Future Western High School

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Anonymous wrote:Not nearly as much as the giant hissy fit that the Langley parents threw in 2019 after Janie Strauss stated publicly that "I've warned Langley, sorry, a big chunk is going to get reboundaried [when the new HS is built]."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM4AfGQqTWE


And that was what... 3 1/2 years ago? Have you been holding your breath since then?
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Anonymous wrote:The reason Langley was ever part of the new western school discussion was due to overcrowding at McLean. The thought process was that the McLean overflow would move to Langley. This in turn would overwhelm Langley and necessitate moving some Langley kids to Herndon.

Population increases due to developments in Tysons and around metro is expected to further burden schools in that area including McLean. The thought of a new Western HS scares the panties off some GF families zoned for Langley because it could create extra capacity at Herndon, especially if the school is built on the proposed Hutchison site. Meaning that the fate of those GF kids closer to Herndon and others on the western edge of the Langley pyramid could land up in Herndon. (The horror!)

If McLean HS doesn’t become overcrowded (again??), then GF families on the edge are “safe” from having to switch schools. They will want to prevent high density housing in the McLean and Langley pyramids that would push them out of Langley and into Herndon.

Even without the mythical Western HS, the western edge of the Langley pyramid COULD be impacted.



Yes, if all those criteria line up and the stars align just so, the very western edge of the Langley pyramid COULD be impacted. But no one is "scared" of this remote possibility. It certainly does seem some of you want to believe we're all just quaking in our seats! If it happens, decades from now, then so be it. Right now, it's not even on the radar. Because - once again - that mythical high school has yet to be built.




Pump the breaks, Elaine. That was an explanation of how Langley / GF gets dragged into the mythical high school discussion.


Not Elaine, but I know who you are. You're the obsessed McLean parent who is determined to make sure Langley pays for whatever wacko transgression you seem to think they've committed. Seek help. This high school - if it is even built - will have nothing to do with Langley boundaries. Sorry to disappoint.


Hahaha! Not from McLean. Try again, Elaine.


Anyone who's been on this forum for the past year or so knows exactly who you are. Keep pretending, though!


Think what you want. The reality is I’m from the wrong side of the tracks, and among the unwashed masses.


Is that why you have such an enormous chip on your shoulder?
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Anonymous wrote:Are you suggesting the board has recently brought up this school? I assume they buried it.


This school will never be built. I've been hearing about it for decades.


It is in the fall 2021 bond and also in the latest CIP for planning in 2026 and 2027, permitting in 2028, and construction in 2029 and 2030 (it's a 10-year projection, so construction could take longer).

I can't quite figure out if people don't believe anything FCPS says at this point or if they just want to spread misinformation. Just because something has been discussed for a long time doesn't mean it will never come to fruition. Fairfax County probably has more in common with Montgomery County than Loudoun (land is less expensive and more plentiful in Loudoun), and Montgomery is planning to open several new high schools in the coming years (Crown HS and Woodward HS).

It seems to me that if FCPS can't execute on its plans, whether due to opposition from certain parents hell-bent on killing the project or otherwise, it sends a very negative message about a county that otherwise claims to be open for business and looking to grow.


DP. The reason so many of us are skeptical about this school ever being built is because we've lived here for decades and heard rumblings about it all this time. It's never amounted to anything - that's not "spreading misinformation, that's a fact." As you say, it's on the 2021 bond, so we shall see. I think it's just another example of FCPS promising things that never come to fruition. Or a Lucy with the football, taunting Charlie Brown kind of thing. Either way, you can't fault those of us saying we'll believe it when we see it.
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Anonymous wrote:A change in boundaries would not impact my kids but I never understand why Langley parents feel picked on during these discussions. People are not suggesting to move boundaries around to penalize you? And it is weird that Langley is the only high school with practically no FARMS when it has nothing to do with geographic reasons, right?


Perhaps because - as shown on the map that another PP posted - Langley isn't even the farthest west school in FCPS. Far from it, in fact. So this entire discussion should really be all about the school which would be directly impacted by a possible new high school. Not the school that has nothing at all to do with it.
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Anonymous wrote:What will it take for the bond to pass on this HS? Are there any organizations pushing for it?


Where do you live and what high school are you currently zoned for? If it's overcrowded, perhaps you could mobilize fellow community members to lobby the SB.
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Anonymous wrote:The reason Langley was ever part of the new western school discussion was due to overcrowding at McLean. The thought process was that the McLean overflow would move to Langley. This in turn would overwhelm Langley and necessitate moving some Langley kids to Herndon.

