Is this inappropriate-school district requiring teachers to read White Fragility?

[Anonymous]

I think Raising White Children is a better book and better specifically for teachers.

[Anonymous]

There can be both systematic racism AND personal responsibility for committing crimes, for goodness sakes. No one is saying that someone subject to systemic racism has no choice but to commit crimes. The difference is that if you don't recognize systemic racism, you look at differences in crime rates and decide that black people people must be more prone to crime, whereas if you acknowledge systemic racism you understand that there are broader trends that shape people's lives in different ways and it has nothing to do with black people being inherently violent or crime-prone or otherwise fundamentally different from white people.

wow all that pretzel twisting to say you still believe that the higher crime rate is due to racism

the pure idiocy of that statement boggles my mind even from the typical woke/SJW/left DCUM

No the higher crime rate is due to multiple factors. A couple big ones are

1. A failure to value life and personal responsibility

2. Higher out of wedlock births and an overall lack of positive male role models

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There can be both systematic racism AND personal responsibility for committing crimes, for goodness sakes. No one is saying that someone subject to systemic racism has no choice but to commit crimes. The difference is that if you don't recognize systemic racism, you look at differences in crime rates and decide that black people people must be more prone to crime, whereas if you acknowledge systemic racism you understand that there are broader trends that shape people's lives in different ways and it has nothing to do with black people being inherently violent or crime-prone or otherwise fundamentally different from white people.

wow all that pretzel twisting to say you still believe that the higher crime rate is due to racism

the pure idiocy of that statement boggles my mind even from the typical woke/SJW/left DCUM

No the higher crime rate is due to multiple factors. A couple big ones are

1. A failure to value life and personal responsibility

2. Higher out of wedlock births and an overall lack of positive male role models

Nope. You are drinking the far right Kool aid. Black and Latino fathers are actually MORE involved in their kids’ lives than white fathers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. So much white fragility. AKA snowflakes.

Put on your big girl panties and read the book. You won’t melt.

Why? Because you said so? I make my own reading selections, thank you. And I view this as a boring waste of time.

It’s a shame your students don’t have an intellectually curious teacher. How else are you failing them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The "book" is basically

white people are always racist

black people can't be racist ever

Yep. That is the summary.

Which is a shame. In contrast my organization has had some short Virtual trainings that a corporate diversity trainer does and they are VERY well done. She is relatable, uses more neutral language (everyone needs to “X” vs just “White people need to...”). And definitely comes at it from a sense that seems to convey “hey we are all good faith and nice people here, but sometimes we do some hurtful things accidentally without realizing it. Let me tell you about what some of those are to help make it easier to avoid those unintended slip ups”.

+2 The bolded is basically what my (black) son stated when he handed me (white mom) the book to read. You don't really need to know any more than that. Buy the book, open it a few times and bend some pages so it looks like you've read it, and then nod, nod, nod in meetings where the book is discussed. Say as many mea culpas as appropriate.

I agree with another poster that the backlash from all of this is going to be intense. Not just whites but Hispanics, Asians, Jewish, you name it.

Oh your poor son.

Don't feel sorry for my son, sweetie. He is at a Top 10 university with a 3.95 gpa. He knows BS when he reads it.

If he gave it to you to read, he’s trying to send a message...not subtly, and you aren’t getting it. Poor kid.

He gave it to me to read because we often switch books. He reads a lot of trash and he is never afraid to tell me his opinion when he does. I get that your agenda is to castigate and malign regardless of consequences. I also get that you're feeling insecure and angry so you're lashing out. I think you need to talk to your therapist about it.

Does he have a black parent too? What did that person think about the book?

I am curious about this, too.

Well, his birth parents, each is black, are each in prison so I am sure that they embrace the book wholeheartedly because they never miss an opportunity to be enabled.

Our son is in contact with his black maternal grandmother, however, and she thinks the book is "trash." She has very little tolerance for people with a sense of entitlement and for people who use race as their weapon of choice for taking the easy path. She is an elder in her church and is very well-respected if that matters. I doubt that you care about that.

