are many UMC families that cannot afford to buy a SFH in NW DC but would love to stay in DC (including traveling downtown for work, entertainment and work). If I could buy a 2-3 bedroom duplex or triplex or ADU in NW DC I would absolutely do it. And developments like McLean Gardens show how some density can fit very nicely with open space.

What seems anachronistic now is the idea that all economic development needs to be concentrated in one downtown.

It’s a big city. Why do you HAVE to be in NW?

Because the GGWash crowd -- 99 percent white, 100 percent mediocre -- only clamors for cheaper housing near other white people.

It's curious how the upzoning people are always white and extremely pissed off they can't afford to live in the whitest neighborhoods in the city.

I live in Ward 3 in a SFH I own across the street from a plot marked for potential upzoning. Totally fine with it. Would be a little inconvenient for me, but I recognize that my personal whims shouldn’t dictate overall city policy.

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Anonymous wrote:The Control Board is not going to allow this project. Let’s talk again in 2028.

If the GOP sweeps the US elections, forget any notion that the next iteration will be the Clinton era control board. Think of it more like a victorious power’s Kontrollkommission. The idiots in the Wilson Building should take note.

Maybe everyone here should take a long hard look at the Project 2025 in the housing and transportation sections and then reconsider their democratic party membership.

Single family only zoning? Check
Bike lanes? F them, Check
EV's? Screw that, gas guzzler only
Public transport? Haha - the rule of the ICE automobile is back.
Housing vouchers? You gotta be kidding me!

All you "got mine" jerks that came to upper NW in the 70's and 80's and want to see it remain that way forever have completely done a 180 over the bra burning movements from your youthful years.

Awkward question. What’s wrong with single family zoning? Whats wrong with family friendly neighborhoods?

The main argument against R1 zoning, is that single family homes are the only things permitted. Row homes, corner stores, accessory dwellings, etc... are all prohibited. It leads to a pretty spread-out area that essentially mandates heavy car usage and parking. This has downstream impacts like "Connecticut Avenue needs parking 24/7" and "Let's use Rock Creek Park as a commuter route" that are less than ideal for a well-functioning city.

This is an anachronistic argument. Post Covid we need more downtown residential density, not uptown.

That doesn’t track at all. There are many UMC families that cannot afford to buy a SFH in NW DC but would love to stay in DC (including traveling downtown for work, entertainment and work). If I could buy a 2-3 bedroom duplex or triplex or ADU in NW DC I would absolutely do it. And developments like McLean Gardens show how some density can fit very nicely with open space.

What seems anachronistic now is the idea that all economic development needs to be concentrated in one downtown.

It’s a big city. Why do you HAVE to be in NW?

Because the GGWash crowd -- 99 percent white, 100 percent mediocre -- only clamors for cheaper housing near other white people.

It's curious how the upzoning people are always white and extremely pissed off they can't afford to live in the whitest neighborhoods in the city.

I live in Ward 3 in a SFH I own across the street from a plot marked for potential upzoning. Totally fine with it. Would be a little inconvenient for me, but I recognize that my personal whims shouldn’t dictate overall city policy.

How ironic.

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just another data point

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Someone make a meme where drivers and cyclists fight while a walker just looks depressed.

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Anonymous wrote:just another data point

Someone make a meme where drivers and cyclists fight while a walker just looks depressed.

Yup - two different independent studies of Cleveland Park found that only 10% of customers were arriving by car - both studies found 80% of customers were arriving on foot.

In fairness bike lanes really do benefit pedestrians by getting bikes (and scooters) off of sidewalks.

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Anonymous wrote:just another data point

Someone make a meme where drivers and cyclists fight while a walker just looks depressed.

Yup - two different independent studies of Cleveland Park found that only 10% of customers were arriving by car - both studies found 80% of customers were arriving on foot.

In fairness bike lanes really do benefit pedestrians by getting bikes (and scooters) off of sidewalks.

Sadly the boomers in Cleveland park don’t respond to logic

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Anonymous wrote:just another data point

Someone make a meme where drivers and cyclists fight while a walker just looks depressed.

Yup - two different independent studies of Cleveland Park found that only 10% of customers were arriving by car - both studies found 80% of customers were arriving on foot.

In fairness bike lanes really do benefit pedestrians by getting bikes (and scooters) off of sidewalks.

1. According to official data there's nowhere near enough bicyclists for there to be any benefit to pedestrians. Perhaps in other parts of town there is but not there.

2. The level of disingenuity in that "survey" is off the charts. Most customers arrive by walking from their car parked in the neighborhood. Under the metrics of those "surveys" those people are included in the 80%. People only count as arriving by car in that survey if they parked directly on Connecticut in front of the business they were patronizing.

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Anonymous wrote:just another data point

Someone make a meme where drivers and cyclists fight while a walker just looks depressed.

Yup - two different independent studies of Cleveland Park found that only 10% of customers were arriving by car - both studies found 80% of customers were arriving on foot.

In fairness bike lanes really do benefit pedestrians by getting bikes (and scooters) off of sidewalks.

1. According to official data there's nowhere near enough bicyclists for there to be any benefit to pedestrians. Perhaps in other parts of town there is but not there.

2. The level of disingenuity in that "survey" is off the charts. Most customers arrive by walking from their car parked in the neighborhood. Under the metrics of those "surveys" those people are included in the 80%. People only count as arriving by car in that survey if they parked directly on Connecticut in front of the business they were patronizing.

Seems remarkably like the same methodology as a Trump campaign survey. Oh, wait!

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Anonymous wrote:just another data point

Someone make a meme where drivers and cyclists fight while a walker just looks depressed.

Yup - two different independent studies of Cleveland Park found that only 10% of customers were arriving by car - both studies found 80% of customers were arriving on foot.

In fairness bike lanes really do benefit pedestrians by getting bikes (and scooters) off of sidewalks.

1. According to official data there's nowhere near enough bicyclists for there to be any benefit to pedestrians. Perhaps in other parts of town there is but not there.

2. The level of disingenuity in that "survey" is off the charts. Most customers arrive by walking from their car parked in the neighborhood. Under the metrics of those "surveys" those people are included in the 80%. People only count as arriving by car in that survey if they parked directly on Connecticut in front of the business they were patronizing.

Haha is this true? What a joke! Only like four cars parked at a time in front of a business. Of course everyone else ‘walks’.

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Is one of these surveys the Mary Cheh sponsored one?

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I drove past the new Cleveland Park pedestrian zone last night at around 5:30. You know, the one that was supposed to revitalize that retail strip? It was a beautiful night. There were literally three people on it, and two of them were camped out outside the 7-11. There was no outdoor dining, there was no huge pedestrian presence, no one was patronizing any of the stores or restaurants. Completely desolate at 5:30 on a beautiful evening, and that's not the first time I've noticed how dead it is.