Tell an opinion you have that is in the strong minority

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

Well good - at least you're honest about that. Because feminism, in my book, includes celebrating the many choices women have and their ability to go after the one that works for them.

So all the 1950s housewives were feminists, or you're a feminist because you could use your education for paid employment, yet choose not to do so?

1950s housewives didn't have the opportunities that we do today, so staying home with one's children really wasn't a choice. It was expected. Nowadays, however, women can choose to do or be whatever they want to. That's what feminism is supposed to celebrate - equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay. I can go to school, get a good education, work, have children, continue working, decide to stay home with my kids, return to work later, or not. Who are you, or anyone else, to tell women who choose to be home with children that their choice is somehow invalid? That makes you an anti-feminist, in my book. Women are supposed to support other women, not tear them down. Guess you didn't get the memo.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Ok. So it's unfair to the children to have a parent in the home caring for them? So your kids are better off in day care than they are with you? Speak for yourself pp. if that's how you honestly feel, why not put them up for adoption? That's your logic, right, it's unfair to the kids to be at home with mom (or dad)?

You're so stupid it's painful.

Maybe you're right. Maybe in your case the kids are better off at day care. You're so angry over my confusion with your logic that you call names and refuse to elaborate.

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It's interesting how people with no argument resort to name calling in a pathetic attempt to remain valid. Seems there are a whole lot of sad, unhappy, mean women out there. And on this thread, none of them are SAHMs.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

Well good - at least you're honest about that. Because feminism, in my book, includes celebrating the many choices women have and their ability to go after the one that works for them.

So all the 1950s housewives were feminists, or you're a feminist because you could use your education for paid employment, yet choose not to do so?

1950s housewives didn't have the opportunities that we do today, so staying home with one's children really wasn't a choice. It was expected. Nowadays, however, women can choose to do or be whatever they want to. That's what feminism is supposed to celebrate - equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay. I can go to school, get a good education, work, have children, continue working, decide to stay home with my kids, return to work later, or not. Who are you, or anyone else, to tell women who choose to be home with children that their choice is somehow invalid? That makes you an anti-feminist, in my book. Women are supposed to support other women, not tear them down. Guess you didn't get the memo.

Does your husband have all those freedoms too? Or is he expected to just foot the bill while you do whatever you want?

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Anonymous wrote:Working mom: you need anger management.

Take a mental health day off from work.

Find a hobby.

Relax.

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I can't remember the last time I've heard such animosity from working moms. Pretty scary.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

Well good - at least you're honest about that. Because feminism, in my book, includes celebrating the many choices women have and their ability to go after the one that works for them.

So all the 1950s housewives were feminists, or you're a feminist because you could use your education for paid employment, yet choose not to do so?

1950s housewives didn't have the opportunities that we do today, so staying home with one's children really wasn't a choice. It was expected. Nowadays, however, women can choose to do or be whatever they want to. That's what feminism is supposed to celebrate - equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay. I can go to school, get a good education, work, have children, continue working, decide to stay home with my kids, return to work later, or not. Who are you, or anyone else, to tell women who choose to be home with children that their choice is somehow invalid? That makes you an anti-feminist, in my book. Women are supposed to support other women, not tear them down. Guess you didn't get the memo.

Does your husband have all those freedoms too? Or is he expected to just foot the bill while you do whatever you want?

My husband - a feminist, by the way! - doesn't consider himself to be "footing the bill". Very telling that you would look at it that way. We're a team and look at our life that way. He's happy doing what he does and is also happy knowing I'm doing what I choose to do, which is take care of our kids. Why are you so concerned about other people's lives and marriage dynamics? How about you worry about your own?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

Well good - at least you're honest about that. Because feminism, in my book, includes celebrating the many choices women have and their ability to go after the one that works for them.

So all the 1950s housewives were feminists, or you're a feminist because you could use your education for paid employment, yet choose not to do so?

1950s housewives didn't have the opportunities that we do today, so staying home with one's children really wasn't a choice. It was expected. Nowadays, however, women can choose to do or be whatever they want to. That's what feminism is supposed to celebrate - equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay. I can go to school, get a good education, work, have children, continue working, decide to stay home with my kids, return to work later, or not. Who are you, or anyone else, to tell women who choose to be home with children that their choice is somehow invalid? That makes you an anti-feminist, in my book. Women are supposed to support other women, not tear them down. Guess you didn't get the memo.

Does your husband have all those freedoms too? Or is he expected to just foot the bill while you do whatever you want?

