New Math Program - NO Differentiation until Grades 11-12?!?

[Anonymous]

Where is the information about this? I’m just getting an web page error.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is the information about this? I’m just getting an web page error.

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/vmpi/index.shtml

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I am pro-tracking. I also don’t like that students can enroll in AP or Honors if they just feel like it. Differentiation is impossible with the class sizes we are dealing with.

Oh it’s possible with even larger class sizes as they do in China, Singapore and South Korea. But you don’t have the skills and ability to do that which is a problem. Math teachers in the US suck.

Their model is that everyone is in advanced math, and the children who are not ready are expected to attend cram schools or get the tutoring that they need to keep up. It's not the teacher's responsibility to differentiate downward for the struggling kids. That model would never fly in US public schools.

+1. The teachers in East Asia aren't necessarily better. The entire culture around education is just different.

Like others have said, the East Asian schools teach math at an advanced level and just expect the students to keep up. There is no differentiation. Teachers know that parents will move heaven and earth to make sure their kids pass their classes.

The kids that can't keep up just fail.

It's not a model the US can emulate. The culture is just too different.

[Anonymous]

Who is coming up with these dumb proposals? Is the VA dept. of Ed still being by the same moron who's fu**ing up TJ? Idiots!

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Anonymous wrote:Who is coming up with these dumb proposals? Is the VA dept. of Ed still being by the same moron who's fu**ing up TJ? Idiots!

Yes, the activists are still in charge at VA DOE. I would think the Rs would appoint a VA secretary of ed who would stop some of this stuff, but may do other things that many in northern VA would hate. Quandaries.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is coming up with these dumb proposals? Is the VA dept. of Ed still being by the same moron who's fu**ing up TJ? Idiots!

Yes, the activists are still in charge at VA DOE. I would think the Rs would appoint a VA secretary of ed who would stop some of this stuff, but may do other things that many in northern VA would hate. Quandaries.

Thankfully my kid will be out of the system by 2025. Never voted R in my life. I will now. All the way. This is getting ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is coming up with these dumb proposals? Is the VA dept. of Ed still being by the same moron who's fu**ing up TJ? Idiots!

Yes, the activists are still in charge at VA DOE. I would think the Rs would appoint a VA secretary of ed who would stop some of this stuff, but may do other things that many in northern VA would hate. Quandaries.

It's not clear that the Rs will do anything about this. I have spoken with various candidates and haven't gotten any sign that it is on their radar. However, this was over a year ago, before most of the issues had popped up.
I was advising these candidates for smaller offices than governor to try and pick up Asian votes by talking about the AG lawsuit against LCPS, and TJ/AOS admissions. One of the candidates was Asian, and he talked about statues.

[Anonymous]

“was advising these candidates for smaller offices than governor to try and pick up Asian votes by talking about the AG lawsuit against LCPS, and TJ/AOS admissions. One of the candidates was Asian, and he talked about statues.”

Ugh why do Rs not get that those culture wars things may be beloved in SW VA but are exactly why NOVA will not vote for them. If they instead focused on the specifics of schools up here and pushing back against the D excesses like this hair brained plan to do away with advanced math they may stand half a chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“was advising these candidates for smaller offices than governor to try and pick up Asian votes by talking about the AG lawsuit against LCPS, and TJ/AOS admissions. One of the candidates was Asian, and he talked about statues.”

Ugh why do Rs not get that those culture wars things may be beloved in SW VA but are exactly why NOVA will not vote for them. If they instead focused on the specifics of schools up here and pushing back against the D excesses like this hair brained plan to do away with advanced math they may stand half a chance.

This particular candidate was from SE Asia and had seen first hand tearing down of statues by Communist regimes as a way of rewriting history.

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What will happen to kids who are already tracked?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is coming up with these dumb proposals? Is the VA dept. of Ed still being by the same moron who's fu**ing up TJ? Idiots!

