ICE preparing raids in NOVA

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

And this is where this country messed up and jumped the shark. It started in the 60’s and 70’s when refugees from Asia escaping war immigrated here. They were provided with various types of financial assistance as well as SBA loans. These were loans and assistance that were not readily made available to Americans. Fast forward and that financial assistance grew more over the years until now migrants/refugees are provided free housing, food stamps, health care, schooling, education tutoring, and even clothing in some areas of the country.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

Wrong. They do not have legal status. They can still be deported elsewhere precisely because they do not have legal status.
Grandma isn't getting deported because she is brown. Grandma is getting deported because she broke the law.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

Wrong. They do not have legal status. They can still be deported elsewhere precisely because they do not have legal status.
Grandma isn't getting deported because she is brown. Grandma is getting deported because she broke the law.

You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. A person with WIR does have status. They have an EAD. They’re in the system. It’s not a path to citizenship but they are in the country LEGALLY.

You MAGA people are so dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t send us your tired, your poor.
Keep your own huddled masses — they don’t need to breathe free.
We don’t want your wretched refuse and don’t care about your teaming shore
Don’t send these
homeless tempest tossed to us
We’ve turned off our lamp
and shut our golden door.

First, a poem written by a 19th century woman doesn’t set immigration policy. Next, our country has gone through multiple cycles of high immigration and then decades where it is slowed. Next, we have radically changed our country since 1965 through admission of millions and millions of “huddled masses.” At this point in our economy, we need to educate and encourage our own citizens to work in the diminishing number of low tech jobs. We have people who are chronically unemployed and on welfare/disability, substance abusing, etc. and then import people to do basic jobs. We also import a huge number of students and white collar workers when our own STEM graduates are underemployed and AI job cuts are being announced by major companies. At a certain point , we need to focus on our own citizens before the fantasy that we can rescue every person in the world who wants to come here.

I have to agree with all of this. Does this make me a Republican now?

Welcome to the Republican party. MAGA

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

Wrong. They do not have legal status. They can still be deported elsewhere precisely because they do not have legal status.
Grandma isn't getting deported because she is brown. Grandma is getting deported because she broke the law.

You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. A person with WIR does have status. They have an EAD. They’re in the system. It’s not a path to citizenship but they are in the country LEGALLY.

You MAGA people are so dumb.

They are here illegally. Withholding of removal is only for if they cannot be safely deported to their home country. They are still here illegally and thus will be deported to a third country. This is why Kilmar Abrego Garcia is currently trying to stay in jail while he waits for trial on those human trafficking charges. If he gets released on bond, he can be picked up and deported to anywhere but El Salvador.
If he sets foot outside of that jail, he would probably be on the next plane to Rwanda.

You sound like the dumb one here.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

What is morally wrong is breaking the law.
What is ethically wrong is bringing children into a limbo situation and having them grow up in the shadows of society.
These people are aware they are taking risks and gambled on the outcome.
The resonsibility for that failure should not be borne by society - although I would argue that the unethical employers of such people should continue to subsidize their lives abroad as they get resettled in their homelands. It is part of their responsibility for hiring outside of the legal system. A company can't simply benefit from the cheap labor without recognizing their social responsibility in luring them here.

Jesus H, for one thing is is not morally wrong to break the law if the law is immoral and unethical. At this point no maga can ever call himself or herself a Christian again. Please, no one wants your hate in a church.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

What is morally wrong is breaking the law.
What is ethically wrong is bringing children into a limbo situation and having them grow up in the shadows of society.
These people are aware they are taking risks and gambled on the outcome.
The resonsibility for that failure should not be borne by society - although I would argue that the unethical employers of such people should continue to subsidize their lives abroad as they get resettled in their homelands. It is part of their responsibility for hiring outside of the legal system. A company can't simply benefit from the cheap labor without recognizing their social responsibility in luring them here.

Jesus H, for one thing is is not morally wrong to break the law if the law is immoral and unethical. At this point no maga can ever call himself or herself a Christian again. Please, no one wants your hate in a church.

