Roy Moore the Pedophile

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wish one single person had reported something in 40 years.

THIS. I feel for these girls, now women. But why oh why couldn't they have reported this EARLIER?? Then, perhaps, this guy could have been prosecuted. The worst that will happen to him is that his political career is ruined.

Exactly. WaPo needs their candidate to win.
No matter what.

[Anonymous]

The bad news is that even if victims report, they are not always believed, or the prosecutor doesn't think he/she can make the case.
Read Missoula by Jon Krakauer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wish one single person had reported something in 40 years.

THIS. I feel for these girls, now women. But why oh why couldn't they have reported this EARLIER?? Then, perhaps, this guy could have been prosecuted. The worst that will happen to him is that his political career is ruined.

Exactly. WaPo needs their candidate to win.
No matter what.

No matter how many little girls the other guy attacked, the WaPo candidate must win. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bad news is that even if victims report, they are not always believed, or the prosecutor doesn't think he/she can make the case.
Read Missoula by Jon Krakauer

Or the prosecutor is the accused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bad news is that even if victims report, they are not always believed, or the prosecutor doesn't think he/she can make the case.
Read Missoula by Jon Krakauer

Or the prosecutor is the accused.

Or there's no one else who will take a report of a crime?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wish one single person had reported something in 40 years.

THIS. I feel for these girls, now women. But why oh why couldn't they have reported this EARLIER?? Then, perhaps, this guy could have been prosecuted. The worst that will happen to him is that his political career is ruined.

Exactly. WaPo needs their candidate to win.
No matter what.

No matter how many little girls the other guy attacked, the WaPo candidate must win. Got it.

Never mind that someone who professes to support democracy should not be supporting a theocratic who believes that biblical law trumps case law and statutes..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Everyone always doubts the victim" is a blatant LIE.
Don't be a ridiculous LIAR.

Do you sincerely not believe that/understand how victims are doubted?

The public opinion interrogations of these and similar victims tells you what you need to know, essentially rationalizing the assault/misconduct:
-“she had been drinking”
-“what was she wearing?”
-“if this was real, she would have reported it years ago”
-“but he has such great swim times”

And on and on and on.

DP here. As far as the bolded goes, people would be A LOT less likely to doubt someone who didn't wait 40 years to report a sexual assault. I don't doubt these women. But I understand how others might, given the DECADES that have passed. People are far more likely to believe a victim if the victim reports the crime immediately. And that goes for any kind of crime, not just sexual assault. Don't we want to prosecute these people? THEN REPORT!!!

I feel that you’ve missed the larger point, which is that People, societally, always doubt the victims. Doesn’t matter if they report ASAP.

I completely disagree. Society almost always sides with the victims, not the accused. Which is mostly fair - until someone is accused falsely and his life is ruined. Of course, that doesn't seem to be the case with Roy Moore, but it's certainly been the case before.

[Anonymous]

If so many people knew about these crimes, why didn't a single one of them ever mention it in writing?

You know... a paper trail??

Nothing. Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wish one single person had reported something in 40 years.

THIS. I feel for these girls, now women. But why oh why couldn't they have reported this EARLIER?? Then, perhaps, this guy could have been prosecuted. The worst that will happen to him is that his political career is ruined.

Exactly. WaPo needs their candidate to win.
No matter what.

You are a shameless white man. Maybe your daughter or wife should have suffered some of the assault from Moore. I bet you won't believe them and root for Moore. You are a vile man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Everyone always doubts the victim" is a blatant LIE.
Don't be a ridiculous LIAR.

Do you sincerely not believe that/understand how victims are doubted?

The public opinion interrogations of these and similar victims tells you what you need to know, essentially rationalizing the assault/misconduct:
-“she had been drinking”
-“what was she wearing?”
-“if this was real, she would have reported it years ago”
-“but he has such great swim times”

And on and on and on.

DP here. As far as the bolded goes, people would be A LOT less likely to doubt someone who didn't wait 40 years to report a sexual assault. I don't doubt these women. But I understand how others might, given the DECADES that have passed. People are far more likely to believe a victim if the victim reports the crime immediately. And that goes for any kind of crime, not just sexual assault. Don't we want to prosecute these people? THEN REPORT!!!

I feel that you’ve missed the larger point, which is that People, societally, always doubt the victims. Doesn’t matter if they report ASAP.

I completely disagree. Society almost always sides with the victims, not the accused. Which is mostly fair - until someone is accused falsely and his life is ruined. Of course, that doesn't seem to be the case with Roy Moore, but it's certainly been the case before.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Everyone always doubts the victim" is a blatant LIE.
Don't be a ridiculous LIAR.

Do you sincerely not believe that/understand how victims are doubted?

The public opinion interrogations of these and similar victims tells you what you need to know, essentially rationalizing the assault/misconduct:
-“she had been drinking”
-“what was she wearing?”
-“if this was real, she would have reported it years ago”
-“but he has such great swim times”

And on and on and on.