I don't about pp's husband, but my husband appreciates what I do, and we are married, so he's not footing the bill (how sad that you view marriage that way). He's happy that I take care of our son, keep the house taken care of, make dinner each night, do the errands, and that he can relax when he gets home instead of working a second job because nothing got done while we were both at work all day. His outlook is like mine- we take care of each other.

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Damn. SAHMs - consider yourself lucky to have this choice. My husband passed and I'm working and trying to be the best mom I can. Please don't make me feel guilty that I can't stay home. I wish I could.

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

Well good - at least you're honest about that. Because feminism, in my book, includes celebrating the many choices women have and their ability to go after the one that works for them.

So all the 1950s housewives were feminists, or you're a feminist because you could use your education for paid employment, yet choose not to do so?

1950s housewives didn't have the opportunities that we do today, so staying home with one's children really wasn't a choice. It was expected. Nowadays, however, women can choose to do or be whatever they want to. That's what feminism is supposed to celebrate - equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay. I can go to school, get a good education, work, have children, continue working, decide to stay home with my kids, return to work later, or not. Who are you, or anyone else, to tell women who choose to be home with children that their choice is somehow invalid? That makes you an anti-feminist, in my book. Women are supposed to support other women, not tear them down. Guess you didn't get the memo.

Does your husband have all those freedoms too? Or is he expected to just foot the bill while you do whatever you want?

My husband - a feminist, by the way! - doesn't consider himself to be "footing the bill". Very telling that you would look at it that way. We're a team and look at our life that way. He's happy doing what he does and is also happy knowing I'm doing what I choose to do, which is take care of our kids. Why are you so concerned about other people's lives and marriage dynamics? How about you worry about your own?

Ha! I'm 15:58, we must have been posting at the same time. I agree with what you said. Pp said earlier that men & women are equal, but I guess that's only true if the husband & wife both WOH. I don't think she'll answer you though, she only answers what questions are convenient to her, and she's becoming increasingly incoherent with each one she answers.

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Anonymous wrote:So, in Australia there is some Muslim lawyer woman that screemed intolerance over a t-shirt that said love it or leave, regarding the national flag. If she hadn't made a stink over it, no one would be sending her hate mail. Personally, I feel the same way. If you hate America so much GTFO, whether you're white, black, purple whatever.

You poor misguided soul! This has become the "duke it out over SAHM" thread - far from the original header.... so sorry! You will have to start a NEW thread (which, will, of course, become another SAHM thread...) oh well. This really is a one-note town.

Yes, this thread rapidly disintegrated and why? Oh, that's right. Because some moron chose to call SAHMs lazy and then others chimed in with their agreement. See what happens when you denigrate someone's lifestyle because you just don't approve of it? People tend to defend themselves.

But, the thread specifically asked for an opinion You have that is in the strong minority. See what happens when someone has an opinion that's in the minority? They're called a moron, attacked, and accused of not raising their own children, being unhappy, and needing a day off! Kudos to you SAHM on this thread! You're quite non-judgmental yourselves. Or, can't handle someone having an opinion you don't agree with.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

Well good - at least you're honest about that. Because feminism, in my book, includes celebrating the many choices women have and their ability to go after the one that works for them.

So all the 1950s housewives were feminists, or you're a feminist because you could use your education for paid employment, yet choose not to do so?

1950s housewives didn't have the opportunities that we do today, so staying home with one's children really wasn't a choice. It was expected. Nowadays, however, women can choose to do or be whatever they want to. That's what feminism is supposed to celebrate - equal rights, equal opportunities, equal pay. I can go to school, get a good education, work, have children, continue working, decide to stay home with my kids, return to work later, or not. Who are you, or anyone else, to tell women who choose to be home with children that their choice is somehow invalid? That makes you an anti-feminist, in my book. Women are supposed to support other women, not tear them down. Guess you didn't get the memo.

Does your husband have all those freedoms too? Or is he expected to just foot the bill while you do whatever you want?

My husband - a feminist, by the way! - doesn't consider himself to be "footing the bill". Very telling that you would look at it that way. We're a team and look at our life that way. He's happy doing what he does and is also happy knowing I'm doing what I choose to do, which is take care of our kids. Why are you so concerned about other people's lives and marriage dynamics? How about you worry about your own?

Ha! I'm 15:58, we must have been posting at the same time. I agree with what you said. Pp said earlier that men & women are equal, but I guess that's only true if the husband & wife both WOH. I don't think she'll answer you though, she only answers what questions are convenient to her, and she's becoming increasingly incoherent with each one she answers.

