Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I heard some Bethesda parents are going to propose an alternative option where no DCC students attend Woodward and a new consortium is formed that consists of Whitman, WJ, Churchill, Wootton, RM, BCC, and Woodward.

How would that address overcrowding in the DCC? Isn’t that one of the main problems here?

They will demand that MCPS buy land in the DCC and build yet another high school. Knowing of course they will protest the massive tax increase needed to do that.

A little late for that too. Where were they when this was discussed previously? Any new builds will factor into the next boundary study.

They do not care. they don't actually want a new high school, they just want to hoard Woodward all for themselves, DCC kids be damned

I think you need a straw man.
This is not grounded in reality even if you manage to find some small group that says BS things like that.
Woodward reopening has always been for overcrowding and WJ and DCC and has clearly been expected to have impacts on boundaries all over a large part of the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Pretty much.
Caveat: Options 2 and 4 send the south side of Garrett Park to WJ ( the handful of homes on the south side of Strathmore). Town of GP, as small as it is, getting broken up.

Please! The 300K post was most likely trolling and you actually agree with that alarmist nonsense.

First of all, WJ today is not some amazing school that drives property values. It is weaker than other W schools and not much better than, for example, Richard Montgomery that has similar demographics to Woodward options 1,2 and 4.

Second, it is not all about the quality of high schools. Garret Park and Tilden will still have mostly the same teachers and same kids going there. So if parents were happy with what they were getting with these two schools before, there is no reason to suddenly completely turn their backs. Even more importantly, Garret Park and Tilden neighborhoods are very safe and walkable, a rare combination that will not change with the new school.

Every responsible new home buyer in the last two years knew that the rezoning is coming and that for some neighborhoods (for example Old Georgetown Village and Timberlawn) it will be a miracle not to end up in the new HS. And yet, home prices in that area went up by more than 15%.

Sorry, Tilden and GP will be home to Barrio 18

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon. [/quote]

Is that true if options other than 3? Because I don’t think MCPS can afford 3 so likey it will be off the table [/quote]

Yes, because Woodward will be more than 30-47% FARMS in any scenario. Huge difference compared to a W school. At the very best, it will be another QO. At the worst, it will be another Einstein (and actually, Einstein would be the better school).[/quote]

Is your school Spanish immersion? If so, that stinks

What do people have against medium-FARMS schools? Like, I get why folks would be nervous about high FARMS schools (and why white families might be hesitant about schools that are less than 10% white), but are there reasons (besides racism-- trying to give people the benefit of the doubt here) that medium FARMS schools with racial diversity reflective of the county are a problem too? We are a white middle-class family in a medium-FARMS elementary focus school with about 30% white kids, currently zoned for middle and high schools with similar demographics, and it all seems pretty great so far to us. Genuinely wondering why it would be so terrible for Woodward to be medium-FARMS instead of low-FARMS?[/quote]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Is that true if options other than 3? Because I don’t think MCPS can afford 3 so likey it will be off the table

Yes, because Woodward will be more than 30-47% FARMS in any scenario. Huge difference compared to a W school. At the very best, it will be another QO. At the worst, it will be another Einstein (and actually, Einstein would be the better school).

30% FARMS is not the same as 47% FARMS. To be precise, Options 1 and 4 are approximately 33% FARMS. Compared to 20% FARMS that is currently at WJ, it is hardly the end of the world and reason for home value collapse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Is that true if options other than 3? Because I don’t think MCPS can afford 3 so likey it will be off the table

Yes, because Woodward will be more than 30-47% FARMS in any scenario. Huge difference compared to a W school. At the very best, it will be another QO. At the worst, it will be another Einstein (and actually, Einstein would be the better school).

What do people have against medium-FARMS schools? Like, I get why folks would be nervous about high FARMS schools (and why white families might be hesitant about schools that are less than 10% white), but are there reasons (besides racism-- trying to give people the benefit of the doubt here) that medium FARMS schools with racial diversity reflective of the county are a problem too? We are a white middle-class family in a medium-FARMS elementary focus school with about 30% white kids, currently zoned for middle and high schools with similar demographics, and it all seems pretty great so far to us. Genuinely wondering why it would be so terrible for Woodward to be medium-FARMS instead of low-FARMS?

Similar situation and perspective to yours. I don’t think everyone feels that way, but for those who do it’s not a good look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Is that true if options other than 3? Because I don’t think MCPS can afford 3 so likey it will be off the table

Yes, because Woodward will be more than 30-47% FARMS in any scenario. Huge difference compared to a W school. At the very best, it will be another QO. At the worst, it will be another Einstein (and actually, Einstein would be the better school).

30% FARMS is not the same as 47% FARMS. To be precise, Options 1 and 4 are approximately 33% FARMS. Compared to 20% FARMS that is currently at WJ, it is hardly the end of the world and reason for home value collapse

Again, no one is objecting to 30% FARMS. They are objecting to being bused out to faraway places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I heard some Bethesda parents are going to propose an alternative option where no DCC students attend Woodward and a new consortium is formed that consists of Whitman, WJ, Churchill, Wootton, RM, BCC, and Woodward.