Population increases due to developments in Tysons and around metro is expected to further burden schools in that area including McLean. The thought of a new Western HS scares the panties off some GF families zoned for Langley because it could create extra capacity at Herndon, especially if the school is built on the proposed Hutchison site. Meaning that the fate of those GF kids closer to Herndon and others on the western edge of the Langley pyramid could land up in Herndon. (The horror!)

If McLean HS doesn’t become overcrowded (again??), then GF families on the edge are “safe” from having to switch schools. They will want to prevent high density housing in the McLean and Langley pyramids that would push them out of Langley and into Herndon.

Even without the mythical Western HS, the western edge of the Langley pyramid COULD be impacted.



Yes, if all those criteria line up and the stars align just so, the very western edge of the Langley pyramid COULD be impacted. But no one is "scared" of this remote possibility. It certainly does seem some of you want to believe we're all just quaking in our seats! If it happens, decades from now, then so be it. Right now, it's not even on the radar. Because - once again - that mythical high school has yet to be built.




Pump the breaks, Elaine. That was an explanation of how Langley / GF gets dragged into the mythical high school discussion.


Not Elaine, but I know who you are. You're the obsessed McLean parent who is determined to make sure Langley pays for whatever wacko transgression you seem to think they've committed. Seek help. This high school - if it is even built - will have nothing to do with Langley boundaries. Sorry to disappoint.


Hahaha! Not from McLean. Try again, Elaine.


Anyone who's been on this forum for the past year or so knows exactly who you are. Keep pretending, though!


Think what you want. The reality is I’m from the wrong side of the tracks, and among the unwashed masses.


Is that why you have such an enormous chip on your shoulder?


Why can’t you accept plain facts without attributing some nefarious plot? If you maintain that sour face, those wrinkles will become permanent.
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Anonymous wrote:A change in boundaries would not impact my kids but I never understand why Langley parents feel picked on during these discussions. People are not suggesting to move boundaries around to penalize you? And it is weird that Langley is the only high school with practically no FARMS when it has nothing to do with geographic reasons, right?


Perhaps because - as shown on the map that another PP posted - Langley isn't even the farthest west school in FCPS. Far from it, in fact. So this entire discussion should really be all about the school which would be directly impacted by a possible new high school. Not the school that has nothing at all to do with it.


You need to read this thread and referenced documents more closely.
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Anonymous wrote:The reason Langley was ever part of the new western school discussion was due to overcrowding at McLean. The thought process was that the McLean overflow would move to Langley. This in turn would overwhelm Langley and necessitate moving some Langley kids to Herndon.

Population increases due to developments in Tysons and around metro is expected to further burden schools in that area including McLean. The thought of a new Western HS scares the panties off some GF families zoned for Langley because it could create extra capacity at Herndon...

Even without the mythical Western HS, the western edge of the Langley pyramid COULD be impacted.



FCPS knows it’s not ideal to be busing kids 10-14 miles to Langley from western Great Falls.

They haven’t had an alternative because Herndon has been full and Langley has been losing kids for the better part of a decade (lots of families sending their kids to privates and neighborhoods full of older people). ...

For example, a developer building a new subdivision in Herndon south of Route 7 tried to get FCPS to make an administrative boundary change a few years ago to reassign the area from Herndon to Langley, FCPS declined and said in correspondence with the developer that it would be premature to revisit the boundaries in that area until a new school was built, at which time all the boundaries in western Fairfax would be reconsidered. Janie Strauss conveyed a similar message to Langley families, as she publicly acknowledged at a School Board work session in early 2019.

When word of this got out to more people in Great Falls, they went bat-shit crazy. They organized a meeting at Forestville ES in June 2019!and screamed at Strauss for over two hours. The next month they disrupted a School Board work session complaining about boundary changes that were not even yet on the table.

They obviously feel they have the upper hand now that Strauss is gone and has been replaced by Elaine Tholen, who lacks integrity and shamelessly caters to Great Falls...



What catering to Great Falls? Look at elementary school boundaries.

Those Herndon PO addresses, not town of Herndon, + Holly Knoll + some developments with Vienna [not town] addresses + maybe even Reston addresses have nothing to do with Tholen. There have been developments that for decades have been in the Langley pyramid. Some are Hunter Mill Magisterial District. Some Dranesville. All dedicated to avoiding South Lakes and Herndon. Fairfax County Federation of Citizens Associations activity level?

For example look up a street called Delta Glen-it's in Colvin Glen [Colvin Run-Cooper-Langley], Hunter Mill District. A new development [Forest Edge-Hughes-South Lakes]went in years ago and I think Dunn Meadow Rd was blocked with concrete barriers. They got moved for the snow plow and did they go back? Interesting where the Gulick Group stuff in north Reston or Vienna po box ended up. One, Hunters End, was marketed as Langley and FCPS under Domenech flipped it.