You know there are a number of working moms posting here, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Ok. So it's unfair to the children to have a parent in the home caring for them? So your kids are better off in day care than they are with you? Speak for yourself pp. if that's how you honestly feel, why not put them up for adoption? That's your logic, right, it's unfair to the kids to be at home with mom (or dad)?

You're so stupid it's painful.

Maybe you're right. Maybe in your case the kids are better off at day care. You're so angry over my confusion with your logic that you call names and refuse to elaborate.

It is unfair to children to put one parent in a situation where they have to work crazy hours / constantly be on call because the other parent doesn't want to work. This is a VERY common dynamic in many DC area families. I absolutely believe that it is better for children to spend a reasonable amount of time with a loving caregiver and have both parents present in their lives.

Clearer?

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Anonymous wrote:Damn. SAHMs - consider yourself lucky to have this choice. My husband passed and I'm working and trying to be the best mom I can. Please don't make me feel guilty that I can't stay home. I wish I could.

I'm so sorry pp, you have my sympathies and I'd never judge you for working. I don't judge any mom who chooses to work. I help my working mom friends with babysitting (free) when I can.

I've only responded to the working mom on here because she has been blasting SAHMs and posting some very hurtful opinions, I haven't spoken out against working moms at all. I plan to go back to work too, when ds is a little older. I have respect for working moms, it's not easy doing both!

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Anonymous wrote:Question for those of you who look down upon SAHMs: Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Not really.

I do. That's why I find it so disturbing to see a generation of women choosing to give up their own lives to focus on their children. I see their energy and creativity and productivity wasted on bento boxes and halloween costumes and over-the-top birthday parties.

Honestly, it worries me that this country is losing so much vitality and gaining only a generation of coddled, helicoptered kids.

Oh gosh, we wouldn't want you to be "disturbed." You consider SAHMs to be "giving up" their lives to focus on their children... are you kidding me? You're sitting in judgment of the many women who are doing exactly what they want to be doing?

This would be the perfect opening for someone to light into you about exactly what WOHMs are missing, but you probably know that and are just waiting for someone to rise to the bait so you can play the victim, whining about SAHMs attacking WOHMs. The mommy wars just give you so much pleasure, don't they? For most people I know, mommy wars are over. But not you, apparently. And you wonder why you and judgmental women like you come across as so clearly unhappy with your own lives. If you were happy, why would you possibly feel the need to slam other women's choices?

You must be the poster who likes to throw out stereotypes of SAHMs (you know, the bratty, Starbucks loving one, etc.). I've never used a bento box in my life and don't know anyone who does - but what would it matter anyhow? And frankly, the only people I know who throw over-the-top birthday parties are those who are desperately trying to overcompensate for something. Hmm, who could that be?

I posted the Starbucks comment. But I'm not the poster you're responding to. Methinks you're getting confused.

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Anonymous wrote:So, in Australia there is some Muslim lawyer woman that screemed intolerance over a t-shirt that said love it or leave, regarding the national flag. If she hadn't made a stink over it, no one would be sending her hate mail. Personally, I feel the same way. If you hate America so much GTFO, whether you're white, black, purple whatever.

You poor misguided soul! This has become the "duke it out over SAHM" thread - far from the original header.... so sorry! You will have to start a NEW thread (which, will, of course, become another SAHM thread...) oh well. This really is a one-note town.

Yes, this thread rapidly disintegrated and why? Oh, that's right. Because some moron chose to call SAHMs lazy and then others chimed in with their agreement. See what happens when you denigrate someone's lifestyle because you just don't approve of it? People tend to defend themselves.

But, the thread specifically asked for an opinion You have that is in the strong minority. See what happens when someone has an opinion that's in the minority? They're called a moron, attacked, and accused of not raising their own children, being unhappy, and needing a day off! Kudos to you SAHM on this thread! You're quite non-judgmental yourselves. Or, can't handle someone having an opinion you don't agree with.

So... are you saying you wouldn't take offense at having your lifestyle choice judged and mocked? Puh-leeze. The WOHMs on this thread are the biggest bunch of hypocrites I've seen in a long time. If you don't like your childcare choices denigrated, don't disparage others' in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Damn. SAHMs - consider yourself lucky to have this choice. My husband passed and I'm working and trying to be the best mom I can. Please don't make me feel guilty that I can't stay home. I wish I could.

Ignore these women. You're being incredibly strong and setting a great example. Hang in there.