How would that address overcrowding in the DCC? Isn’t that one of the main problems here?

They will demand that MCPS buy land in the DCC and build yet another high school. Knowing of course they will protest the massive tax increase needed to do that.

A little late for that too. Where were they when this was discussed previously? Any new builds will factor into the next boundary study.

They do not care. they don't actually want a new high school, they just want to hoard Woodward all for themselves, DCC kids be damned

I think you need a straw man.
This is not grounded in reality even if you manage to find some small group that says BS things like that.
Woodward reopening has always been for overcrowding and WJ and DCC and has clearly been expected to have impacts on boundaries all over a large part of the county.

I have seen people IRL complaining about how the FARMS rate at WJ will rise. As though certain MCPS schools are somehow reserved for certain people. Vomit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard some Bethesda parents are going to propose an alternative option where no DCC students attend Woodward and a new consortium is formed that consists of Whitman, WJ, Churchill, Wootton, RM, BCC, and Woodward.

How would that address overcrowding in the DCC? Isn’t that one of the main problems here?

They will demand that MCPS buy land in the DCC and build yet another high school. Knowing of course they will protest the massive tax increase needed to do that.

A little late for that too. Where were they when this was discussed previously? Any new builds will factor into the next boundary study.

They do not care. they don't actually want a new high school, they just want to hoard Woodward all for themselves, DCC kids be damned

I think you need a straw man.
This is not grounded in reality even if you manage to find some small group that says BS things like that.
Woodward reopening has always been for overcrowding and WJ and DCC and has clearly been expected to have impacts on boundaries all over a large part of the county.

I have seen people IRL complaining about how the FARMS rate at WJ will rise. As though certain MCPS schools are somehow reserved for certain people. Vomit.

Again, straw man. You need to be morally superior and to vomit on the internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard some Bethesda parents are going to propose an alternative option where no DCC students attend Woodward and a new consortium is formed that consists of Whitman, WJ, Churchill, Wootton, RM, BCC, and Woodward.

How would that address overcrowding in the DCC? Isn’t that one of the main problems here?

They will demand that MCPS buy land in the DCC and build yet another high school. Knowing of course they will protest the massive tax increase needed to do that.

A little late for that too. Where were they when this was discussed previously? Any new builds will factor into the next boundary study.

They do not care. they don't actually want a new high school, they just want to hoard Woodward all for themselves, DCC kids be damned

I think you need a straw man.
This is not grounded in reality even if you manage to find some small group that says BS things like that.
Woodward reopening has always been for overcrowding and WJ and DCC and has clearly been expected to have impacts on boundaries all over a large part of the county.

I have seen people IRL complaining about how the FARMS rate at WJ will rise. As though certain MCPS schools are somehow reserved for certain people. Vomit.

I am zoned to Einstein. We bought our house in 1998 and have seen FARMS rate steadily rise for our ES, MS, and HS. I have complained about it. Call me a racist, I don't care. We decided to go private for HS for our two youngest after watching MCPS circle the drain for years. We considered moving to WJ. Just didn't seem worth it. WJ has 19% FARMS. I get why those parents don't want it any higher. It is okay for them to advocate for their school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Is that true if options other than 3? Because I don’t think MCPS can afford 3 so likey it will be off the table

Yes, because Woodward will be more than 30-47% FARMS in any scenario. Huge difference compared to a W school. At the very best, it will be another QO. At the worst, it will be another Einstein (and actually, Einstein would be the better school).

What do people have against medium-FARMS schools? Like, I get why folks would be nervous about high FARMS schools (and why white families might be hesitant about schools that are less than 10% white), but are there reasons (besides racism-- trying to give people the benefit of the doubt here) that medium FARMS schools with racial diversity reflective of the county are a problem too? We are a white middle-class family in a medium-FARMS elementary focus school with about 30% white kids, currently zoned for middle and high schools with similar demographics, and it all seems pretty great so far to us. Genuinely wondering why it would be so terrible for Woodward to be medium-FARMS instead of low-FARMS?

Similar situation and perspective to yours. I don’t think everyone feels that way, but for those who do it’s not a good look.

you chose your crappy neighborhood so I'm glad you feel good about it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard some Bethesda parents are going to propose an alternative option where no DCC students attend Woodward and a new consortium is formed that consists of Whitman, WJ, Churchill, Wootton, RM, BCC, and Woodward.

How would that address overcrowding in the DCC? Isn’t that one of the main problems here?

They will demand that MCPS buy land in the DCC and build yet another high school. Knowing of course they will protest the massive tax increase needed to do that.

A little late for that too. Where were they when this was discussed previously? Any new builds will factor into the next boundary study.

They do not care. they don't actually want a new high school, they just want to hoard Woodward all for themselves, DCC kids be damned

I think you need a straw man.
This is not grounded in reality even if you manage to find some small group that says BS things like that.
Woodward reopening has always been for overcrowding and WJ and DCC and has clearly been expected to have impacts on boundaries all over a large part of the county.