Just think how racist you are being by presuming that because our son is black that he must think that all white people are racist. Seems like you're the pots calling the kettles...black.

I never said what he must think. I was curious how someone who grew up in a black community might have different perceptions and opinions.

You discussed this particular book with his grandmother? What others books have you discussed with her? Which ones does she like?

Does she believe that systemic racism exists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There can be both systematic racism AND personal responsibility for committing crimes, for goodness sakes. No one is saying that someone subject to systemic racism has no choice but to commit crimes. The difference is that if you don't recognize systemic racism, you look at differences in crime rates and decide that black people people must be more prone to crime, whereas if you acknowledge systemic racism you understand that there are broader trends that shape people's lives in different ways and it has nothing to do with black people being inherently violent or crime-prone or otherwise fundamentally different from white people.

wow all that pretzel twisting to say you still believe that the higher crime rate is due to racism

the pure idiocy of that statement boggles my mind even from the typical woke/SJW/left DCUM

No the higher crime rate is due to multiple factors. A couple big ones are

1. A failure to value life and personal responsibility

2. Higher out of wedlock births and an overall lack of positive male role models

Do you think either of those are caused by external factors - caused by racism?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yall can take this woke/liberal/SJW bs out of here

people seriously blaming away criminal behavior because of racisim

what the actual f

What do you blame it on?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There can be both systematic racism AND personal responsibility for committing crimes, for goodness sakes. No one is saying that someone subject to systemic racism has no choice but to commit crimes. The difference is that if you don't recognize systemic racism, you look at differences in crime rates and decide that black people people must be more prone to crime, whereas if you acknowledge systemic racism you understand that there are broader trends that shape people's lives in different ways and it has nothing to do with black people being inherently violent or crime-prone or otherwise fundamentally different from white people.

wow all that pretzel twisting to say you still believe that the higher crime rate is due to racism

the pure idiocy of that statement boggles my mind even from the typical woke/SJW/left DCUM

No the higher crime rate is due to multiple factors. A couple big ones are

1. A failure to value life and personal responsibility

2. Higher out of wedlock births and an overall lack of positive male role models

Do you think either of those are caused by external factors - caused by racism?

nope cmon seriously lol

Some poor white, black, hispanic, and asian families and kids are still able to beat the odds. Why is that? That's what we should actually care about and should be encouraging. My hunch is it's several factors.

1. A loving caring and supportive intact family unit
2. A commitment to education, hard work, and personal responsibility (and refusing to play the victim, saying everything is racist. and generally making excuses for why things are the way they are instead of actively trying to improve the situation)

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Anonymous wrote:yall can take this woke/liberal/SJW bs out of here

people seriously blaming away criminal behavior because of racisim

what the actual f

What do you blame it on?

2 main reasons

A lack of positive male role models to show there is a way out (combined with too much negative peer pressure and overall peer influence)
A lack of economic opportunities and/or a skills mismatch. Example by all objective measures the DC economy has been great for years. The issue is a skills/education gap

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Anonymous wrote:yall can take this woke/liberal/SJW bs out of here

people seriously blaming away criminal behavior because of racisim

what the actual f

What do you blame it on?

2 main reasons

A lack of positive male role models to show there is a way out (combined with too much negative peer pressure and overall peer influence)
A lack of economic opportunities and/or a skills mismatch. Example by all objective measures the DC economy has been great for years. The issue is a skills/education gap

Why is there a lack of male role models?

Why is there a skill/education gap?

Hint. Underlying racist policies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. So much white fragility. AKA snowflakes.

Put on your big girl panties and read the book. You won’t melt.

Why? Because you said so? I make my own reading selections, thank you. And I view this as a boring waste of time.

It’s a shame your students don’t have an intellectually curious teacher. How else are you failing them?