Having borders is not immoral or unethical.
Stop bringing up religion when it suits your position. Let's have Christianity guide laws on LGBT and abortion then.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

What is morally wrong is breaking the law.
What is ethically wrong is bringing children into a limbo situation and having them grow up in the shadows of society.
These people are aware they are taking risks and gambled on the outcome.
The resonsibility for that failure should not be borne by society - although I would argue that the unethical employers of such people should continue to subsidize their lives abroad as they get resettled in their homelands. It is part of their responsibility for hiring outside of the legal system. A company can't simply benefit from the cheap labor without recognizing their social responsibility in luring them here.

Jesus H, for one thing is is not morally wrong to break the law if the law is immoral and unethical. At this point no maga can ever call himself or herself a Christian again. Please, no one wants your hate in a church.

In a democracy, deciding individually which laws are moral or ethical and thereafter ignoring those you don't like is merely anarchy. Instead, you vote. If the people who are elected fail to support your preferred laws, you're just out of luck. Vote again next time, lobby for your preferred candidates and policy positions. If you decide you're just not going to obey laws which don't suit you, you are by definition a criminal, not a freedom fighter, not a holier-than-thou saint of some kind, and not morally superior to the will of the people as expressed through their elected representatives.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

This tired rhetoric of calling someone a racist because they disagree with you has to stop. That is not what is going on and plenty of white immigrants are in the same position of facing deportation because of their illegal behavior. Just because we share a border with Mexico and below Mexico is South America and it's easier for them to walk in illegally does not mean that that Americans are against brown people. Give it up. Those of us who care are simply not fond of our communities and culture being changed in a decade because the US has decided laws don't matter to immigrants. Enough already.

+1. When PPs first and only comeback is to scream racism, she’s already lost the conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

What is morally wrong is breaking the law.
What is ethically wrong is bringing children into a limbo situation and having them grow up in the shadows of society.
These people are aware they are taking risks and gambled on the outcome.
The resonsibility for that failure should not be borne by society - although I would argue that the unethical employers of such people should continue to subsidize their lives abroad as they get resettled in their homelands. It is part of their responsibility for hiring outside of the legal system. A company can't simply benefit from the cheap labor without recognizing their social responsibility in luring them here.

Jesus H, for one thing is is not morally wrong to break the law if the law is immoral and unethical. At this point no maga can ever call himself or herself a Christian again. Please, no one wants your hate in a church.

You cannot make up your own laws and decide when you follow them. If that were the case we would have to set every murdered free from jail.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

What is morally wrong is breaking the law.
What is ethically wrong is bringing children into a limbo situation and having them grow up in the shadows of society.
These people are aware they are taking risks and gambled on the outcome.
The resonsibility for that failure should not be borne by society - although I would argue that the unethical employers of such people should continue to subsidize their lives abroad as they get resettled in their homelands. It is part of their responsibility for hiring outside of the legal system. A company can't simply benefit from the cheap labor without recognizing their social responsibility in luring them here.

Jesus H, for one thing is is not morally wrong to break the law if the law is immoral and unethical. At this point no maga can ever call himself or herself a Christian again. Please, no one wants your hate in a church.

In a democracy, deciding individually which laws are moral or ethical and thereafter ignoring those you don't like is merely anarchy. Instead, you vote. If the people who are elected fail to support your preferred laws, you're just out of luck. Vote again next time, lobby for your preferred candidates and policy positions. If you decide you're just not going to obey laws which don't suit you, you are by definition a criminal, not a freedom fighter, not a holier-than-thou saint of some kind, and not morally superior to the will of the people as expressed through their elected representatives.

Slavery was legal.

Marrying 12 year olds was legal.

Separate water fountains were legal.

You are disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

What is morally wrong is breaking the law.
What is ethically wrong is bringing children into a limbo situation and having them grow up in the shadows of society.
These people are aware they are taking risks and gambled on the outcome.
The resonsibility for that failure should not be borne by society - although I would argue that the unethical employers of such people should continue to subsidize their lives abroad as they get resettled in their homelands. It is part of their responsibility for hiring outside of the legal system. A company can't simply benefit from the cheap labor without recognizing their social responsibility in luring them here.