I have seen people IRL complaining about how the FARMS rate at WJ will rise. As though certain MCPS schools are somehow reserved for certain people. Vomit.

I am zoned to Einstein. We bought our house in 1998 and have seen FARMS rate steadily rise for our ES, MS, and HS. I have complained about it. Call me a racist, I don't care. We decided to go private for HS for our two youngest after watching MCPS circle the drain for years. We considered moving to WJ. Just didn't seem worth it. WJ has 19% FARMS. I get why those parents don't want it any higher. It is okay for them to advocate for their school.

Thank you. We aren't the crazy ones. It's about to get real competitive to get into the private schools. We should lobby for vouchers...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I heard some Bethesda parents are going to propose an alternative option where no DCC students attend Woodward and a new consortium is formed that consists of Whitman, WJ, Churchill, Wootton, RM, BCC, and Woodward.

How would that address overcrowding in the DCC? Isn’t that one of the main problems here?

They will demand that MCPS buy land in the DCC and build yet another high school. Knowing of course they will protest the massive tax increase needed to do that.

A little late for that too. Where were they when this was discussed previously? Any new builds will factor into the next boundary study.

They do not care. they don't actually want a new high school, they just want to hoard Woodward all for themselves, DCC kids be damned

I think you need a straw man.
This is not grounded in reality even if you manage to find some small group that says BS things like that.
Woodward reopening has always been for overcrowding and WJ and DCC and has clearly been expected to have impacts on boundaries all over a large part of the county.

I have seen people IRL complaining about how the FARMS rate at WJ will rise. As though certain MCPS schools are somehow reserved for certain people. Vomit.

I am zoned to Einstein. We bought our house in 1998 and have seen FARMS rate steadily rise for our ES, MS, and HS. I have complained about it. Call me a racist, I don't care. We decided to go private for HS for our two youngest after watching MCPS circle the drain for years. We considered moving to WJ. Just didn't seem worth it. WJ has 19% FARMS. I get why those parents don't want it any higher. It is okay for them to advocate for their school.

To whom?

[Anonymous]

Yes, come to our sanctuary state. All of you. We are welcoming. Yes, come to our schools! We will even offer all classes in Spanish! You make our education system better!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Pretty much.
Caveat: Options 2 and 4 send the south side of Garrett Park to WJ ( the handful of homes on the south side of Strathmore). Town of GP, as small as it is, getting broken up.

Please! The 300K post was most likely trolling and you actually agree with that alarmist nonsense.

First of all, WJ today is not some amazing school that drives property values. It is weaker than other W schools and not much better than, for example, Richard Montgomery that has similar demographics to Woodward options 1,2 and 4.

Second, it is not all about the quality of high schools. Garret Park and Tilden will still have mostly the same teachers and same kids going there. So if parents were happy with what they were getting with these two schools before, there is no reason to suddenly completely turn their backs. Even more importantly, Garret Park and Tilden neighborhoods are very safe and walkable, a rare combination that will not change with the new school.

Every responsible new home buyer in the last two years knew that the rezoning is coming and that for some neighborhoods (for example Old Georgetown Village and Timberlawn) it will be a miracle not to end up in the new HS. And yet, home prices in that area went up by more than 15%.

You are delusional. There are safe and walkable neighborhoods zoned to Crown, Blair, Einstein, and plenty of others, and they’re worth less than GP and Tilden—even those that are closer to DC. They can be up to $400k cheaper, and the reason is clearly a difference in schools. People paid for a W in GP and Tilden, and if they are zoned to a school with QO or current Einstein demographics performance, their property values will reflect that. In some options, homes zoned to Einstein may end up with better property values than those zoned to Woodward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Is that true if options other than 3? Because I don’t think MCPS can afford 3 so likey it will be off the table

Yes, because Woodward will be more than 30-47% FARMS in any scenario. Huge difference compared to a W school. At the very best, it will be another QO. At the worst, it will be another Einstein (and actually, Einstein would be the better school).

What do people have against medium-FARMS schools? Like, I get why folks would be nervous about high FARMS schools (and why white families might be hesitant about schools that are less than 10% white), but are there reasons (besides racism-- trying to give people the benefit of the doubt here) that medium FARMS schools with racial diversity reflective of the county are a problem too? We are a white middle-class family in a medium-FARMS elementary focus school with about 30% white kids, currently zoned for middle and high schools with similar demographics, and it all seems pretty great so far to us. Genuinely wondering why it would be so terrible for Woodward to be medium-FARMS instead of low-FARMS?

People are upset their property values might go down. Regardless of whether individuals are racist, home values in MoCo differ in part due to perceived school quality and fears about Black and Latino youth.

People are upset that their kids might be in school with kids and families who do not prioritize school and learning in general. Look at some of the truency rates in our county. Peers matter in school. Very valid concerns here.