DP here. As far as the bolded goes, people would be A LOT less likely to doubt someone who didn't wait 40 years to report a sexual assault. I don't doubt these women. But I understand how others might, given the DECADES that have passed. People are far more likely to believe a victim if the victim reports the crime immediately. And that goes for any kind of crime, not just sexual assault. Don't we want to prosecute these people? THEN REPORT!!!

I feel that you’ve missed the larger point, which is that People, societally, always doubt the victims. Doesn’t matter if they report ASAP.

I completely disagree. Society almost always sides with the victims, not the accused. Which is mostly fair - until someone is accused falsely and his life is ruined. Of course, that doesn't seem to be the case with Roy Moore, but it's certainly been the case before.

Well we agree to disagree. I think *recently* there has been more work to advocate for victims and for the tide to shift to the larger public believing them. And false accusations of sexual assault do happen, but are rare. 5-8% of reports or less. Consider how many stories we’ve heard of people who have never reported. There is a greater false accusation rate for other crimes, but people don’t get nearly as worked up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
If so many people knew about these crimes, why didn't a single one of them ever mention it in writing?

You know... a paper trail??

Nothing. Why?

Some victims don’t tell anyone, even close confidants, and when they do tell they may insist on the confidence of the friends or family they tell.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a0724e5e4b0cc46c52e6ae6

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
If so many people knew about these crimes, why didn't a single one of them ever mention it in writing?

You know... a paper trail??

Nothing. Why?

You're defending a child molester. Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wish one single person had reported something in 40 years.

THIS. I feel for these girls, now women. But why oh why couldn't they have reported this EARLIER?? Then, perhaps, this guy could have been prosecuted. The worst that will happen to him is that his political career is ruined.

If you can’t had it happen to you, you will never understand. That there is often a significant power imbalance. A child vs an adult. A powerful member of the community vs a kid. That if you are never had a sexual relationship, and you live in a culture where talking about sex is taboo, you may not understand at the time what just happened. That you are embarrassed to talk about it or you may not know how to talk about it, or who it is safe to talk to, Especially if sex isn’t talked about openly in your family or in your society. That you are ashamed that you were treated that way. That you are afraid you won’t be believed. That’s you are afraid you could get in trouble. That you are afraid that you might somehow be to blame. That you are completely humiliated Sexual abuse is emotionally complicated in a way other crimes are not. And if you add in religious beliefs that make encourage sexual repression and a power imbalance, it is even worse. So you push it down and try to forget it happened. But it just doesn’t go away.

I was molested as a tween. I was brought up in a conservative religious environment in the south, and we did not talk about sex. Ever. It took me 25 years to tell a therapist. In my mid 40s, my husband, my mother and my sister know, plus my BFF of 20 years know I was molested. But I still can’t talk about the details out loud. And if my abuser was running for office, I doubt I would be brave enough to come forward. And even if I was, I would hesitate, since I now have children, and I would not want them to have to deal with knowing.

A lot of people are telling you that I’m many cases it just is not as easy as a 12 or 13 or 14 year old telling mom and calling the police. Maybe rather than telling victims how they should feel, and what they should have done, listen when they tell you that sexual assault can be very different than other crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just wish one single person had reported something in 40 years.

THIS. I feel for these girls, now women. But why oh why couldn't they have reported this EARLIER?? Then, perhaps, this guy could have been prosecuted. The worst that will happen to him is that his political career is ruined.

If you can’t had it happen to you, you will never understand. That there is often a significant power imbalance. A child vs an adult. A powerful member of the community vs a kid. That if you are never had a sexual relationship, and you live in a culture where talking about sex is taboo, you may not understand at the time what just happened. That you are embarrassed to talk about it or you may not know how to talk about it, or who it is safe to talk to, Especially if sex isn’t talked about openly in your family or in your society. That you are ashamed that you were treated that way. That you are afraid you won’t be believed. That’s you are afraid you could get in trouble. That you are afraid that you might somehow be to blame. That you are completely humiliated Sexual abuse is emotionally complicated in a way other crimes are not. And if you add in religious beliefs that make encourage sexual repression and a power imbalance, it is even worse. So you push it down and try to forget it happened. But it just doesn’t go away.

I was molested as a tween. I was brought up in a conservative religious environment in the south, and we did not talk about sex. Ever. It took me 25 years to tell a therapist. In my mid 40s, my husband, my mother and my sister know, plus my BFF of 20 years know I was molested. But I still can’t talk about the details out loud. And if my abuser was running for office, I doubt I would be brave enough to come forward. And even if I was, I would hesitate, since I now have children, and I would not want them to have to deal with knowing.

A lot of people are telling you that I’m many cases it just is not as easy as a 12 or 13 or 14 year old telling mom and calling the police. Maybe rather than telling victims how they should feel, and what they should have done, listen when they tell you that sexual assault can be very different than other crimes.

PP, I'm sorry you had to go through this.