Camp Rim Rock for sale?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are not for sale.
We are open and operating.

Hundreds of Girl Scouts have been here over the last few weekends.
Hundreds more will be here before our Opening Day on June 16th.
We are fully staffed and ready to go.
The anonymous comments relate to our 2020 COVID-19 summer. We were open and operating but were significantly impacted financially by families understandably not sending their daughters to camp in 2020. We still ran a safe and fun program in 2020. We had no COVID cases as a result of the safety measures that were in place.
We have had wonderful summers in 2021, 2022, and 2023, and we are looking forward to another great one this year, our 73rd.

We will run our summer as we always have-fun and safe with a great group of campers many of whom are second generation.

If you have any questions or concerns, please contact us directly at 703-665-0009.
We are happy to answer any questions and address any concerns.
You can also email me at [e-mail].

We are planning 2024 to be our best summer ever!

Do better Joe. Stop acting like everything’s okay when it’s not.

[Anonymous]

FYI for all those still waiting for their money to be returned from Rim Rock. On June 8, we received a letter from Smith Kane Holman, LLC, a law firm, I’m guessing represents the camp?

The letter was dated June 5, 2024 and it stated:

“On May 2, 2024, Camp Rim Rock, LLC (“Debtor”) filed a voluntary petition for chapter 11 bankruptcy relief in the US Bankruptcy Count for the Eastern District of PA. You have been listed as a creditor in the Debtor’s bankruptcy case.

On May 6, 2024, the US Trustee issued the attached Notice of Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Case (the “Notice”) to all then-identified creditors of the Debtor. You were not identified as a creditor as of May 6, 2024, and therefore did not receive a copy of the Notice.

The Notice states that a meeting of creditors is scheduled on June 6, 2024; however the US Trustee has subsequently rescheduled the meeting of creditors for June 27, 2024 at 10:00am, which will be held telephonically. All parties interested in attending that meeting of creditors should contact the Trustee for connection details.”

In the attached Notice, there is a paragraph that states, “Confirmation of a chapter 11 plan may result in a discharge of debts, which may include all or part of your debt. A discharge means that creditors may never try to collect the debt from the debtor except as provided in the plan.”

What does this mean for us who are owed money?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI for all those still waiting for their money to be returned from Rim Rock. On June 8, we received a letter from Smith Kane Holman, LLC, a law firm, I’m guessing represents the camp?

The letter was dated June 5, 2024 and it stated:

“On May 2, 2024, Camp Rim Rock, LLC (“Debtor”) filed a voluntary petition for chapter 11 bankruptcy relief in the US Bankruptcy Count for the Eastern District of PA. You have been listed as a creditor in the Debtor’s bankruptcy case.

On May 6, 2024, the US Trustee issued the attached Notice of Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Case (the “Notice”) to all then-identified creditors of the Debtor. You were not identified as a creditor as of May 6, 2024, and therefore did not receive a copy of the Notice.

The Notice states that a meeting of creditors is scheduled on June 6, 2024; however the US Trustee has subsequently rescheduled the meeting of creditors for June 27, 2024 at 10:00am, which will be held telephonically. All parties interested in attending that meeting of creditors should contact the Trustee for connection details.”

In the attached Notice, there is a paragraph that states, “Confirmation of a chapter 11 plan may result in a discharge of debts, which may include all or part of your debt. A discharge means that creditors may never try to collect the debt from the debtor except as provided in the plan.”

What does this mean for us who are owed money?

In simple terms, you’re likely not getting your money back.

[Anonymous]

I also received the letter and was very confused.

“You have been listed as a creditor in the Debtor’s bankruptcy case.”

Then, “you were not identified as a creditor on May 6, 2024, and therefore did not receive a copy of the Notice.”

But then I received a copy of the notice with the June 5 letter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also received the letter and was very confused.

“You have been listed as a creditor in the Debtor’s bankruptcy case.”