FCPS is making the same mistake with Oakton as it did with Langley- expanding capacity for students who should be assigned to other schools. Oakton is near Madison and Langley near Mclean.

During the recent Mclean to Langley boundary change there was at least 1 person who wanted a flip to Langley from Herndon. Surrounded by the developments that have Herndon addresses that were sent to Langley. FCPS should administratively change the lot of them to Herndon and frankly no one in Great Falls would blink. Summer House Landing http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2021/feb/03/mclean-high-boundary-change-down-wire/

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FCPS is making the same mistake with Oakton as it did with Langley- expanding capacity for students who should be assigned to other schools. Oakton is near Madison and Langley near Mclean.


Are you the same person who said that Great Falls was the most far west part of Fairfax County? I'll grant that Oakton is near Madison--but it is nowhere near Langley.
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FCPS is making the same mistake with Oakton as it did with Langley- expanding capacity for students who should be assigned to other schools. Oakton is near Madison and Langley near Mclean.


Are you the same person who said that Great Falls was the most far west part of Fairfax County? I'll grant that Oakton is near Madison--but it is nowhere near Langley.


Not PP, but can you please take a second to read before you post?

PP is saying Oakton is near Madison (it is) and Langley is near McLean (it is), and that they need to stop building big additions at schools that already have kids who live closer to other schools traveling long distances to attend (as is the case at both Oakton and Langley).

You can agree or disagree with the comment, but PP was not saying Oakton is near Langley.
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FCPS is making the same mistake with Oakton as it did with Langley- expanding capacity for students who should be assigned to other schools. Oakton is near Madison and Langley near Mclean.


Are you the same person who said that Great Falls was the most far west part of Fairfax County? I'll grant that Oakton is near Madison--but it is nowhere near Langley.


Not PP, but can you please take a second to read before you post?

PP is saying Oakton is near Madison (it is) and Langley is near McLean (it is), and that they need to stop building big additions at schools that already have kids who live closer to other schools traveling long distances to attend (as is the case at both Oakton and Langley).

You can agree or disagree with the comment, but PP was not saying Oakton is near Langley.


Apologize. You're right. I didn't read carefully.

But, it is also true that there are many, many schools in this situation. Franklin Middle and Rachel Carson are just over one mile apart. I guess property is just not always available. Ironic that Chantilly has one of the most compact boundaries, and it is the most overcrowded. And, I think that is one reason that the overcrowding is tolerated--people don't want to leave because there is a community feel--and is quite diverse.
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It’s generally understood some people will prefer an existing school with trailers to a new school, especially if that new school may be higher ESOL/FARMS. Chantilly may be diverse, but most of its non-white population is upper middle-class Asian families. Will they push back against a new school (if, say, Oak Hill were redistricted) because Chantilly is so tight-knit, or because they don’t want their kids at a school with students coming from Hutchison?
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FCPS is making the same mistake with Oakton as it did with Langley- expanding capacity for students who should be assigned to other schools. Oakton is near Madison and Langley near Mclean.


Are you the same person who said that Great Falls was the most far west part of Fairfax County? I'll grant that Oakton is near Madison--but it is nowhere near Langley.


Not PP, but can you please take a second to read before you post?

PP is saying Oakton is near Madison (it is) and Langley is near McLean (it is), and that they need to stop building big additions at schools that already have kids who live closer to other schools traveling long distances to attend (as is the case at both Oakton and Langley).

You can agree or disagree with the comment, but PP was not saying Oakton is near Langley.


Apologize. You're right. I didn't read carefully.

But, it is also true that there are many, many schools in this situation. Franklin Middle and Rachel Carson are just over one mile apart. I guess property is just not always available. Ironic that Chantilly has one of the most compact boundaries, and it is the most overcrowded. And, I think that is one reason that the overcrowding is tolerated--people don't want to leave because there is a community feel--and is quite diverse.


Give your Hutchison plan a rest. It is three miles from Herndon High School. Once more, this is not about getting Great Falls into Herndon. It is about giving relief to Chantilly and Centreville.
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Anonymous wrote:Not nearly as much as the giant hissy fit that the Langley parents threw in 2019 after Janie Strauss stated publicly that "I've warned Langley, sorry, a big chunk is going to get reboundaried [when the new HS is built]."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM4AfGQqTWE


It's very clear if you watch the actual work sessions that the school board was talking about changing boundaries for race/class reasons. They weren't discussing the new high school. Jane Strauss mentioned Langley specifically so parents from that pyramid had every right to inform the school board that they disagreed with changing schools because the board saw fit to rearrange schools by class and race.