Yes, the activists are still in charge at VA DOE. I would think the Rs would appoint a VA secretary of ed who would stop some of this stuff, but may do other things that many in northern VA would hate. Quandaries.

Thankfully my kid will be out of the system by 2025. Never voted R in my life. I will now. All the way. This is getting ridiculous.

This is beyond having a child or relative in FCPS. Over 52% plus of my local property tax dollars go to FCPS. it appears that grade 1 through grade 10 will have 1 math class per grade. That is far beyond differentiation. No algebra 1 defined course sequence available from normal enrollment years grade 7 and grade 8. That's 4 years of FCPS provided math instruction that evaporates.

In elementary we had a long term junk principal who fortunately retired. Language arts was terrible and fixed by the new one. It was so bad that people speculated if/when full day K became a reality the students would suffer. Most did after schooling in k-2 only because FCPS was so substandard . Points of comparison were some other FCPS schools and schools in other districts.

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Anonymous wrote:“was advising these candidates for smaller offices than governor to try and pick up Asian votes by talking about the AG lawsuit against LCPS, and TJ/AOS admissions. One of the candidates was Asian, and he talked about statues.”

Ugh why do Rs not get that those culture wars things may be beloved in SW VA but are exactly why NOVA will not vote for them. If they instead focused on the specifics of schools up here and pushing back against the D excesses like this hair brained plan to do away with advanced math they may stand half a chance.

This particular candidate was from SE Asia and had seen first hand tearing down of statues by Communist regimes as a way of rewriting history.

I would never vote for someone who could not see the difference between what the Communists did and removing racist monuments to a losing side erected well after the fact and primarily as a a middle finger to minorities who were starting to receive greater rights than white folks were comfortable with. Anyone who's read a Virginia history textbook from 10-20 years ago knows that the history written in those is very whitewashed and in need of an update for accuracy, not erasure. And even most of the statue removal advocates would be fine with having them in a museum with appropriate historical context.

My family is from Richmond and has lived there since the early 1950s, plenty familiar with segregation, Jim Crow, Massive Resistance, etc. The Confederate sympathizers are living in a past that never existed and can't get over a a loss from more than 100 years ago. The victim mentality is pathetic. You should have heard the handwringing when the city put a statue of tennis great Arthur Ashe on Monument Ave with all the Confederate generals.

I have no idea why the Rs pander to ROVA. They need to focus on the urban areas. ROVA wouldn't vote for Jesus Christ if he ran as a Democrat, so spending time on their culture war issues is a total waste of time. They have those votes, but they're losing the populated, educated areas with their issue choices.

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Anonymous wrote:What will happen to kids who are already tracked?

This is a good question and not addressed by any of the materials. By my count, they will put this into place when my kids are in 11th and 12th grade (so the two where they have choices), but, if I had a kid who was going to be in 9th/10th grade at the transition point, I'd want some assurance my kid wasn't being dumped back into a class they took years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is coming up with these dumb proposals? Is the VA dept. of Ed still being by the same moron who's fu**ing up TJ? Idiots!

Education LOVES fads and trends, and the students that get stuck in school while they're going on are the ones who end up behind or under-educated. Between my schooling, my spouse's, and our kids', we've lived through tracking/detracking, acceleration/busywork, phonics/whole word memorization, cursive/no cursive, just to name a few. Education feels like a constant experiment on live subjects.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is coming up with these dumb proposals? Is the VA dept. of Ed still being by the same moron who's fu**ing up TJ? Idiots!

Education LOVES fads and trends, and the students that get stuck in school while they're going on are the ones who end up behind or under-educated. Between my schooling, my spouse's, and our kids', we've lived through tracking/detracking, acceleration/busywork, phonics/whole word memorization, cursive/no cursive, just to name a few. Education feels like a constant experiment on live subjects.

1000% this.

Just like schools are finally wising up to the stupidity of the Lucy Calkins reading program, without any plan to remedy all of the kids who couldn't learn to read this way.