Should I move to Florida?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The climate nazis here need to back off. Please let me know what you are doing to solve the jet fuel consumption problem- did you devote your life to it and get an engineering degree to help solve this problem? If not, back off.

Ugh you holier than thou people are the WORST. In fact, you are the reason that the House will flip next year and Desantis is governor..

I don't need an engineering degree to solve the problem. I'm not flying, that's how I am solving the jet fuel consumption problem.

We saw the answer at the beginning of the pandemic but refuse to accept that most of us don't "need" to flt even once every year, much less more frequently.

OP could just as easily move to West Virginia for a lower cost of living and not have to pay as much to drive to Maryland twice a month.

Right, because everybody knows West Virginia is just as much fun as Florida! That's why you all go there every year for your vacations, right?

Actually, we do go there for vacation multiple times per year, which is why I suggested it for OP. Lots of natural beauty, not far from DC, not very expensive, not going to go underwater anytime soon. Lots of outdoor activities to do in WVA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of it because there are so many posts on this forum where people flag how moral and virtuous their priorities are by saying something like:

"We make $500,000 a year but clothes, cars and houses mean nothing to us--we buy everything secondhand and sometimes look like homeless people. We do make sure to spend at least $50,000 a year on travel, however."

They then add, "Its all about priorities."

I don't think anyone who is spending 50k on travel a year is signaling concerns about the environment. Show a real post where that's the case. Money and finances are always about priorities and values whether you say it or not. How you spend your money shows what you value and you are signaling to others what you care about. You just don't like it when people name it.

I think you missed my point.

These posters want to position themselves as people who don't care about material things but are into the more virtuous and more highly evolved plane of spending on enriching experiences.

Totally oblivious to the carbon footprint of all their travel, which, ultimately is really not that virtuous and doesn't make them the better people they think they are.

That's a story you're telling, but show the post where it's actually shown. It's a feeling YOU get from it. I haven't seen that--and that's how you seem to be responding when anyone voices climate concerns. In this particular thread, nobody said anything like that -- they responded with their view on excessive flying when OP ASKED if they should move to Fl. not about what they spend on travel or whatnot.
And if you're the PP you said "Climate nazis need to back off" (if you're not that PP, I apologize). SO it seems you're a little triggered by anyone mentioning climate concerns connected to spending.

Definitely not the climate nazi back off person!

I feel like a climate nazi every time I inwardly cringe reading posts in which people tout how frugal they are but spend lavishly on travel.

i have done my share of traveling in the past, but feel that these days people really need to rationalize more before flying off to this place or that.

With respect to Florida, OP is coming under fire, but I don't see the same fire being aimed at these frugal but tons of travel posters, who probably log in more flying hours a year than OP would going back and forth to Florida.

yup. got my traveling and flying in already, but now let me wag my finger at everyone else!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The climate nazis here need to back off. Please let me know what you are doing to solve the jet fuel consumption problem- did you devote your life to it and get an engineering degree to help solve this problem? If not, back off.

Ugh you holier than thou people are the WORST. In fact, you are the reason that the House will flip next year and Desantis is governor..

I don't need an engineering degree to solve the problem. I'm not flying, that's how I am solving the jet fuel consumption problem.

We saw the answer at the beginning of the pandemic but refuse to accept that most of us don't "need" to flt even once every year, much less more frequently.

OP could just as easily move to West Virginia for a lower cost of living and not have to pay as much to drive to Maryland twice a month.

Right, because everybody knows West Virginia is just as much fun as Florida! That's why you all go there every year for your vacations, right?

Actually, if you like nature, hiking, skiing, white water rafting, the outdoors and not roasting in bugs/humidity/algae blooms and dying manatees . . . WV is pretty great. Lots to do, esp. in the fall/winter.

You beat me to it. When I look at the things I like to do on vacation, a lot more are found in West Va. than Florida. I much, much prefer the climate in WVa, as well. The one exception is food - the food in south Florida is fantastic, and West Va. is meh, at best.

[Anonymous]

Depends on how cool you are with covid and republicans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The climate nazis here need to back off. Please let me know what you are doing to solve the jet fuel consumption problem- did you devote your life to it and get an engineering degree to help solve this problem? If not, back off.

Ugh you holier than thou people are the WORST. In fact, you are the reason that the House will flip next year and Desantis is governor..

Why does everyone need to devote their life to it to point out there is an undeniable massive problem we all need to address? It's not virtue signaling, it's reality. And it's unsustainable and immoral to not consider impact on the environment whether flying every two weeks to save a bit of taxes is important.

Anyway, I do work in a scientific field (hydrology) that is closely tied to environmental impact. Every colleague--policy analyst to lab scientist is freaked out by the latest data. So tired of people who want to make it about "culture wars" or other nonsense.

Are you Amish? If not, then you’ve chosen to participate in the carbon economy. That is reality.