What makes you think the pp is a teacher?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone freak out so much about being referred to as racist? I'm a white person and I seriously don't get this. There is so much "OMG this book is offensive because it says I'm racist" or "OMG that person suggested that I'm racist just because I'm white, how dare they?"

Seriously, what's the big deal? We all pick up a ton of racism just from living in a society that had racism baked in for centuries, and so virtually all white people are racist to some degree or another. Pointing out that you're probably racist is just saying, "Hey, you're probably contributing in some way to making life harder for people of color, and almost all other white people are too. Can you please pay some attention to how that's happening and try to improve?" It seems like the reaction should be, "Whoa, that sucks for people of color. You're right, it seems important for me to do my best to look out for and improve on the ways I've picked up racism so I cause less harm to people of color."

Where does this "how dare anyone suggest I'm racist?" reaction come from? Why do you care that people think you're racist-- do you think they're accusing you of being a terrible person or part of the KKK or something? What's so controversial about the assertion that all or almost all white people are racist? Do you get this freaked out when people point out other kinds of commonly-held biases in society, like sexism or ableism or the way that people tend to value conventionally attractive people over less attractive people?

(I realize it is ironic to be raising this on this thread because I gather that the book in question would give me some more insight on this question of why y'all are so terrified of/furious about anyone calling you racist, but I am curious to hear it from your own mouths...)

I’m pretty sure this was like all of chapter one of the book since that’s all I managed to read before my library checkout expired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:yall can take this woke/liberal/SJW bs out of here

people seriously blaming away criminal behavior because of racisim

what the actual f

What do you blame it on?

2 main reasons

A lack of positive male role models to show there is a way out (combined with too much negative peer pressure and overall peer influence)
A lack of economic opportunities and/or a skills mismatch. Example by all objective measures the DC economy has been great for years. The issue is a skills/education gap

Why is there a lack of male role models?

Why is there a skill/education gap?

Hint. Underlying racist policies.

no you are a moron

Is there some racist telling people to not focus on school or value education
Is there some racist telling people to do drugs and commit crimes
Is there some racist telling people to have sex and kids out of wedlock
Is there some racist telling men that they don't have to give a f about themselves or their community or taking personal responsibility for anything

No hell no

Get the f out of here idiot

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yall can take this woke/liberal/SJW bs out of here

people seriously blaming away criminal behavior because of racisim

what the actual f

What do you blame it on?

2 main reasons

A lack of positive male role models to show there is a way out (combined with too much negative peer pressure and overall peer influence)
A lack of economic opportunities and/or a skills mismatch. Example by all objective measures the DC economy has been great for years. The issue is a skills/education gap

Why is there a lack of male role models?

Why is there a skill/education gap?

Hint. Underlying racist policies.

no you are a moron

Is there some racist telling people to not focus on school or value education
Is there some racist telling people to do drugs and commit crimes
Is there some racist telling people to have sex and kids out of wedlock
Is there some racist telling men that they don't have to give a f about themselves or their community or taking personal responsibility for anything

No hell no

Get the f out of here idiot

You sound like a 9 year old stop saying “F u”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:yall can take this woke/liberal/SJW bs out of here

people seriously blaming away criminal behavior because of racisim

what the actual f

What do you blame it on?

2 main reasons

A lack of positive male role models to show there is a way out (combined with too much negative peer pressure and overall peer influence)
A lack of economic opportunities and/or a skills mismatch. Example by all objective measures the DC economy has been great for years. The issue is a skills/education gap

Why is there a lack of male role models?

Why is there a skill/education gap?

Hint. Underlying racist policies.

no you are a moron

Is there some racist telling people to not focus on school or value education
Is there some racist telling people to do drugs and commit crimes
Is there some racist telling people to have sex and kids out of wedlock
Is there some racist telling men that they don't have to give a f about themselves or their community or taking personal responsibility for anything

No hell no

Get the f out of here idiot

You sound like a 9 year old stop saying “F u”

stop calling everything racist