It was too close to an election to press forward with their plans to redo boundary policy to prioritize class/racial makeup of the schools, as Langley pyramid parents weren't the only ones who realized that their kids could be sent to different schools based on their race and class.

Instead of standing up and telling the community that it would be great to rearrange kids based on their immutable characteristics and their parents bank account, and they believed in this and were going to pass the policy anyway, they backed down. They amended the CIP at the last minute to send children from overcrowded Mclean to Langley, which had space. They had to do that to demonstrate that they were not holding Mclean, 2 miles away (ish) overcrowded because Langley had space because they wanted to spread those kids around to other schools based on race and class. Anyone who actually watched the work sessions knows that that is exactly what they are doing, as a new boundary could have easily been timed to coincide with the conclusion of Langley's renovation in 2018.


As to the Western High School which looks like it will finally be built in the next few years, new schools obviously mean new boundaries. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the Langley boundary might be impacted. It will be interesting to see which areas would be proposed to replace those removed, but we will have to wait and see.
So they stopped working on policy, placated parents, and got their desired result: Dem-endorsed incumbents kept their seats and the last two Rep-endorsed candidates lost theirs to Dems.
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Anonymous wrote:Not nearly as much as the giant hissy fit that the Langley parents threw in 2019 after Janie Strauss stated publicly that "I've warned Langley, sorry, a big chunk is going to get reboundaried [when the new HS is built]."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM4AfGQqTWE


It's very clear if you watch the actual work sessions that the school board was talking about changing boundaries for race/class reasons. They weren't discussing the new high school. Jane Strauss mentioned Langley specifically so parents from that pyramid had every right to inform the school board that they disagreed with changing schools because the board saw fit to rearrange schools by class and race.

It was too close to an election to press forward with their plans to redo boundary policy to prioritize class/racial makeup of the schools, as Langley pyramid parents weren't the only ones who realized that their kids could be sent to different schools based on their race and class.

Instead of standing up and telling the community that it would be great to rearrange kids based on their immutable characteristics and their parents bank account, and they believed in this and were going to pass the policy anyway, they backed down. They amended the CIP at the last minute to send children from overcrowded Mclean to Langley, which had space. They had to do that to demonstrate that they were not holding Mclean, 2 miles away (ish) overcrowded because Langley had space because they wanted to spread those kids around to other schools based on race and class. Anyone who actually watched the work sessions knows that that is exactly what they are doing, as a new boundary could have easily been timed to coincide with the conclusion of Langley's renovation in 2018.


As to the Western High School which looks like it will finally be built in the next few years, new schools obviously mean new boundaries. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the Langley boundary might be impacted. It will be interesting to see which areas would be proposed to replace those removed, but we will have to wait and see.
So they stopped working on policy, placated parents, and got their desired result: Dem-endorsed incumbents kept their seats and the last two Rep-endorsed candidates lost theirs to Dems.


Whoops.

Let me rearrange that a bit.
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It's very clear if you watch the actual work sessions that the school board was talking about changing boundaries for race/class reasons. They weren't discussing the planned new high school. Jane Strauss mentioned Langley specifically so parents from that pyramid had every right to inform the school board that they disagreed with changing schools because the board saw fit to rearrange schools by class and race.

It was too close to an election to press forward with their plans to redo boundary policy to prioritize class/racial makeup of the schools, as Langley pyramid parents weren't the only ones who realized that their kids could be sent to different schools based on their race and class.

Instead of standing up and telling the community that it would be great to rearrange kids based on their immutable characteristics and their parents' bank accounts, and they believed in this and were going to pass the policy anyway, they backed down. They amended the CIP at the last minute to send children from overcrowded Mclean to Langley, which had space. They had to do that to demonstrate that they were not holding Mclean, 2 miles away (ish) overcrowded because Langley had space because they wanted to spread those kids around to other schools based on race and class. Anyone who actually watched the work sessions knows that that is exactly what they are doing, as a new boundary could have easily been timed to coincide with the conclusion of Langley's renovation in 2018.

So the school board stopped working on policy, placated parents, and got their desired result: Dem-endorsed incumbents kept their seats and the last two Rep-endorsed candidates lost theirs to Dems.


As to the Western High School which looks like it will finally be built in the next few years, new schools obviously mean new boundaries. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the Langley boundary might be impacted. It will be interesting to see which areas would be proposed to replace those removed, but we will have to wait and see.
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