[Anonymous]

OP here, just went to a fantastic dinner on the water with the sunset and beach in front of me. The food was fabulous, and so was the walk at night under the breeze on the boardwalk. People on the sidelines reading this ridiculous thread, Florida is a lovely place, and it certainly is diverse and was not plague ridden. Crazy climate posters, I recycle, I try to buy second hand, but no, I don’t try to virtue signal or wring my hand any time I use electricity. I however am looking forward to a carbon neutral future, but if I need butter, I will plan to drive to the grocery store in my automobile rather than churn it by hand. If I need to get from point a to point b, I may take a plane or drive. You are unlikely to see me in the fetal position wracked by worry.

I also do NOT plan on going to West Virginia as a stand in for Florida, and would like to award that poster the prize for most ludicrous suggestion on the thread.

Huzzah crazy posters of DCUM! You really came through.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of it because there are so many posts on this forum where people flag how moral and virtuous their priorities are by saying something like:

"We make $500,000 a year but clothes, cars and houses mean nothing to us--we buy everything secondhand and sometimes look like homeless people. We do make sure to spend at least $50,000 a year on travel, however."

They then add, "Its all about priorities."

Ruining the environment is you main one. Jet fuel and pollution from travel is disgusting

"I forgive my own bad habits but judge yours," in other words.

We can all do better but until we have a coordinated government response we are not going to fix the climate problem. You foregoing air travel while doing whatever the heck you do - live in a big house, use air conditioning, have kids, drive a car, eat meat, buy new clothes, keep your grass instead of turning your lawn into a meadow, etc - is fine for yourself, but these individual choices are not adding up to an actual response to the climate crisis.

Go ahead and try to be good! I am trying, too. But OP moving to Florida or not will not be the thing that determines whether our earth bakes into a lifeless husk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The climate nazis here need to back off. Please let me know what you are doing to solve the jet fuel consumption problem- did you devote your life to it and get an engineering degree to help solve this problem? If not, back off.

Ugh you holier than thou people are the WORST. In fact, you are the reason that the House will flip next year and Desantis is governor..

I don't need an engineering degree to solve the problem. I'm not flying, that's how I am solving the jet fuel consumption problem.

We saw the answer at the beginning of the pandemic but refuse to accept that most of us don't "need" to flt even once every year, much less more frequently.

OP could just as easily move to West Virginia for a lower cost of living and not have to pay as much to drive to Maryland twice a month.

Right, because everybody knows West Virginia is just as much fun as Florida! That's why you all go there every year for your vacations, right?

Actually, we do go there for vacation multiple times per year, which is why I suggested it for OP. Lots of natural beauty, not far from DC, not very expensive, not going to go underwater anytime soon. Lots of outdoor activities to do in WVA.

Upto a certain melanin level. We are brown skinned and it was not a good experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The climate nazis here need to back off. Please let me know what you are doing to solve the jet fuel consumption problem- did you devote your life to it and get an engineering degree to help solve this problem? If not, back off.

Ugh you holier than thou people are the WORST. In fact, you are the reason that the House will flip next year and Desantis is governor..

I don't need an engineering degree to solve the problem. I'm not flying, that's how I am solving the jet fuel consumption problem.

We saw the answer at the beginning of the pandemic but refuse to accept that most of us don't "need" to flt even once every year, much less more frequently.

OP could just as easily move to West Virginia for a lower cost of living and not have to pay as much to drive to Maryland twice a month.

Right, because everybody knows West Virginia is just as much fun as Florida! That's why you all go there every year for your vacations, right?

Actually, we do go there for vacation multiple times per year, which is why I suggested it for OP. Lots of natural beauty, not far from DC, not very expensive, not going to go underwater anytime soon. Lots of outdoor activities to do in WVA.

Upto a certain melanin level. We are brown skinned and it was not a good experience.

They hate Indians

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on you for suggesting commuting by air the day after the most serious climate report we’ve ever seen.

Do you have kids? Do you give the tiniest care about their future?

This was exactly my reaction when I read the OP. Commute every other week by plane? That is immoral and unconscionable.

is it unreasonable? maybe. is it a bad idea? probably.
immoral and unconscionable...a bit dramatic.

What’s dramatic is Utah schools cancelling school sports games and practices due to wildfire smoke. What’s dramatic is the coral dying out. What’s dramatic is animals and birds dying of starvation and species declining because their stomachs are so full of plastic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am tired of it because there are so many posts on this forum where people flag how moral and virtuous their priorities are by saying something like:

"We make $500,000 a year but clothes, cars and houses mean nothing to us--we buy everything secondhand and sometimes look like homeless people. We do make sure to spend at least $50,000 a year on travel, however."

They then add, "Its all about priorities."

I don't think anyone who is spending 50k on travel a year is signaling concerns about the environment. Show a real post where that's the case. Money and finances are always about priorities and values whether you say it or not. How you spend your money shows what you value and you are signaling to others what you care about. You just don't like it when people name it.

I think you missed my point.

These posters want to position themselves as people who don't care about material things but are into the more virtuous and more highly evolved plane of spending on enriching experiences.