Then, “you were not identified as a creditor on May 6, 2024, and therefore did not receive a copy of the Notice.”

But then I received a copy of the notice with the June 5 letter?

I think it means the parents with unrefunded camp fees were probably not originally identified as creditors, so are receiving a second mailing to creditors.

Probably the first mailing went to the big creditors because there are relatively few of them. Then they had to go through the camp's records to get the little creditor names and addresses. And then did the second mailing.

I once did a student project at a big company and we had reimbursed travel expenses that were promptly paid. About a year later, the company went into bankruptcy restructuring and all the former students received bankruptcy court notifications to register any unpaid claims.

This is kind of normal boilerplate. I agree you might not get much back. It may depend on what types of creditors there are (secured/unsecured).

[Anonymous]

Unpaid families who paid for camp were already identified as creditors under the prior (?) Chapter 11 proceedings. This isn’t the first time this group has had to be identified.

[Anonymous]

This camps sounds like a complete and utter disaster. My kid loves horseback riding and would love to do an overnight riding camp, but there is no way I would enroll her here.

[Anonymous]

Any current campers at Rim Rock? DD returning soon.

[Anonymous]

I just came back to this thread because I was re-reading the same letter from the court mentioned above and wondering what it meant. And I saw Joe's message above talking about how great things are. Yes, covid impacted them but there were also tax issues going back, parents who never got refunds from 2020 and more importantly employees who never got paid over multiple years. Why is it that other camps are not in bankruptcy proceedings after covid?

I am one of the parents who never got a refund, and I know that money is long gone, but MAN does his message make me mad talking about "anonymous comments" like people are slandering them or something? We are out $3000 that he's using to run that camp and doing everything in court not to pay it back -- for YEARS now.

And to those of you defending the camp - yes it may seem great, but just know there is a lot going on behind the scenes. They are not honest people, and I would not send my child to a camp knowing that. Please read this entire thread for more information, or look up the public court documents.

[Anonymous]

You need to file a Proof of Claim

[Anonymous]

https://www.uscourts.gov/forms/bankruptcy-forms/proof-claim-0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I just came back to this thread because I was re-reading the same letter from the court mentioned above and wondering what it meant. And I saw Joe's message above talking about how great things are. Yes, covid impacted them but there were also tax issues going back, parents who never got refunds from 2020 and more importantly employees who never got paid over multiple years. Why is it that other camps are not in bankruptcy proceedings after covid?

I am one of the parents who never got a refund, and I know that money is long gone, but MAN does his message make me mad talking about "anonymous comments" like people are slandering them or something? We are out $3000 that he's using to run that camp and doing everything in court not to pay it back -- for YEARS now.

And to those of you defending the camp - yes it may seem great, but just know there is a lot going on behind the scenes. They are not honest people, and I would not send my child to a camp knowing that. Please read this entire thread for more information, or look up the public court documents.

We are in the same boat, out thousands of dollars since 2020. I have seen pictures that neighbors have posted on social media of their daughters at Rim Rock this past summer. If Joe is now running a functional camp and collecting money from it, why is this still in BK proceedings? This smells so fishy.

[Anonymous]

I just received another notice to approve a bankruptcy plan due in December. How many times have we received these notices? When will I get my check? I am so angry.

And when I looked up this thread to post I saw Joe's message about this summer being the greatest summer ever. He doesn't acknowledge us at all - it's wild that they can just keep operating and acting like nothing happened when we have not been paid. So frustrating!

There are so many good camps, I don't know why anyone would choose this one when they are in the bankruptcy courts. The bankruptcy was not just because of COVID. Lots of other camps are operating normally after COVID and didn't have to enter bankruptcy.

[Anonymous]

Bumping this to warn parents who are thinking about Rim Rock about the financial troubles of the camp. Some families are still out thousands of dollars and have not been paid back. Caveat emptor.

[Anonymous]

I've started posting on their social media. They delete it but at least it's up for a while before they see it.