Jesus H, for one thing is is not morally wrong to break the law if the law is immoral and unethical. At this point no maga can ever call himself or herself a Christian again. Please, no one wants your hate in a church.

Having borders is not immoral or unethical.
Stop bringing up religion when it suits your position. Let's have Christianity guide laws on LGBT and abortion then.

Which part of the Bible? The one where judgment is for god? The one that preached tolerance and kindness? To love the sinner but not the sin?

Or the hateful intolerance of the modern maga Jesus?

My god, you people are awful.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad about illegal people being deported but at the same time they didn't follow the rules. Mixed feelings about it.

Did your ancestors follow any "rules?"

DP. Pretty sure they did. They for sure were not handed food stamps or housing.

People who “followed the rules” are getting thrown in immigration detention left and right. People who filed their paperwork and were granted protection in the form of withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture. People who have lived in this country and paid their taxes and never committed a crime for DECADES.

You really have very little understanding of what is actually going on.

People are getting thrown in detention left and right because they didn't follow the rules. Withholding of removal applies to a specific country. They can now be deported to a third country.

People who lived here for decades without permission should be thankful they got that time here but that isn't and shouldn't be a free pass to stay once caught. Not breaking any additional laws and paying taxes is the least they can do while breaking our entry and residency laws.

No. They have broken no rules. They timely applied for asylum, following the rules. They were granted withholding of removal because an immigration judge found that they would face serious harm if returned to their home country. They have lived here for decades, always following the check in rules, paying taxes, being good neighbors. They’re not being “caught” breaking some rule.

Yes, they can be deported to a third country because withholding just says we can’t return them to the home country that they fled because they faced serious harm. We can deport them to a third country where they often have no ties, don’t speak the language, have no family. We as a nation CAN do this. Ripping people away from their children, their grandchildren.

But WHY would we do this? These are productive members of our society that we have offered protection. Why would we send them away?

Yes. They have broken rules if they are in detention. Either they entered illegally and then claimed defensive asylum. Or they overstayed their visa, were caught and claimed defensive asylum. They broke the rules at some point

We do not have to separate them from their families. The entire family can go together. When they arrive here they don't speak the language and often don't have any family. They can start again the same way in a third country.

As for why we should deport people who don't follow the rules, well that's why we have millions of people here illegally now. We've looked the other way for decades and created a sense of lawlessness and entitlement to our country from foreigners. They are marching in our streets and protesting being deported after breaking our laws. They should have protested their own leaders in their home country the way they're complaining here now.

"They broke the rules at some point" / "they don't speak the language" / "lawlessness and entitlement from foreigners" ... lol. Just admit that you hate brown people.

Someone with withholding of removal or protection under the convention against torture has legal status in this country. Grabbing grandma who has American citizen children and American citizen grandchildren, who has lived here for 40 years and who is a productive member of society, and deporting her to some random other country because she has brown skin, is morally wrong and unAmerican. Some of us - many of us - are better than that.

I guess you're not.

What is morally wrong is breaking the law.
What is ethically wrong is bringing children into a limbo situation and having them grow up in the shadows of society.
These people are aware they are taking risks and gambled on the outcome.
The resonsibility for that failure should not be borne by society - although I would argue that the unethical employers of such people should continue to subsidize their lives abroad as they get resettled in their homelands. It is part of their responsibility for hiring outside of the legal system. A company can't simply benefit from the cheap labor without recognizing their social responsibility in luring them here.

Jesus H, for one thing is is not morally wrong to break the law if the law is immoral and unethical. At this point no maga can ever call himself or herself a Christian again. Please, no one wants your hate in a church.

You cannot make up your own laws and decide when you follow them. If that were the case we would have to set every murdered free from jail.

No one said that.

[Anonymous]

The Cato Institute, an organization that I don't usually agree with, has an excellent section on their website about the problems with the current immigration policy.

Here's one on immigrants' use of welfare vs. those born in the US:

https://www.cato.org/immigration-research-policy-brief/immigration-welfare-state-immigrant-native-use-rates-benefit

[Anonymous]

And here's a broader view of their articles about why we should expand and deregulate immigration: https://www.cato.org/immigration