Totally oblivious to the carbon footprint of all their travel, which, ultimately is really not that virtuous and doesn't make them the better people they think they are.

That's a story you're telling, but show the post where it's actually shown. It's a feeling YOU get from it. I haven't seen that--and that's how you seem to be responding when anyone voices climate concerns. In this particular thread, nobody said anything like that -- they responded with their view on excessive flying when OP ASKED if they should move to Fl. not about what they spend on travel or whatnot.
And if you're the PP you said "Climate nazis need to back off" (if you're not that PP, I apologize). SO it seems you're a little triggered by anyone mentioning climate concerns connected to spending.

Definitely not the climate nazi back off person!

I feel like a climate nazi every time I inwardly cringe reading posts in which people tout how frugal they are but spend lavishly on travel.

i have done my share of traveling in the past, but feel that these days people really need to rationalize more before flying off to this place or that.

With respect to Florida, OP is coming under fire, but I don't see the same fire being aimed at these frugal but tons of travel posters, who probably log in more flying hours a year than OP would going back and forth to Florida.

yup. got my traveling and flying in already, but now let me wag my finger at everyone else!

It seems like you and pp agree that flying less would be a good choice, and that it’s not all or nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here, just went to a fantastic dinner on the water with the sunset and beach in front of me. The food was fabulous, and so was the walk at night under the breeze on the boardwalk. People on the sidelines reading this ridiculous thread, Florida is a lovely place, and it certainly is diverse and was not plague ridden. Crazy climate posters, I recycle, I try to buy second hand, but no, I don’t try to virtue signal or wring my hand any time I use electricity. I however am looking forward to a carbon neutral future, but if I need butter, I will plan to drive to the grocery store in my automobile rather than churn it by hand. If I need to get from point a to point b, I may take a plane or drive. You are unlikely to see me in the fetal position wracked by worry.

I also do NOT plan on going to West Virginia as a stand in for Florida, and would like to award that poster the prize for most ludicrous suggestion on the thread.

Huzzah crazy posters of DCUM! You really came through.

Your boardwalk will be under water but go off ma’am

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am tired of it because there are so many posts on this forum where people flag how moral and virtuous their priorities are by saying something like:

"We make $500,000 a year but clothes, cars and houses mean nothing to us--we buy everything secondhand and sometimes look like homeless people. We do make sure to spend at least $50,000 a year on travel, however."

They then add, "Its all about priorities."

Ruining the environment is you main one. Jet fuel and pollution from travel is disgusting

"I forgive my own bad habits but judge yours," in other words.

We can all do better but until we have a coordinated government response we are not going to fix the climate problem. You foregoing air travel while doing whatever the heck you do - live in a big house, use air conditioning, have kids, drive a car, eat meat, buy new clothes, keep your grass instead of turning your lawn into a meadow, etc - is fine for yourself, but these individual choices are not adding up to an actual response to the climate crisis.

Go ahead and try to be good! I am trying, too. But OP moving to Florida or not will not be the thing that determines whether our earth bakes into a lifeless husk.

No but it matters. I agree with you that we can all do better. I certainly can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here, just went to a fantastic dinner on the water with the sunset and beach in front of me. The food was fabulous, and so was the walk at night under the breeze on the boardwalk. People on the sidelines reading this ridiculous thread, Florida is a lovely place, and it certainly is diverse and was not plague ridden. Crazy climate posters, I recycle, I try to buy second hand, but no, I don’t try to virtue signal or wring my hand any time I use electricity. I however am looking forward to a carbon neutral future, but if I need butter, I will plan to drive to the grocery store in my automobile rather than churn it by hand. If I need to get from point a to point b, I may take a plane or drive. You are unlikely to see me in the fetal position wracked by worry.

I also do NOT plan on going to West Virginia as a stand in for Florida, and would like to award that poster the prize for most ludicrous suggestion on the thread.

Huzzah crazy posters of DCUM! You really came through.

Way to be an avoiding the issue climate jerk. No one took issue with the peanut butter runs.

How about your plans to offset your jet fuel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The climate nazis here need to back off. Please let me know what you are doing to solve the jet fuel consumption problem- did you devote your life to it and get an engineering degree to help solve this problem? If not, back off.

Ugh you holier than thou people are the WORST. In fact, you are the reason that the House will flip next year and Desantis is governor..

Why does everyone need to devote their life to it to point out there is an undeniable massive problem we all need to address? It's not virtue signaling, it's reality. And it's unsustainable and immoral to not consider impact on the environment whether flying every two weeks to save a bit of taxes is important.

Anyway, I do work in a scientific field (hydrology) that is closely tied to environmental impact. Every colleague--policy analyst to lab scientist is freaked out by the latest data. So tired of people who want to make it about "culture wars" or other nonsense.

Are you Amish? If not, then you’ve chosen to participate in the carbon economy. That is reality.

And, yet, in reality you can control your participation in the carbon to reduce the worst effects. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.